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What do you think of the Senate and Congressional Retirement Package?




Topic started on 19-11-2008 @ 03:55 PM by ofhumandescent



Our Senators and Congresswomen DO NOT pay into Social Security and, of course, they do not collect from it.

You see, Social Security benefits were not suitable for persons of their rare elevation in society. They felt they should have a special plan for themselves. So, many years ago they voted in their own benefit plan. In more recent years, no congressperson has felt the need to change it. After all, it is a great plan (This year they voted themselves a payraise of $5400.00)

For all practical purposes their plan works like this:

When they retire, they continue to draw the same pay until they die. Except it may increase from time to time for cost of living adjustments..

For example, Senator Byrd and Congressman White and their wives may expect to draw $7,800,000.00 (that's Seven Million, Eight-Hundred Thousand Dollars), with their wives drawing $275, 000.00 during the last years of their lives.

This is calculated on an average life span for each of those two Dignitaries. Younger Dignitaries who retire at an early age, will receive much more during the rest of their lives.

Their cost for this excellent plan is $0.00. NADA..! ZILCH...

This little perk they voted for themselves is free to them. You and I pick up the tab for this plan. The funds for this fine retirement plan come directly from the General Funds;

"OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK "!

From our own Social Security Plan, which you and I pay (or have paid) into, every payday until we retire (which amount is matched by our employer). We can expect to get an average of $1,000 per month after retirement.

Or, in other words, we would have to collect our average of $1,000 monthly benefits for another 68 years and one (1) month to equal Senator Bill Bradley's benefits

Social Security could be very good if only one small change were made. That change would be to:

Jerk the Golden Fleece Retirement Plan from under the Senators and Congressmen. Put them into the Social Security plan with the rest of us

Then sit back.....And see how fast they would fix it. stories-that-need-to-be-told.blogspot.com...



Must be nice? Most of us "common folk" will have to work until we drop.

Do you think this is fair? I don't. What's more I'm mad as hell, these Senators and Congressional "Leaders" get really good free medical care.

Did you get a $5,400. pay raise this year? I didn't yet my work load increased.

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reply posted on 19-11-2008 @ 04:04 PM by Montana


I don't have a problem with private retirement plans, quite a few people have one. They are all privately funded by contributions from the workers and the employers, though.

I don't mind that the elected representatives of the USA have private retirement plan at all. I DO mind that they don't have to contribute enough to pay for themselves! And I feel quite strongly that they should have to be a member of congress for as long a period as we have to work at our careers in order to qualify for the benefit. Most places that's at least 30 years.



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reply posted on 21-12-2008 @ 12:30 PM by ofhumandescent


Congress Gives Itself A Pay Raise - WHAT THE F**K??!!

In lew of the 700 Billion dollar sell out of the United States Constitution you would think that Congress would be a little more concerned about money being spent that is literally stolen from the American Citizen but hell no! These IDIOTS decide to give themselves a raise! I can not think of one thing in the past weeks that has pissed me off more than hearing of this absolute BS!

I’LL BE COVERING THIS ISSUE ON OVERNIGHT AM TONIGHT - OPEN LINES!!!

A crumbling economy, more than 2 million constituents who have lost their jobs this year, and congressional demands of CEOs to work for free did not convince lawmakers to freeze their own pay.

Instead, they will get a $4,700 pay increase, amounting to an additional $2.5 million that taxpayers will spend on congressional salaries, and watchdog groups are not happy about it.

“As lawmakers make a big show of forcing auto executives to accept just $1 a year in salary, they are quietly raiding the vault for their own personal gain,” said Daniel O’Connell, chairman of The Senior Citizens League (TSCL), a non-partisan group. “This money would be much better spent helping the millions of seniors who are living below the poverty line and struggling to keep their heat on this winter.”

However, at 2.8 percent, the automatic raise that lawmakers receive is only half as large as the 2009 cost of living adjustment of Social Security recipients.

Still, Steve Ellis, vice president of the budget watchdog Taxpayers for Common Sense, said Congress should have taken the rare step of freezing its pay, as lawmakers did in 2000.

