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A man deliberately beheads himself with a chainsaw


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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 04:21 AM by FRIGHTENER


Tragic. Poor guy musta felt more panicked about being forced out than he
showed. Hope he's in heaven.

Been cutting with chainsaws over 30 years, myself, and they are wicked!
Designed to cut solid wood, so a human's flesh & bones would be easy to
zip through!

This isn't the oddest suicide I've heard of or known about from people
over the years... A few years ago, in AZ, I think, a man pulled up to a
crew of tree workers, walked up to the roaring wood-chipper, dropped
a suicide note on the ground, and dove in!

A close friend of mine I grew up with, lost his house, wife left him, took
the kid, took the truck, and in a short time was wanted on failure to pay
child support. . .So he chugged a half gallon of Jack Daniels, layed down
on the RR tracks, and . . .

Train conducter's report said he saw my friend lift his head to look at him,
and re-positioned himself so his neck was over the rail!

I always hated it when someone killed themself; but better than going on
a cowardly rampage, killing others.



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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 04:34 AM by UmbraSumus


Originally posted by grover

A man deliberately beheads himself with a chainsaw


uk.news.yahoo.com



He used a piece of the tool's cardboard box to cushion the blades from his neck and then set the timer - exnews](visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 19-11-2008 by grover]


Men`s suicides are often messy unlike women's , women eh !, always thinking about the mess & who's going to have to clean it up .

Cardboard to cushion the blade , the man was obviously ill.



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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 05:19 AM by ANNED


I would have used sleeping pills.

But i would have left a note that i had wired the empty neighborhood with hidden high explosives charges.

Let the demolition company try to find a dozer operator to level a place the my be a big bomb.



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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 05:34 AM by azzllin


Originally posted by ConservativeJack
Now you gotta love a story like this. Man buys home he can't afford. Man sees neighbor get a new Benz. Man leases new Benz he can't afford. Man sees neighbor get a pool, Man buys pool he can't afford.

Man can't pay his bills. So man slices his head off with a chainsaw.

Americans, gotta love them. Everyone thinks they're entitled to the best, the biggest, the fastest. Except not everybody can be a movie star. Only some people.

Who's at fault more? Democrats for pushing the banks to give out loans to poor people or the poor people for thinking they deserved to live better than their neighbor who's a doctor or a lawyer?


I think your post would have made more sense, if this had actually happened in the USA, don't you think? I fail to see how the Democrats or the US election is responsible for this mans plight.?



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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 01:53 PM by dominicus


Looks like he's not going to be getting ahead in life anymore.

I wonder how he did in school, perhaps he was the head of his class???

I wonder what the head detective had to say about this investigation.

He should of quit while he was ahead

Sorry guys, I just couldnt help myself with this one. I apologize for this mindless chatter

Very sad that an unstable man, lost his mind, and did this. Suicides upset me



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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 03:39 PM by warrenb


way too elaborate...he should have made one of these instead






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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 03:50 PM by ConservativeJack


yea it's really a shame he should have just paid the mortgage but sadly a lot of people are just giving up instead of fighting through.

And to the people talking about did I read the story?

Of course I didn't

Why would I want to know the details about this gruesome suicide? Some things are better left not read.

I try and filter as much as I can in this day and age.

To keep my subconscious clear

But yea your saying that the guy was getting his house taken by the government? So that makes it any different? LOOL



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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 05:12 PM by TrustMeImaSalesman


This is very sad! It is just the tip of a huge iceberg of violent acts that will be connected to the problem of re-possessed homes. Back in the "The Great Depression Years" 1929-1936 the American people were of a different "work and spiritual ethic". They at that time had suicides due to poverty, economic loss, loss of homes! Abandondment of children was huge. But their moral compass averted "mass" avenging TOWARDS those who still had homes. Those who had, helped as much as possible. My grandparents and parents went to great lengths to explain how people still had a civil attitude towards each other.

However, this period called the "21st Century" in America will be horrific! The current generation, which includes myself, at retirement age, has never known "homeless" and no hope of work or shelter. This generation is filled with " individuals of weak morals, weak work ethic, pleasure filled lifestyle and at the flip of a switch. Americans Today are not prepared to suffer or have the ability to cope and endure!
Although the "homeless" are now seen in every community(large or small) within 7 months from today ; this group will grow expotentially! Every major city and community will have a designated area for the dis-possessed, homeless, jobless, vagrants and drug addicts. This volatile mix will become explosive similar to what was seen in first movie "Road Warrior".
Todays citizens, never experiencing hunger on a huge basis, will demand or simply take for those who have. Every community, every neighborhood, every commerical area will see very violent crimes against those who have jobs, autos, homes, apartments, condos, boat homes, RV's, food and medicine. Hospitals will become an armed fort. The desperate will decend upon clinics because they will have no money to buy any kind of medicines, care, or treatments. Highjacked autos, home invasions will be a normal event in every community! Drug use will spread among the poor to help ease the pain of loss. It will bring about a huge surge in crime againts the "Haves".

