Is there a pattern and a unholy goal with the actions we do?

Well according to Revelations there is quite a lot of evil deeds on "our" agenda in the times to come.

Because "Jesus" is going to unseal some disaster onto us because of it.

Now:
In "reality" We are going to bring this evil upon our selves.
We are in "reality" the once who break the seals. We are going to defy our holy spirit and moral values and bring this onto our selves.

We are the 4 horsemen. In a figure of speech. We are the vision the prophets talk about. We must not forget that.
Who else would it be if it wasn't "us"!

The 4 horsemen will be a reaction to our agenda. That means the horsemen will also change color as we bring forth a new agenda or a new action to the stage. What ever that will be.
Because they dont all come at once. We have to do things for it to happen.
That's common sense and nothing supernatural.

Now some one might think that i am of the track when it comes to God in heaven. Or heaven as a supernatural place. Because some one could read this like there is now heaven or no God.
Since i just give a image of us her on earth. But that's not really the case.
I am just stating have i see the text. Because i live in the real world.

God and Jesus is with us in the wholly spirit. But what i am trying say is that when we break a seal it's because the spirit of Jesus lets us do so.
That's have i see that part of revelations.

Now:
The 4 horsemen and the compass. What dose that mean?
The 4 horsemen will come from 4 different directions. But with a new color every time.
The first horse is white.
What dose that mean!

Is it possible to see that to day. If you look at the world.
This part of the revelation is well written with a lot of information. But can you possibly guess it with the knowledge you have.

Can these horses relate to one and other at any point. Or with something,because they have to. There has got to be a agenda that these fit into.
Because they are written in sequence in revelation.

What is our next move!
The white horse has got to be the action we have to do, to set the stage for the Red horse to come into action.
But what is a white horse.
It has to do with denying what is spiritually right. Because we have to break a seal to make it happen. We are going to do something really evil to bring the white horse to life.

Any input so far?








[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]

sorry for this short reply but i cant resist,i havent really read the bible perhaps i should but from what the op wrote it sounds alot like opening up your chakras and getting a kundalini awakening.7 seals on the book opening them one at a time the book of (REVELATION) spiritual awakening.intresting thread .i also take the 4 horseman as the four elements earth ,water ,fire ,air

[edit on 23-11-2008 by capstan]

THE FOURTH TRUMPET

Read again the 12th verse. We have found that the Goths struck their blow about 409AD, the Vandals from the sea about 422AD, and Attila upon the rivers about 440AD. Odoacer, king of the Heruli, a Northern race, encouraged by the apparent weakness of the falling empire, besieged and took the almost helpless city. Augustulus, the feeble emperor, was hurled down, the Roman senate that had met for 1228 years, was driven from the Senate chambers, the very fabric of the Empire fell to the dust, and the great men were humbled, never to rise again. Sun, moon, and stars, emperor, princes, and great me, are smitten, lose their power, and cease to give light. There now began the period called by all historians the "Dark Ages." The fall of Rome introduced the period when, intellectually and spiritually, the day and night were darkened; when the minds of men were blindfolded, and when the Church, falling gradually into apostasy, gave forth for ages only a feeble light to human souls.

THE THIRD PART

The third part is named in each of these four judgments. The first falls on a third part of the earth, the second on a third part of the sea, the third on a third part of the rivers and the fourth on a third part of the sun, moon, and stars. If they were to fall upon a third part of the great Roman world, (1) upon its land provinces, (2) upon its seas, (3) upon its river systems, and (4) upon emperors and rulers (sun, moon, stars), the whole would be fulfilled. THIS IS JUST WHAT TOOK PLACE.

During a great part of the period when the events were taking place which are covered by the seven trumpets, the great Roman world was divided into three parts. Gibbon, Chap LII., says: "From the age of Charlemagne to that of the Crusades, the world (Roman) was occupied and disputed by the three great empires, or nations of the Greeks, the Saracens, and the Franks." "The three great nations of the (Roman) world, the Greeks, the Saracens, and the Franks, encountered each other on the plains of Italy." Chap. LVI.