“Look at the way the economy is and how most people aren’t counting on a holiday bonus or a pay raise — they’re just happy to have gainful employment,” said Ellis. “But you have the lawmakers who are set up and ready to get their next installment of a pay raise and go happily along their way.”

www.lanlamphere.com...

Yet, with all the millions of Americans with no health care, no jobs, no homes still the people placidly do not take to the streets and DEMAND our government start to work for them.

Don't care. Maybe you will once this affects you or your family.



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reply posted on 3-2-2009 @ 04:38 AM by ofhumandescent


The majority of people just don't care or their being kept too busy to examine the many injustices that our governments are perpetrating on us.

Our American Government is suppose to be working for us not vice versa and people just don't care that they don't have the same health benefits as our Senate and House Leaders.

They don't care that they don't have pension programs like these fat Washington Cats that are feeding off of us.

They don't care (until it affects them and their family) that American jobs are being handed to foreigners and outsourced to foreign soil to folks that didn't even elect these people or pay their salaries.

Our political leaders are suppose to be working for us the American People not against us. But, they like our last President was a Corporate Yes Man and that folks is what has gotten us into trouble, that and our apathy towards our fellow man, our "this won't happen to me attitude" well, if it can happen to John it can happen to you.

Apathy towards everyone else but ones self eventually leads to what we are now seeing. Massive lay offs, no jobs, home foreclosures, and the rich getting richer off the backs of the common man because he / she is too lazy, too busy or too stubborn to see the axe coming down.

It is so disturbing to see people kissing the hand that is slapping them and their too stupid to see it. They don't care.

Maybe the American People will start to care when we are all living in grass huts and the Bush's have acquired another six vacation homes.

Then, it will be too late.



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reply posted on 5-2-2009 @ 06:00 AM by St Udio


Obama would do well to include the future Congressional retirees in his
NO Golden Parachutes action being imposed on the financial
institutions/banks which accept Any new 'Bailout' money.



Obama wants to change the corporate climate/ corporate culture by limiting the payrolls and the compensation packages of the Top Level Execs to a maximum of $500,000. yr
(this equates to 'Deflation' in wage/income)


The continued downturn of the economy will also result in the decrease
of Pension Fund worth, and an adjustment downward in retirement checks ammount the rest of us will receive in the future.

With the economy, pensions, wages, All in a deflationary spiral...

& with a more than likely reduction of Medicare and Social Security
benefits to be announced this year (2009)....

I suggest: The Congess & Senate
should be the first-in-line to voluntarily reduce the Golden Parachutes they have bestowed on themselves,,,
To also cut back the Carte' Blanch Medical Entitlements they have also bestowed on their Regal selves.


--let them voluntarily, or by Executive Order, recieve retirement benefits equal to the SocialSecurity package divvied out to the rest of us & let their medical packages equal to Medicare/Midicaid...
or the private medical care coverage that the unions negotiated for (lets say) the Autoworkers or the Postal Employees....


these actions should include the office of Pres. & VP, and all the Federal Judges too....
the whole of all government branches!!



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reply posted on 5-2-2009 @ 06:45 AM by St Udio


here's a follow up, which is related to the thread topic...


here in Horry county, SC... because of budget limitations & the decline of
operating revenues from a declining tax resource and declining home
property taxes received... Horry County has instituted a 2% cut in pay
for county employees.

A few elected officials are joining in the cause...


By Laura Thomas - bio | email

HORRY COUNTY, SC (WMBF) - Horry County has cut the pay for all of it's nearly 2,000 employees by a little more than 2 percent.

Elected county officials don't have to to take this pay cut. However, many WMBF News spoke with are taking it, like County Coroner Robert Edge.

"We are county employees just like everybody else, with the exception that we're elected," said Edge. "I don't have any problem taking the 2 percent."