Why in the world do you think that our current President elect demanded and promised a "Strong Civilian Defense/Police Force" as EQUAL TO the current military? Because both parties know that the "Second Greatest Depression" is just around the corner.

Our civilized society is riddled with "a-moral" citizens. There is no conscience! Take it if it's in front of them! No guilt to stealing, violent crime, violence against anyone who "has" or saved! Abandonded homes/forclosures properties will see the homeless invade them and take up residence until forced to move. They will prey upon the existing neighborhoods until killed or removed.

Just get ready! Pay your bills if possible. Begin to apply/talk to your banksers/creditors, forstall eviction for as long as possible and if possible make alternate living arrangements before they turn off the lights(live with relatives or group families) . Apply now for food stamps, medicaid, low cost/no cost medicals, get surgury/medical procedures NOW before you can't get any. Begin to cut out CABLE TV, MOBIL PHONES!!!!, CLUB MEMBERSHIPS, EATING OUT cut in half, shopping down to once a week only for groceries/medicines, and continue to go to worship as you see fit to pray! Eliminate extra autos, boats, RV's kids bling toys/ new clothes for every season. LIVE ON CASH! STOP THE CREDIT CARDS FOR ALL ITEMS. DON'T HAVE THE CASH!!! YOU DON'T NEED IT!

By August 2009, America will be in a full blown depression!!! ARE YOU READY?

Trust Me I'm a Salesman



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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 05:18 PM by grover


Originally posted by TrustMeImaSalesman
This is very sad! It is just the tip of a huge iceberg of violent acts that will be connected to the problem of re-possessed homes.


I have come to regret my OP.

I was not clear about this story and I apologize... it happened in Great Britain and it was not related at all to the housing crisis in this country.... his home was part of a whole condemned block and he refused to move. The man was already mentally ill and had tried to kill himself before.



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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 06:28 AM by mysticalzoe


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Uhh i don't feel any sympathy for the guy, why get a house if you can't afford it?? That's beyond me, and the banks should have looked into it more, instead of handing out a loan. I should know, my husband and I are in our 30's and we just bought our first home, and it took a lot for us to get to this point, if we would have bought one in our 20's we wouldn't of had a house today.

i feel the guy is a coward and an idiot for doing what he did, i don't feel bad for him at all. Sucks to be him, I do feel bad for the mess he created, and now his family has to deal with his problems, KUDOS to him for killing himself, instead of being a man! When will people learn?



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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 06:58 AM by grover


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You're just dripping with compassion aren't you?

First off read my revised OP or read my post above yours... the issue wasn't he bought a house he couldn't afford he refused to move off of a condemned block,

Second of all even though its not the issue how dare you assume that he bought a house he couldn't afford? Have you ever heard of losing your job or health issues? A person can fall behind on their mortgage a number of different ways, even one they could have afforded.

Your post makes a lot of presumptions all of them inaccurate not to mention cold hearted and arrogant.



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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 07:07 AM by Sonya610


Originally posted by grover
I have come to regret my OP.

I was not clear about this story and I apologize... it happened in Great Britain and it was not related at all to the housing crisis in this country.... his home was part of a whole condemned block and he refused to move. The man was already mentally ill and had tried to kill himself before.


He may have been a bit off mentally but he was pretty smart and coherent to put such an elaborate setup together.

I thought the house was being foreclosed on too. Then the beheading would make more sense (would hurt the value, many new buyers would feel odd buying a house in which the former owner had chopped their own head off and splattered blood all over the living room specifically because they did not want to leave the house. sheesh even people that "don't believe in ghosts" would probably be put off by that.).

But since the house was being condemned and would not be lived in anyway, it does seem like a very odd way to off oneself. I can't imagine how he managed to keep his head/neck down when that chainsaw started tearing into the back of it. Would it happen so fast it is hard to move?

Perhaps he wanted to make a point. A nice quite overdose suicide would NOT make international news. A beheading by chainsaw obviously would though. Its too bad the t-shirt stopped the blades, he didn't figure on that, I am sure the idea was a clean beheading and that was botched despite good planning. Though it is sad for his parents.

