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Topic started on 20-11-2008 @ 08:47 AM by sunny_2008ny

Regenerating a Mammoth for $10 Million


www.nytimes.com
Scientists are talking for the first time about the old idea of resurrecting extinct species as if this staple of science fiction is a realistic possibility, saying that a living mammoth could perhaps be regenerated for as little as $10 million.

A woolly mammoth hair ball. Hairs like these were used to sequence the mammoth genome.
The same technology could be applied to any other extinct species from which one can obtain hair, horn, hooves, fur or feathers, and which went extinct within the last 60,000 years, the effective age limit for DNA.

(visit the link for the full news article)



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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 09:21 AM by gordonwest
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Regenerating a Mammoth for $10 Million


I can not wait until they regenerate a T-Rex. You heard of the game where a few hunred people runaway from the few hunred bulls? (I can't remember the name of it) Well...Try running away from a few hunred T-Rexs. What about Raptors? They run faster then the T-Rexs...


reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 09:24 AM by sunny_2008ny
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I think it is more of an attempt at doing the unknown and fascination of seeing an animal before your eyes, that has been extinct for 000s of years. If we succeed then havent we beaten nature? And why would God allow that?



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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 09:24 AM by Sonya610
Did you guys read the article? Yes a mammoth would be fascinating, any extinct species would be. But a Neanderthal would be even MORE fascinating!

The full genome of the Neanderthal, an ancient human species probably driven to extinction by the first modern humans that entered Europe some 45,000 years ago, is expected to be recovered shortly. If the mammoth can be resurrected, the same would be technically possible for Neanderthals.

But the process of genetically engineering a human genome into the Neanderthal version would probably raise many objections, as would several other aspects of such a project. “ Dr. Church said there might be an alternative approach that would “alarm a minimal number of people.” The workaround would be to modify not a human genome but that of the chimpanzee, which is some 98 percent similar to that of people. The chimp’s genome would be progressively modified until close enough to that of Neanderthals, and the embryo brought to term in a chimpanzee.

“The big issue would be whether enough people felt that a chimp-Neanderthal hybrid would be acceptable, and that would be broadly discussed before anyone started to work on it,” Dr. Church said.


I find the idea of it being "wrong" to use human DNA to be amusing.

I am no expert at cloning, but I thought it was a rather brutal process from the standpoint of tryin several times (and thereby creating several fetuses that either die, or are aborted for various reasons). That is why I have always found the idea of cloning deceased companion animals or children to be rather horrendous, if you love them that much who would want to see various versions created only to die in an attempt to get one you will keep?

But regardless, Neanderthals are very very close to humans (they probably interbred with modern humans, but then again rumor has it modern humans may be able to interbreed with chimpanzees). That would be very interesting, and if the modern humans don't want THEIR dna to be used in such a manner they have a heck of a lot of nerve saying it is okay to experiment with Neanderthal DNA. Sounds like a complete disregard for the rights of Neanderthals.


reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 09:28 AM by GoalPoster
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And there'd actually be something semi human that had a hairier back than me.

Amazing!!!!!


reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 09:30 AM by sunny_2008ny
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Modern human cannot interbreed with the chimp, this has already been tried. The chimp's body does not accept that.

However the article mentions progressive development of Neanderthal DNA to ultimately produce a human? What do you mean progressive development? Where would all these intermediate creatures be kept and what would we call them? Neanderthal, Chimps or Humans?

Also remember that Neaderthals and Humans have/had emotions, language capacity, speech etc. If we are able to create Neandertals from chimps where would all these abilities come into them from? From DNA? I quite dont understand it !


reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 09:38 AM by Sonya610
Originally posted by sunny_2008ny
Modern human cannot interbreed with the chimp, this has already been tried. The chimp's body does not accept that.

However the article mentions progressive development of Neanderthal DNA to ultimately produce a human? What do you mean progressive development? Where would all these intermediate creatures be kept and what would we call them? Neanderthal, Chimps or Humans?


I have read the Russians tried to impregnate human females with chimp semen, none of the experiments were successful but not sure if any eggs were fertilized. They were trying to create super human/chimp hybrid soldiers, because chimps have several times the physical strength of humans, however there was a concern over the emotional stability of these super strong hybrids.

But regardless, what part says progressive development of neanderthal dna to produce a human? I thought the goal was to modify human dna to produce a neanderthal (creating another human would not be much of an attraction, we already have 6 billion humans).

Originally posted by sunny_2008ny
Also remember that Neaderthals and Humans have/had emotions, language capacity, speech etc. If we are able to create Neandertals from chimps where would all these abilities come into them from? From DNA? I quite dont understand it !


Well chimps certainly have emotions and the capability to communicate through sign language. The main difference would be the ability to speak, we are unique among primates in that way (but of course many other animals can communicate well verbally amongst themselves). The idea is to modify chimp dna to become more and more similar to neanderthal dna, and then match the modified chimp egg with neanderthal dna to create a nearly pure neanderthal (I think, I am obviously not a geneticist).



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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 09:40 AM by gordonwest
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God allows humans 'free will', so as long that humans to use the free will to do what is right. Beaten nature? I will try and put that in another way...Nature thinks of humans as the same as ants. Nature wouldn't care who is in the way, just aslong the laws in the Universe allows nature to do what ever. Since humans have the ability for 'free will', humans will always try and evolve science in every way. So God wouldn't care, unless if humans step over the line of 'No! Do not past the line of being a idiot'.


reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 09:53 AM by sunny_2008ny
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You put it correctly. After all it is nature that has given us DNA, and has allowed us to modify it. So we cannot beat nature only twist and turn it.

I have read about alien societies in other galaxies that promote cloning on a large scale. They do not have sex So if this mammoth experiment succeeds then with cloning we do not need males to have sex with females to reproduce, we can clone females from females by using female DNA. I shudder to think though what kind of a world it would be with everybody around you being a female!


reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 09:58 AM by Aldolas
Originally posted by GoalPoster
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post by Sonya610




And there'd actually be something semi human that had a hairier back than me.

Amazing!!!!!
:ROFLMAO (second that!)

On a serious note though=> I would want to have a moral discussion about cloning something that could be nearhuman. (I don't like apes, monkeys etc. anyway )
BUT: Seeing a full size living MAMMOTH!? WOW, now THAT's exciting. Make some excuse why it's scientificaly important. Make something up like 'cancer research' people always believe that story. (oops, I'm derailing the thread, sry!)

Samuel


reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 10:05 AM by spitefulgod
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Isnt it fantastic that we can beat nature by reconstructing the mammoth DNA and then putting it into that of an elepahnt egg?


No we didn't beat nature, if it wasn't for Man the Wooly Mammoth would still be roaming the earth. Unfortunately I believe the DNA will be too far gone to recreate a mammoth you'd just end up with some naff Mammoth/Elephant hybrid. And on top of that you'd get a bunch of sickos who would want to taste hybrid mammoth meat and shoot them in the face in the name of "Sport"
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