Well, at least one elected person... the county Coroner is volunteering
to reduce his/their county pay by the general 2% that everyone else is mandated to lose.

hmmmm

i havn't heard of a ground swell movement by any other elected officials to reduce their take-home pay.. I know that months ago my ballot has over 30 positions which were elected... & at least 1/2 were county positions
not State positions...
But, since the state is also in dire straights and needing the $9billion
the federal government plans to send the state when Obamas' stimulus and reinvestment bill passes the house/senate....
that the State elected officials will be asked to do-their-part in
rolling back their recent compensation increases too



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reply posted on 5-2-2009 @ 06:55 AM by jjkenobi


Yes the double standard in DC is ridiculous. Do you know it's also illegal to have unions there in DC? Politicians said it might impede work getting done. Well no crap! But they want unions everywhere else!



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reply posted on 6-2-2009 @ 02:27 AM by ofhumandescent


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Yet, with all the millions of Americans with no health care, no jobs, no homes still the people placidly do not take to the streets and DEMAND our government start to work for them.

Don't care. Maybe you will once this affects you or your family.



Friday’s Labor Department report, revealing that US payrolls were cut by 80,000 jobs in March and that 232,000 jobs have been lost in the past three months, can only mean new levels of social misery and raises the specter of a severe economic slump, perhaps the deepest since the Great Depression of the 1930s.

The March decline in jobs is the largest in five years. The number of private sector jobs has dropped by 300,000 since November 2007.

Millions of Americans face the prospect of a sharp decline in living standards and conditions of life. Because of their commitment to the profit system, no section of the US political establishment—neither the Bush administration and the McCain campaign nor the Clinton and Obama camps—is capable of proposing any measures that will materially assist those seeing their jobs, homes nor social benefits disappear or devastated by the present developments.

The figures contained in the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) survey are bleak. The number of those officially counted as jobless rose by 434,000 in March to 7.8 million. The unemployment rate rose from 4.8 to 5.1 percent (the highest since the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina in September 2005). In the past 12 months, 1.1 million people have been added to the jobless rolls and the official jobless rate has climbed by 0.7 percent.

The number of people unemployed because they lost jobs climbed to 4.2 million; that figure has grown by almost one million in a year.

www.globalresearch.ca...



This is what happens when people vote Republican and Corporations instead of people are allowed to rule

The trickle down theory does not work people and we're all in this mess because of the moron we had for president for eight years.

Bush Jr. bankrupted the two companies his daddy bought him and he's now bankrupted our country.

Thank you to everyone who voted for this moron and now you expect Obama to clean up the mess and take paycuts.

Why didn't the people demand this of Bush and his 500 days of vacation during his presidency (we paid for).

The Republicans are still playing games in DC.



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reply posted on 6-2-2009 @ 02:50 AM by Mercenary2007


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This is what happens when people vote Republican and Corporations instead of people are allowed to rule

The trickle down theory does not work people and we're all in this mess because of the moron we had for president for eight years.

Bush Jr. bankrupted the two companies his daddy bought him and he's now bankrupted our country.

Thank you to everyone who voted for this moron and now you expect Obama to clean up the mess and take paycuts.

Why didn't the people demand this of Bush and his 500 days of vacation during his presidency (we paid for).

The Republicans are still playing games in DC.


Wrong this is what happened when blind dumb americans keep voting to send the same members of congress back to washington.

people want change, they want this economic mess fixed, the want the government to work for them, they want this they want that etc etc etc. THEN QUIT VOTING FOR THE SAME WORTHLESS PIECES OF TRASH THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN CONGRESS!!!!!

I didn't agree with Bush's policies But he did not create this current mess, he really did inherit it, from Clinton, his daddy, reagan, Carter and the list keeps going.

Yes he didn't do anything to try and stop it until it was to late. But placing the blame just on him is wrong.

people want change, you want this BS Senate and Congressional Retirement Package to go away. vote them out of office.

then elect new members of congress. Impose term limits on them. they can't serve more than 2 terms in any elected branch of federal government. and if they are elected to the house or senate they cannot run for president!

People want change But all i see is people sitting around complaining and pointing fingers at the wrong people. If the people here in the U.S. want change then they need to make change happen because it won't happen if you leave it to the government to change for you.

Edit to add: and the dems have had control of both houses of congress for how long now? they are the ones that are doing the most damage not the republicans. take the blinders off my friend.

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reply posted on 2-3-2009 @ 05:50 AM by ofhumandescent


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www.cedarcomm.com...