It is upon one of these parts, "a third part," the Western third part, called the Latin or Frank part that all the calamities of the four invasions of Goths, Vandals, Huns, and Heruli fell. It was the Western THIRD PART, the Old Roman Empire , which fell forever under their blows.

CHAPTER IX

1-6

John saw when the trumpet sounded, not a star falling, but a star fallen to the earth. A star is a leader. A star fallen would indicate his degradation in some manner. Given the key to the bottomless pit, he was given power to let out hellish influences on earth. From this hellish pit, came some influence, symbolized by the smoke, which darkened the earth. The destroying locusts symbolize destroying armies. The locust usually devours everything, but these locusts shall seek to preserve trees and green things.

These locusts special hurt is reserved for men, but they should not kill them. This either implies that the armies symbolized by these locusts should not seek to destroy the races they attack, or that they should not destroy the empires they assail.

Five months. Their torment should continue for five months, or one hundred and fifty prophetic days. Since a day is a symbol for a year, this implies one hundred and fifty years. So terrible will be the torment of these scorpions that death will be desired.

The appearance of these locusts as described is armies of horsemen. There was an appearance like golden crowns. An array of men wearing yellow turbans would have such an appearance.

Faces of men. Faces covered with beard. Roman soldiers wore no beard, hence the beards would be a striking feature to John.

Hair as the hair of women. Wearing long, flowing hair.

Teeth as of lions. Probably signifies a fierceness.

Breastplates as breastplates of iron. Not iron breastplates of iron, nor the segmented lorica so familiar to John. Maybe mail.

The sound of their wings. They gave a sound like the rush of chariots or horses into battle.

Tails. They stung terribly, and left a sting in their path.

They had a king over them. The real king was not the star, but the power of the bottomless pit.

Apollyon. The destroyer. Either the devil or one of his angels.

FULFILLMENT:

The locust, the horse, the horsemen, the scorpions, and indeed all symbols point to Arabia as the source from whence the locusts come. It is evident that the uprising of Mohammedan or Saracen power is meant here.

The Western Empire had fallen in AD 476. Yet there existed the Eastern Roman Empire with Constantinople for its capital, called the Greek Empire. Against this Eastern Empire the Saracen attack was especially directed.

The Arabians, unlike the Goths, Vandals, or Huns were an army of horsemen, and moved over a country almost with the swiftness of the locust.

The Arabs:

Came forth from the home of the locust.

They all fought on horseback. There was not a foot soldier within the armies that in 632 assailed the Eastern Empire.

They wore long patriarchal beards.

In Ezekial 23:42, speaking of the Sabeans, which were an Arab tribe, says, "The Sabeans of the wilderness who put upon their heads beautiful crowns." The historians often speak of them as the "turbaned Arabs." The yellow turbans of he Arab horsemen, at a little distance would strikingly resemble "crowns" of gold.

But to the faces of men is added "the hair of women." The female distinction is long hair, and evidently, John beholds as these riders pass by, long hair flowing to their shoulders and streaming in the wind. Did the Arabs of the seventh century wear long hair? Pliny, who was the contemporary of John, speaks (Nat. His. 7:28) of "the turbaned Arabs with their uncut hair." Ammianus Marcellinus in th efourth, and Jerome in the fifth century, each speak of the long-haired Arabs.

But the locusts had "breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron." The historians of the Arabian wars constantly speak of their coats of iron mail. Muhammed in the Qur'an says" "Allah has given you coats of mail to defend you in the wars."

OTHER DETAILS

Muhammed was literally a star fallen. He was a prince by birth, the heir to the rule of Mecca, but with his grandfather and father dying while he was young, he was pushed aside to become an embittered servant.

The locusts came out of the smoke. The Arabs were unknown as a conquering force before Muhammed. The smoke of his imposture filled them with the stern, fanaticism of the Qur'an, fanned by the lust for booty.

They had literal orders not to destroy vegetation. As a desert people, they relished and preserved green vegetation, something they prized and found precious.

Their work was to continue for 150 years. Though Muhammed began his work earlier, it was in 632 AD that the Arab hosts burst forth from their deserts to assail the world. Within a hundred years Palestine, Syria, Mesopotaia, Egypt, the north of Africa, and Spain had fallen under their sway. In 762 the capital of the Saracen Empire was placed at Baghad and their rulers began to enjoy peaceful ideas. In 781, Th eCaliph Haroun Al Rashid was their ruler. This is the golden age of the Saracen Empire. The era of Arabian nights. Bagdad was called the City of Peace.