[edit on 21-11-2008 by Sonya610]



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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 10:29 PM by FRIGHTENER


Originally posted by Sonya610
he was pretty smart and coherent to put such an elaborate setup together. I can't imagine how he managed to keep his head/neck down when that chainsaw started tearing into the back of it. Would it happen so fast it is hard to move?


Good question there, Sonya my friend- Hope you don't mind one possible answer from a tree-man.

NO. It wouldn't. It would be horribly slow & painful, and that little saw would bogg down, losing power till it snagged! OOUUUcchhh!
One-one thousand; Two-one thousand; Three-one thousand; not even half-way through...

From the article, it sounds like he used a small, electric chainsaw;
Those are hardly considered 'real' chainsaws to those of us who use Stihl brand, or Husqvarna brand gas-powered saws, but capable of light duty cutting. No-where near the top-end RPM's, power, or kick-back forces of the gas saws.

If it were me, (it's not), I'd clamp down a 36" bar, 660 Magnum Stihl chainsaw at knee-height; sit in a chair 2 feet in front of it, facing away.
Then 'rock' back in the chair to the tipping point, and tip back suddenly!
Stihl 660 Magnum shown here with smaller bar.

I would of course sharpen it for 45 minutes, to razor. (Sharper than new).
And put in a new Bosch spark plug, lean-out the idle adjuster for max speed of chain, treat it to premium fuel mix, and fill the oiler resevoir with warm bar oil, to reduce friction when I duct-tape the throttle wide-open.

THAT would be quick! Like a Bowie knife through a Twinkie! And extremely L O U D ! One-one thou- done!

(Ear plugs optional)



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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 10:43 PM by Bejing


Now that's what I call a Head Job



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reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 10:44 PM by LittlePinky82


Originally posted by grover

OUCH!!!

I can think of far better ways (and less painful) ways of killing myself than with a chainsaw. Messy too.

The real story however is why.

As the housing crisis continues to spread and deepen we read more and more stories of people perferring to kill themselves (abit less dramatically) than suffer the humiliation of losing their homes.

Its sad. In 1997 I lost my home... not due to the housing crisis or a bad mortgage... but still (actually I sold it to avoid losing it... same thing) and it tore me apart. So I can sympathize...

... But with a chainsaw???

I made some mistakes in this OP but instead of rewriting it I will post a copy of my correction on page two.


Actually I reread the story and got part of the OP wrong... his house was apparently one of a number on a block to be razed and he had already refused offers for alternative housing... my mistake but given the fact that people are killing themselves rather than be foreclosed on... it was somewhat understandable that i read something different.

None the less... I was wrong.


uk.news.yahoo.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 19-11-2008 by grover]


Yes sadly we're going to hear more of this as things get worse. It's very scary and sad that we've come to this point. Damn Bush and the republicans. Ugh. And it seems to me to be a matter of survival, pride and all that probably. Of course just my wild guess. I remember reading a story of a woman going to kill herself because of that too.



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reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 08:59 AM by Sonya610


Originally posted by FRIGHTENER
sit in a chair 2 feet in front of it, facing away.
Then 'rock' back in the chair to the tipping point, and tip back suddenly!

THAT would be quick! Like a Bowie knife through a Twinkie! And extremely L O U D ! One-one thou- done!



Well it would be quick UNLESS you made an error when calculating the position of the chair. If you hit it with with your shoulders ouch....very nasty.

Personally it is such a horrible slow method I can't imagine doing such a thing (unless on pcp or something maybe). But I would think that once the blades cut through the spinal cord (which is at the back of the neck) everything would get fuzzy real fast.



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reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 09:06 AM by RFBurns


Well it doesnt matter much now how smart he was in putting together his own personal chop-n-drop machine and using it on himself now does it.

There has to be more to the reason why other than not wanting to relocate from a quarantined area or forclosed home.

This almost sounds like some story you find on tabloid papers at the check-out.

And the guy wasnt all that smart anyway to off with the head over a house. Plenty of them out there to buy and he could have checked into having his home moved...they can do that these days ya know.



Cheers!!!!



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reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 09:09 AM by REXIMUS


WTF is wrong with the way people think? Holy crap this guy is an idiot.



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reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 09:11 AM by Sonya610


Originally posted by REXIMUS
WTF is wrong with the way people think? Holy crap this guy is an idiot.


I agree, what is wrong with people? Obviously the guy had mental health issues (he had a history of problems).

Being crazy is not the same as being stupid.



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reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 12:03 AM by FRIGHTENER


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So right. I guess you'd have to do a couple practice drops, ensuring proper alignment with the cutting bar, before starting up the saw!

Maybe rev-up the video camera for on-line streaming, and . . .

For Pete's sake, why in the world are we talking about this? lol

See how we are?



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