Since 1938 the Democrats have held the White house for 35 years, the Republicans for 36. Over that time the national debt has increased at an average annual rate of 8.5%. In years Democrats were in the White House there was an average increase of 8.3%. In years the Republicans ran the White House the debt increased an average 9.2% per year. Those averages aren’t that far apart, but they do show a bias toward more borrowing by Republicans than Democrats even including World War II.

If you look at the 60+ year record of debt since the end of WWII, starting with Truman’s term, the difference between the two parties’ contributions to our national debt level change considerably. Since 1946, Democratic presidents increased the national debt an average of only 3.2% per year. The Republican presidents stay at an average increase of 9.2% per year. Republican Presidents out borrowed and spent Democratic presidents by a three to one ratio. Putting that in very real terms; for every dollar a Democratic president has raised the national debt in the past 63 years Republican presidents have raised the debt by $2.84[5].


Prior to the Neo-Conservative takeover of the Republican Party there was not much difference between the two parties’ debt philosophy. They both worked together to minimize it. However the debt has been on a steady incline ever since the Reagan presidency. The only exception to the steep increase over the last 30 years was during the Clinton presidency, when he brought spending under control and the debt growth down to almost zero.

Comparing the borrowing habits of the two parties since 1981, when the Neo-Conservative movement really took hold and government spending raced out of control, it is extremely obvious that the big spenders in Washington are Republicans and their party’s presidents. The only Democratic president since then, Mr. Clinton raised the national debt an average of 4.3% per year. The Republican presidents (Reagan, Bush, and Bush II) raised the debt an average of 10.8% per year. That is, for every dollar a Democratic President has raised the national debt in the past 30 years, Republican presidents have raised the debt by $2.52[6]. Any way you look at it Neo-Conservative Republican presidents cannot or will not control government spending.




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reply posted on 2-3-2009 @ 05:52 AM by ofhumandescent


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For the first eighteen years after WW II, Truman (1945-53), Eisenhower (1953-61) and Kennedy (1961-63) all worked vigorously to keep spending under control. Of the seven years Truman was in office, the national debt came down in four. In 1946 & 7, with a Republican Congress for his first two years in office he brought down spending. The following year, with a Democratic Congress he reduced what was commonly called the “War Debt” again. Two of the eight years Eisenhower served as President saw debt reduction during the years when Democrats were in charge of Congress, 1956 & 7. Kennedy reduced the debt by over 4% his first year in office, 1961, then it went up slightly his next two years. JFK was dealing with a Democratically controlled House and Senate when he managed to reduce the debt.

Since 1961 the United States national debt has never gone down.

It is interesting to note who controlled Congress versus what party was in the presidency during the seven years that the debt was reduced throughout the terms of Truman, Eisenhower and Kennedy. Three times the Democratic Party controlled both Houses of Congress and the Presidency (1948, 1951 & 1961). The other four years all had a mix of control, with Republicans in the White House (1956 & 1957), in charge of Congress (1946 & 1947), but never both. At no time since 1945 when Republicans have been in total charge of both elected branches of government have they ever reduced spending. They talk about it a lot, but they never deliver.

While the debt did go up every year during Johnson’s time in office (1963-69), he was the last president before Clinton to submit a balanced budget, and Johnson did this during a time of a very hot Cold War. Johnson’s average was a debt increase of 3% for the six years he served. He had a Democratic Congress to work with all his years in office.

Even Nixon (President from 1969 to 1974, when he resigned in disgrace) only had one year when he raised the debt more than 6%, 1971. His average was 5% for the six years he was in office. Between uncontrolled inflation and Ford’s conservative bend the debt increased 17% his first full year in office (1975), and 13% his second (1976). Ford’s plan to impose a policy of price controls failed to bring government overspending and inflation under control. Both these Presidents faced an opposition Congress controlled by Democrats during their time in office.

Starting in 1977 President Carter tried to control government spending even during inflationary times. The national debt increased an average of 9% per year while he was in office, and his policies eventually brought inflation under control with the help of a semi-cooperative Democratic Congress. He was thrown out of office after one term for making and implementing the hard decisions required to cut spending and deal with the energy crisis. (Had we followed his policies all these years we would not be dependant on foreign oil as we are now under Republican leadership.)

