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Topic started on 20-11-2008 @ 05:23 AM by ROO-meh

Studios sue iiNet over video piracy


www.zdnet.com.au
iiNet was today dragged into the federal court as major film studios filed a case against the ISP for allegedly letting its users download pirated movies and television series.

According to the Australian Federation Against Copyright Theft, speaking on behalf of Village Roadshow, Universal Pictures, Warner Bros Entertainment, Paramount Pictures, Sony Pictures Entertainment, Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation, Disney Enterprises, Inc and the Seven Network, thousands cases of pirated movies and television shows have passed through iiNet tubes without iiNet doing anything about it
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 05:48 AM by RedGolem
reply to post by ROO-meh



I think that's exactly what it means. Tptb will be deciding what can be put through the web. I think at a point we will see the same thing happen with movies that happened with the music industry. The entire idea behind it is to keep the rich getting richer and the poor to stay there.



reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 06:03 AM by camain
I disagree. Basically this means that the ISP was grossly negligent in trying to track down the offenders that the ISP was notified of from the movie studio's. Because they didn't track down, turn off, turn over, and educate the customer that was illegally downloading stuff, they are liable.

Thats the premise of the case anyway. This will get settled out of court with the ISP agreeing to implement policy changes to expediate any cases related to copyright infringement. Once they make the changes, the Studios will settle, and move on. They don't want to own ISP's and they don't want to shut them down. They just want to stop people from illegally downloading.

I used to work for an ISP. One of my responsibilites was tracking down people for our abuse department. I would catch the person, then hand the act info over to our abuse, which would then shut them off, and turn the info over to the studios.

As far as someone posting, that they will start implementing filtering? Got news for you, its already happening. Almost all large ISP's in the U.S. have filtering implemented. The filtering is port based on the routers. Alot of the cable ISP's have servers to monitor things as well. Here's a clue for you.

If you are on Time Warner, Go to Internet Explorer, and type in:

asjdfhkasjfhlkasjdg into the address bar. Then read what comes up. There not the only one that have servers that filter your net, All of the vendors do it to one form or another. True, it doesn't say that its filtered, but when there server is the go between me and the internet, the ability exists

What something else to read, look up "sandvine"

Bottom line, this ISP was negligent, otherwise they wouldn't be getting sued. I think it will get settled out of court.

Cheers,

Camain


reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 09:38 AM by Darthorious
Ya the ISP's most of them already track you and here's a prime example.

My sister-in-law was downloading music on napster back in the day.

I told my brother 3 months before any news hist the TV or internet that there was a tracking underway and people were going to get singled out and sued for downloading music.

I then told my brother how they were doing it and if at all possible just don't download music for now. He laughed and said he was only into porn and games.

I then said "tell your wife, she may have a law degree but when it comes to computers, she's pretty stupid."

He told his wife the next day.

3 months later they went after Napster and after individuals allowing uploads.

They then started using Kazza just to be on the safe side plus it was much better. I again warned my brother and his wife and told them if they must here's how to avoid it. I knew my brother didn't mess with music but like I said his wife is pretty stupid.

A year later my brother gets a letter in the mail telling him that they may be prosecuted for piracy and intent to distribute copyrighted music.

My brother thought it was a mistake untill he talked to his wife. Did I mention she's stupid.

His wife then admitted to my sister she had been downloading music the whole time. I then asked to see the music as I wanted to know how much she had downloaded.

She had a suitcase filled with DVD's and CD's I counted 600 CD/DVD's every one was filled to max with MP3's I about fell over dead.

She then called and claimed ignorance and started citing off a bunch of laws and cases so they just told her don't do it again.

She also found out the ISP handed all the info of every song she had downloaded to them.

I still can't believe she's not in jail. How in the heck do you listen to that many songs? She's too stupid to know how to distribute so I know she just kept them all, but then again her father use to go in the theater with his camcorder mounted on his shoulder and recorded every movie they saw back in the 70's and 80's.


reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 07:07 PM by camain
reply to post by Darthorious



Your about half right in your information.

This is how they catch you. Whenever you connect to p2p, you are connecting to the IP's of other people that have p2p. This being said. The Movie and music industry hirer tech companies to attempt to upload, or download from other parties. While downloading, they put a packet sniffer on there connection. This packet sniffer monitors all the traffic over there connection, not yours. This being said. Your IP is sending traffic over there connection to there computer to relay the data(ie song/movie) The IP is encapsulated with every piece of the data that you are sending. Once they finish the download/upload from you. They verify that it is infact a copyrighted material, and then go on to hand that IP over to the person that hired them.

*Side note, If you share your folder that they the song is in, that means they can now view EVERYTHING that is in that folder. You just gave them permission to look at every song you ever downloaded, that you kept in that folder.*

The people that hired them, then look up the IP address. The IP address itself is part of a block of IP's that are owned by a specific ISP. They then send a certified letter requesting that the ISP track down and hold data related to that IP.

The IP does a search of the network. In DSL and cable modems. you public IP goes back to your Nic Mac address. The Nic mac address goes back to your modem, your modem is tied to your acct. your acct has all your contact info.

Once the modem is located they then copy all DHCP logs showing that you were given the IP during that time frame, then the copy the ARP entries tieing the modem to the nic, and the nic to the IP.

If the ISP does there job correctly and in a timely manner, you are NAILED. there is no way to fight it. You as the act holder for the ISP are legally responsible for everything that happens on the connection.

In the case above, they didn't have all the songs she had ever downloaded they had 1 or 2 songs. That though is enough to justify a search warrant. If the did that they could scan your computer hard drive and do a bit by bit recovery of everything that has been on your hard drive that wasn't copied over. Once this is done, instead of 1-2 songs, you are now on the hook for 100 - 200 songs, all of which you can be fined up to 250,000 each. Walla they own you now.

Now before I go on, you may ask what incentive does the ISP's have to catch these people, obviously this costs money and man power. The answer, is Yes and yes. It does cost both of the above. With that said though, 90% of the bandwidth is consumed by 10% of the population. With the isp that I worked for, they spent ruffly 30% of the actual cost of the service on bandwidth. here is an example breakdown.

internet at $45 a month, they spend ruffly $13.5 to provide the bandwidth. No imagine this if that 10% that consumed 90% of the bandwidth were kicked off, they could do 2 things, 1 lower the cost per user, and 2 increase the number of users per bandwidth. Instead of having 100 users @ 45 a month, they could now have 10,000 users @ 40 or even 35. The profit margin is incrediable.

The ISP's have every reason to get the heavy users off there connection, thats why they do it. It saves them money by not having to increase bandwidth to get more users on the connection. It a partnership, the ISP's make the studios look like asses, the studios make people fear them to stop downloading illegally, these people inturn, go to tv to get there jollies, which inturn the studios get kick backs for everything played. They make money, the tv provider(which if you have cable is the same as the ISP) makes more money, they reduce the amount of bandwidth hogs, and increase profit margins. Mo money, mo money, mo money. Thats what it comes down too.

You want my advice, instead of P2P use newsgroups. They aren't tracked, they are private, and you have to have an act to login to download. no one has ever gotten sued from newsgroups, only p2p.

Cheers,

Camain
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