How long from the beginning of the torment the spread of Islam? In AD 632 they burst forth, to which you add 150 years. That would bring us to AD 782, the second year of the reign of Haroun Al Rashid's rule. Did the torment continue any longer? Nope. He was engaged in friendly correspondence with the Christian rulers of Europe, and from this time the Saracens ceased to forcibly compel others to make the world Muhamedan.

Look like the Turks are next.

This thread is a joke.

Sorry had to be said.

THE SIXTH TRUMPET

The Arab scourge had ended by 782AD. It had taken from the Eastern Empire its provices in Africa, and most of its possessions in Asia. The world, according to Gibbon, was at this time divided into three parts. Two of these have fallen before five destructive agencies. One still remains to be destroyed by the angels bound at the river Euphrates.

A few years before 1000AD, a fierce Tatar race, formidible in numbers and bravery left the shores of the Caspian Sea and moved southwestward, settling on the banks of the Eurphrates. They took the country to the east. This went on for almost a half century, as it seemed they were somehow restrained by the Euphrates. They took the country east of the river and Persia became one of its provinces, even to India. But for two generations, they were somehow restrained, or held, or bound by the river Euphrates.

By inexplicably remaining on its eastern banks, their armies were restrained from ravaging the countries to the west for almost a half century. But in 1057, sixty years and two generations after arriving, they crossed the river and marched on the last remnant of the eastern Roman Empire. The people were called Turkomans, or Turkmen; we call them Turks.

There were four angels. This would imply four powers. This people of Turkomans were divided into four kingdoms, under the four grandsons of Togrul, father of Malek Shah. This is described by Gibbon in Volume 5, page 532. The mighty empire of Malek Shah was divided into four principalities under his four sons. There are then four angels of destruction.

Consider:
1. They were bound at the river Euphrates.

2. There were four commands.

3. Their armies were of horsemen, apparently countless.

4. They numbered their horsemen by MYRIADS instead of thousands. Gibbon often speaks of the myriads of horse. See Chapter 57.

5. "The Ottomans until a very recent period wore warlike apparel of scarlet, blue, and yellow."

6. The first time gunpowder and firearms were employed in war was during their campaigns. Constantinople was taken by cannon fire. To quote Gibbon, "The great cannon of Mahamet has been separately noticed; an important and visible object in the history of the times; but that enormous engine was flanked by two fellows almost of equal magnitude; the long order of the Turkish artillery was pointed against the walls; fourteen batteries thundered at once on the most accessible places; and of one of these it is ambiguously expressed, that it was mounted with one hundred and thirty balls, or discharged one hundred and thirty bullets."

7. There was power in the tails of the horses. This is a singular statement. No less singular is the fact that among the Turks, the horse's tail is an emblem of power. A Pacha of three tails is a great officer. The emblem of the rule of the Pachas, the most wasteful, oppressive, unjust rule the world has ever seen, is the horse's tail.

The prophetic period is three hundred, ninety-six years, and four months. (An hour, a day, a month, and a year.) How does this match up? It must evidently begin at the time that the Turkish armies crossed the river and assault the Empire. The Eastern Empire soon lost all its territories and was reduced to the city of Constantinople.

In the year 1453, attacked by 200,000 Turks, its walls were battered down by the first cannon ever used in a siege. With 100,000 of its citizens dead, Constantinople was stormed by the Turks and the last relic of a mighty Empire which had lasted for 2,200 years was eradicated. Thus the last third of John's (Roman) world.

The work began by crossing the Euphrates in 1057, culminated in the Empire being eradicated in 1453. The interval between is 396 years! Actually, this prophecy is even more precise. We have found it to mean exactly 396 years and four months. On January 28, 1057, according to Arabian historians, the Turks marched from Baghdad. 396 years and four months, or 120 days, would bring us to May 29, 1453, the very day of the fall of Constantinople and the final overthrow of the Greek third part of the (Roman) world.