1. They havent been attacking Pakistan, they have been attacking militants.
There's a big difference, especially when the Pakistani government are discussing terms with the US, and the US is providing AID.

2. The US and Russia stopped fighting some 30yrs ago, this is nothing in comparison to the criminal actions of Israel and the US

3. Nuclear weapons to garner fear, but they force nations to listen, instead of bully. Which is exactly a lesson the US needs to learn.

4. It remains a strategic interest yes,
We've already taken Iraq, because they DIDNT have nukes. and the whole reason we're discussing this is because they want Iran, but Iran are going to get nuclear weapons first.

They want weapons, to make sure the US doesnt steal their country!

ALL Iranian nuclear power industry is Funded by, Supervised by and controlled to a large extent by Russia - with whom Iran has a mutual defense Pact...

People forget this fact. They shouldn't.

Attacking Iran to 'take out' their ONE nuke would be regarded as an attack on Russian Interests.

In fact, One could not destroy the Bushehr Reactor without killing the several dozen Russian Citizens working there.





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Sorry, but a little comic relief...

"US: Senior Iranian Commando Arrested in Iraq" As quoted as a news title...

I just imagined "I'm here to kick ass and chew bubble gum... once I put my dentures in" being said by an old man in camouflage.



... so anyways.
Iran isn't a threat, plain and simple. They aren't going to launch any attack unless someone hits them first. Last battle they were in was to defend themselves against Saddam Hussein's army... did they counter attack into Iraq? Nope.

When was the last time they attacked anyone outside their borders?
Back during the days of the old empires.


What can they do with low-refined nuclear material?
Well they certainly can't make an atomic bomb with it, you need 95% enriched uranium for that... all you can do with the uranium they have is run a power plant... exactly what they've been saying they want it for.

... well... they're not a threat unless you think they can drop a power plant on you...


All this is, is the US government wanting another war. They need to justify a war, otherwise the public would refuse to support it.
Why do they want war? Well... if you haven't figured that one out by now, you need to read more. Almost every person in power in the White House has some pretty severe investments into Arms Manufacturing, Military Equipment Manufacturing, and, well, Oil.

What makes these people A LOT of money?
War.

It doesn't matter to them who it is, just as long as they have oil, and an army to throw theirs at, they don't care.
The tricky bit is trying to convince the people that it's for a morally decent reason.

Kinda hard when we know the only reasons exist in their pocket books.

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Really...Iran won't use a nuclear weapon unless attacked...I guess you don't pay attention to what the Iranian government says. They have clearly stated their intentions to destroy Isreal the first chance they get.

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I think you need to go back and do some more research and stop watching the MSM Israel is the one who wants to wipe Iran off the face of the Earth

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"they have clearly stated their intentions to destroy Isreal the first chance they get. "

You are repeating a statement that has already proven to have never been made.

If Iran attacks Israel the ramifications will be very bad for the entire world, god forbid if it is a nuclear attack then the conventional battle may rage on for years

Then the US will inviade Iran, send troops there and put the American tax payers money again on dangerous grounds !

As if already we didnt have Afghanistan and Iraq !

reply to post by sunny_2008ny

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Iran hasn't invaded or attacked anyone in 200 years.

You conveniently forgot to mention this fact.

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Can't you read and judge yourself? LOW ENRICHED uranium the IAEA says. That cannot be used for an atomic bomb. Stop taking everything for granted.

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Don't shoot the messenger.

Speaking of the IAEA:

El Baradei: Iran could make a nuclear weapon in 6 months


(yalibnan.com)

They aren't exactly averse to a bit of scaremongering, either.

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www.google.com...

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Here is an interesting link

Iran plans to knock out U.S. with 1 nuclear bomb

reply to post by sunny_2008ny

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I am compelled to ask you this question:

Are you actually afraid of being killed by an Iranian nuke?

Do you know about the isotope that is in the Uranium in that Region and how it renders it incapable of releasing the energy required for a nuclear blast?

*It can still be used for power generation, the problematic isotope does not affect this.

...And shouldn't you be more afraid of being nuked by Russia after You or your Ally (Israel) attacks the Russian reactor in Iran?

MAD You've forgotten what that means...

Any attack on Iran is a de facto attack on Russia due to their Mutual Defense Pact with the Iranian State(and whose citizens staff the Iranian Reactor).


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I agree that Russian-Iran relations are very friendly. But I dont really see iran being capable of causing any damage to the US hinterland. As for attacking Iran, Israel would make the first move, if any.

I understand your uranium point well though

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So why are you fear-mongering?

You sound like a Fox News repeater, parroting Government talking points almost verbatim.

*Should Iran ever acquire nukes, they will be Russian and will be arrayed in such a way as to allow Iran to have the strategic assurance of mutually assured destruction.

But they don't need nukes, Iran already has a Fifth Generation Biological and Chemical Weapons deterrent system - on par with America's capabilities.
They also have the submarines to deploy them.

I Hope the stupid Americans or paranoid Israelis don't try to 'preemptively' strike Iran. The ensuing conflagration would surely kill most of us... except for the Elite living in their bunkers awaiting the day when they can emerge back into the world - cleansed of the 'useless eaters'

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I liked your comment about being a Fox news reporter !

I am not taking sides with America, it is just that US and Israel have the habit of blowing things beyond proportion with their propoganda.

You are right, not only does Iran have WMD deterrance, THEY HAVE WMD!

US might attack Iran if it passes on WMD to Al Qaeda

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How ironic that one can imagine that they could gain freedom, in a land so distant from Iran, by destroying its people and contaminating the Middle East with the atomic fallout. This points to the ultimate us and them separation which is exactly why human beings are so easily manipulated by their serpent "leaders" - who do not suffer from racism or patriotism, which is to their advantage.

Low-enriched uranium is only suitable for power generation by the way.

The Israeli Zionists wish to own the land which they claim Yahweh stated was their entitlement back in the days before Moses. No one points out however that the majority of those jews who came from Europe never had ancestors that laid a foot in the Middle East, let alone Palestine itself. Their forebears were made to convert in 742 AD and lived in the region where Georgia is today...thus the chummy relationship current between Israel and Georgia.

One has to be really naive to think that Pakistan just sits there like a lame duck being pounded by US drones everyday.

Since 2001 for 8 years Taliban have been fighting and for some reason they keep getting stronger/well funded and plenty of 'trained' new recruits.Where does it all come from??

For every strike that takes place in Pakistan,US/NATO soldiers pay the price for it being blown up with IEDS in afghanistan.

Sorry OP for going off the topic.

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"US might attack Iran if it passes on WMD to Al Qaeda "

You are feigning ignorance.

Iran is currently being subjected to terrorist attacks by Al Queda - which has already been exposed as a C.I.A. Front, the purpose for which it was created.

So why would Iran give weapons to the American Terrorist Group that has been attacking and killing their civilians?

*As I said before, You sound like a Fox News Repeater.

Would this be the development that would create the crisis that Sen. Biden was referring when he said that Obama would be tested in his first 6 months?

Could it be that they know that Israel is ready to attack Iran?

HMMMMMMMMMmmmmmm.


Only time would tell...