As President Reagan entered office in 1981 he repeatedly called for a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution, yet never submitted a balanced budget himself[7]. Many on the right reflexively blame the Democratically controlled Congress for the “big spending” during his administration, even though Republicans controlled the Senate for the first six years of his two terms. Only during the last two years of the Reagan administration was the Congress completely controlled by Democrats, and the records show that the growth of the debt slowed during this period. It appears that the frequently referenced Reagan’s Conservative mythology is contrary to the truth, he was an award winning, record setting liberal spender and government grower.

The fact is that Reagan was able to push his tax cuts through both Houses of Congress, but he never pushed through any reduced spending programs. His weak leadership in this area makes him directly responsible for the unprecedented rise in borrowing during his time in office, an average of 13.8% per year. The increase in total debt during Reagan’s two terms was larger than all the debt accumulated by all the presidents before him combined. From 1983 through 1985, with a Republican Senate, the debt was increasing at over 17% per year. While Mr. Reagan was in office this nation’s debt went from just under 1 trillion dollars to over 2.6 trillion dollars, a 200% increase. The sad part about this increase is that it was not to educate our children, or to improve our infrastructure, or to help the poor, or even to finance a war. Reagan’s enormous increase in the national debt was not to pay for any noble cause at all; his primary unapologetic goal was to pad the pockets of the rich. The huge national debt we have today is a living legacy to his failed Neo-Conservative economic policies. Reagan’s legacy is a heavy financial weight that continues to apply an unrelenting drag on this nation’s economic resources.

George Bush Sr. meekly followed in Reagan’s shadow after his election in 1988, by increasing the debt on average a mere 11.8% a year during his four years as President. In his last year in office he quite responsibly worked with Democrats to raise taxes to help reduce the massive yearly increases in the national debt. This bipartisan plan got the growth down to under 11% in 1992, but it was too little too late and didn’t make much difference in the overall trend. The Neo-Conservatives controlling the Republican Party rewarded him for putting the nation’s future above his party’s ideology by throwing him out of office even though it had hardly been a year since he was credited with winning the Gulf War.

In 1993 President Clinton inherited the deficit spending problem and did more than just talk about it; he fixed it. In his first two years, with a cooperative Democratic Congress, he set the course for the best economy this country has ever experienced. Then he worked with what could be characterized as the most hostile Congress in history, led by Republicans for the last six years of his administration. Yet, under constant personal attacks from the right, he still managed to get the growth of the debt down to 0.32% (one third of one percent) his last year in office. Had his policies been followed for one more year the debt would have been reduced for the first time since the Kennedy administration. Contrary to the myth fostered by our right-wing friends, under a Democrat, revenue increased and spending decreased.




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reply posted on 2-3-2009 @ 05:55 AM by ofhumandescent


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When President Bush II came into office in 2001 he quickly turned all that progress around. With the help of a Republican controlled Congress he immediately gave a massive tax cut based on a failed economic policy; perhaps an economic fantasy describes it better. The last year Mr. Clinton was in office the nation borrowed 18 billion dollars. The first year Mr. Bush II was in office he had to borrow 133 billion[8]. The first tax cut Bush pushed through a willing Republican Congress caused an upswing in government borrowing that was supposed to stimulate the economy, but two years later Bush had to push through yet another tax cut. The second tax cut was needed because it was clear that the first one did not work. Economic history tells us the second did not work either. As a result of all his tax cutting with no cutting in spending, in 2003 President Bush set a record for the biggest single yearly dollar increase in debt in the nation’s history. He did it again in 2004, increasing the debt more than half a trillion dollars. Since 2003 total borrowing has typically been around $500,000,000,000 per year. Even Mr. Reagan never increased the debt that much in a single year; Mr. Reagan’s biggest increase was only 282 billion, half of GWB’s outrageous spending. As a result of the fact that the debt was already pretty high when Bush II entered office, his annual rate of increase is only averaging 7% per year so far. In 2006 he was holding press conferences bragging that the debt was increasing at the rate of only 300 billion dollars a year, yet in reality it was twice that. Again the facts do not match Neo-Con rhetoric.

Of course 7% growth is a misleading figure as it does not make clear that by so drastically increasing the total debt, the amount of the annual US budget dedicated to service the debt has grown to almost 10%. Thanks to misguided Neo-Con ideological thinking, over a tenth of our budget does nothing to contribute to the growth or health of the nation. If interest rates go up our country will be in real trouble.

It does not matter if you call it a war or an occupation, supporting Iraq is expensive. It just boggles the imagination of any fiscally responsible person that the Republican Congress and President have repeatedly cut taxes during this overly aggressive and very expensive era for our military. The nation is borrowing money so that we can spend more on our military than all the other nations on Earth combined, and still the Neo-Cons are calling for even more tax cuts and even more military spending.

Mr. Bush is constantly claiming that the economy is great! What he leaves out is that he is buying that simulated good economy with his borrowed dollars; it is a false economy that is starting to crash. Recent bank and insurance company failures are proving that this federal borrowing can not go on forever, but what is the answer we are being given to this problem – borrow more money to cover the bad debt already out there! If a Democrat was suggesting this course of action you can bet a bevy of Republicans would be screaming in unison that Congress is Socializing Wall Street.

History has shown that the “trickle down theory” does not work. Republican President Hoover tried the “trickle down” theory (his words) to solve economic problems during the last few years of his only term, when the greatest economic depression this country has ever faced began. It is often called the Republican Depression because it was their financial philosophy that led to the collapse of the economy. Tax cuts for the rich did not work and things got worse. (We are seeing the same problem repeat itself encouraged by the deregulation of the financial industry.)

President Roosevelt got into office, raised taxes on the rich, created jobs for the poor and turned things around. Mr. Reagan employed Hoover’s failed trickle down theory again in the ‘80s and again it did not work. The rich got richer, but the poor got poorer and the economy declined. Mr. Bush Sr., who always had a problem with the “vision thing”, continued the failed policy of his immediate predecessor.

Mr. Clinton took a more progressive approach and, as Roosevelt had done, turned the Hoover model upside down. Instead of making the rich richer in the hope that they would spend that money and thus create demand and therefore jobs, he created a tax environment that encouraged the creation of jobs directly. It was an economic environment where everyone could get rich, not just a few, and it worked. Lots of jobs and lots of new millionaires were created while Clinton was in office. More new millionaires were created during the Clinton administration than at any other time in our history.

President Bush II slipped into office and once again applied the Neo-Con manta of the old trickle down tax model and immediately created a need to raise the debt level to pay for an unjustified tax cut in 2001. Predictably (and before 9/11) the nation lost jobs and there were fewer new millionaires. Not learning from his past mistakes, Bush pushed through yet more tax cuts in 2003, 2005 and 2006 -- all while expanding the military, the largest single component of the budget. He and his lap dog Republican Congress never learned from their mistakes. As a result, the national debt has increased an average of $1.5 billion per day since the beginning of 2002.

While it is a great jabbing sound bite, the facts show that the “tax and spend” rhetoric Republicans often spew about Democrats is not as bad as it sounds. Taxing before spending actually reflects good government. The facts also show that it most often takes a Democratic President to control and reduce spending. The truth is that the Republicans are the party of “borrow and spend”. They hate taxes, but love to spend; their solution is to put off paying till later for our security today. They prefer to see our children pay for their debt. Neo-Conservative thinking has run up over an 9.5 trillion dollar debt that will not be paid off for a generation or more, and is still increasing at an astounding rate with no end to deficit spending in sight.

Every time we have seen massive tax cuts there was a bubble in the economy followed by a recession. Tax increases on the wealthy have caused a slow steady growth in the economy.




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reply posted on 2-3-2009 @ 06:04 AM by ofhumandescent


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www.cedarcomm.com...

This missive is clearly biased against deficit spending. Getting past the hysteria, bias and rhetoric, certain facts about the United States national debt stand out:

1. Since the Neo-Conservative movement has become the dominant force in the Republican Party the national debt has grown and continues to grow at an unsustainable rate, by any measure you care to use.

2. Experience has shown that “trickle down tax cuts” only work to concentrate the nation’s wealth into fewer hands and never help to rebound the economy.

3. Mr. Bush has no viable plan to deal with the debt he has already created, and we cannot count on him to contain government spending in the future.

4. The only time we have seen national debt reduction in the past 60 years was when Democrats were totally in charge of our government or when one party was in the White House and another ran Congress.

5. In the past 60 years when Republicans were in control of the presidency and both Houses of Congress, neither debt, nor government spending was ever reduced. The last time a Republican Congress reduced the national debt was in 1947, under Truman’s leadership.

6. The last time the debt was reduced was in 1961 during President Kennedy’s first year in office. It has been almost a half century, 46 years, since this nation has paid down any of its exponentially increasing debt. (Had President Bill Clinton been in office one more year we would probably have seen a debt decrease in 2001.)

7. The failure of the financial and insurance markets can be directly related to the tax and regulation policies of the Neo-Cons.

Relatively recent history tells us that there is a simple solution to the growing debt problem: Congress must adhere to a ‘pay as you go’ rule regardless of the party in control. Unfortunately it requires a President like Bill Clinton, who was truly committed to balancing the budget, to lead the Congress, regardless of the party in charge, to do the right thing for the future of the nation.


Fortunately our nation is fundamentally strong and it has always had the strength to overcome bad presidents and their failed economic and foreign policies. Our economy can and will endure the downward vortex of this misguided Neo-Conservative trend as well. However, for the sake of our nation, our jobs, ours and our children’s future let us all hope that we see an end to the dominance of the short sighted, Middle Class-killing, Neo-Conservative economic polices soon.

Acknowledgements:



Sources and Related Websites:



The GDP to debt data can be found at the US Government web site: www.whitehouse.gov...



Link to IRS data (the IRS is a bit slow in updating their data, the newest data found on this website is from 2004):

www.irs.gov...=130546,00.html

An Excel spreadsheet with the debt data and the chart above can be found at the following URL;

www.cedarcomm.com...

Here is a link to see what the current debt is:

brillig.com...





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reply posted on 2-3-2009 @ 07:33 AM by j2000


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Since your on the Obama train that's going off a cliff.
Why don't you add in the up to date numbers.

Whey don't you break it down between which parties contolled the senate and house with what party president.
It does make a big difference.

You are so hung up on Parties, if you would pull your head out of your rear, you might actually learn a thing or two about the Fed. Res. Bank.

Then maybe, you would not be so high and mighty on your soap box.

You are part of the problem, not the solution.



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reply posted on 2-3-2009 @ 07:36 AM by j2000


To add.

You are just what the Govt. wants everyone to be.

You sit and look at the waving hand while they steal your pocket book.

They steal your rights.

They shred your Constitution.

Obama and his Cronies should be held accountable for the acts of TREASON they have committed.



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reply posted on 2-3-2009 @ 07:39 AM by j2000


As far as the retirement package goes, it should be pulled away from them, in light of the fact that they did not make anyone elses secure.



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reply posted on 15-4-2009 @ 07:45 PM by ofhumandescent


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I disagree.

Read, Naomi Wolf's "The End of America" and "Give Me Liberty".

or

Paul Waldman's "Fraud" with the 262 lies documented that were uttered by George W. Bush Jr.

or

GWB's 543 days of "vacation" (at our expense) during his 8 years in office.

YOU GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR REAR.

Our country is in the mess it's in because the previous two elections were stolen and the moron that was placed in office didn't know what end was up.

Start researching how the state of our economy came to be instead of spouting party prejudice politics.



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Start researching how the state of our economy came to be instead of spouting party prejudice politics.


Your the one spouting party politics!! Get over the Democrat/Republican debate. They are all worthless SOB'S! Party affiliation is exactly what they want you to have. Every last one of them are robbing America blind. How can you not see it. Bush sucked...Obama sucks...Congress sucked under Bush and they suck under Obama...OPEN YOUR EYES!



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