Chinese Have "MANCHURIAN MICROCHIPS" On our Computers

All computers on the market today — be they Dell, Toshiba, Sony, Apple or especially IBM — are assembled with components manufactured inside the PRC. Each component produced by the Chinese, according to a reliable source within the intelligence community, is secretly equipped with a hidden microchip that can be activated any time by China’s military intelligence services, the PLA.

“It is there, deep inside your computer, if they decide to call it up,” the security chief of a multinational corporation told The Investigator. “It is capable of providing Chinese intelligence with everything stored on your system — on everyone’s system — from e- mail to documents. I call it Call Home Technology. It doesn’t mean to say they’re sucking data from everyone’s computer today, it means the Chinese think ahead — and they now have the potential to do it when it suits their purposes.”

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Just another reason some jobs shouldn't be exported overseas. I would assume that the chips are either on Motherboards or Nic Cards. Nowadays most mother boards have nic cards placed already on. All they'd have to do is place a chip that would take the feed from the computers south bridge to the processor and they'd have all that they could need.

Ahhh... I knew it!!!

Those damn Chinese are after my extensive porn stash!!!

Seriously... if this were true... don't you think one of these chips would be discovered by now... and a huge stink made over the whole deal?

This has been a concern.. I know some defense co's went from Dell to IBM when they realized they had boards coming from China. Now even manufacturer does not matter.. It reminds me of one of the Tom Clancy books..Forget name now.

Originally posted by Resinveins
Seriously... if this were true... don't you think one of these chips would be discovered by now... and a huge stink made over the whole deal?

No doubt, we have teen age kids cracking the iPhone and all sorts of other stuff. I'm sure if there was something telling to find in a computer...it would have been found and reported.

Would be nice if there was a picture of this tiny microchip so we could actually check and see if it's there or not. I'm sure it is though. Damn chinese.

It could be extra circuitry hidden within a particular chip..Thus not visible to direct inspection

What's the alternative? American built components?

Why should I trust the Americans any more than the Chinese?

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Well since they make and manufacture the chips there in China. It is possible they could alter the chips on the south bridge allowing for remote in capabilities at the hardware level.

If you look at this picture.



You can see all someone would have to do is intercept the feed of the south bridge, it controls the hard drives and network cards.

The reason why it wouldn't be known is because is the code is not always ON. So A) you would have to know what you're looking for B) it would take extensive hardware and firmware knowledge(masters degree type stuff) to actually decipher what you're looking at.

I don't know about you ATruGod or Resinveins, but I am in the information technology field, and this is completely plausible.

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It could be embeded, firmware wise, into any chip on the motherboard. But the Southern Bridge would make the most sense.

And in response to the person from england. There are some things countries shouldn't rely on others to do, in my opinion, Food and Technology come to mind.

[edit on 19-11-2008 by djpaec]

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Ah I see, man that's some scary stuff. Someone also mentioned a chip within a chip. Would it be possible to check your memory load, maybe there's something that can't be accounted for? Maybe it has its own built in memory inside the chip. Crazy...

I know they have some fake Cisco Routers that have some funky "red chip" that makes them communicate back to HQ. the sucky part is that these routers cost WAY less than legit routers, so ALOT of companies have used them.

FAKE ROUTERS

I still don't see how this is plausible, without one of the millions of IT professionals in the USA or UK having discovered this.

People are forever developing ways to make this technology smaller, more powerful and streamlined, at least one western IT company would have found something, if not by accident, by trying to remove components and finding one they couldn't explain.

It's the same with software and viruses, it's all torn apart, decoded and translated, butchered in the development of better technology, or prevention of threat.

The other reason why I think this is not plausible; information gathering.

What use would MY porn collection be to the Chinese government?


You can guarantee the CIA's porn collection is secured, and not accessible by outside sources.
The communication of information even for a government contractor is strictly controlled.

So, what do we think they'd do, just dial in? Like that wouldn't be noticed!



Sorry, my common sense tells me this is nothing but another fantasy. And if it's discussed here, you can guarantee the PTB thought of this threat decades ago and have triple-checked everything, just in case.

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Do you guys even read the articles? If you read it past the paragraphs I pasted you would get this.

Discussed theoretically in high-tech security circles as “Trojan Horse on a Chip” or “The Manchurian Chip,” Call Home Technology came to light after the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) launched a security program in December 2007 called Trust in Integrated Circuits. DARPA awarded almost $25 million in contracts to six companies and university research labs to test foreign-made microchips for hardware Trojans, back doors and kill switches — techie-speak for bugs and gremlins — with a view toward microchip verification.

Raytheon, a defense contractor, was granted almost half of these funds for hardware and software testing.

Its findings, which are classified, have apparently sent shockwaves through the counterintelligence community.

“It is the hottest topic concerning the FBI and the Pentagon,” a retired intelligence official told The Investigator. “They don’t know quite what to do about it. The Chinese have even been able to hack into the computer system that handles our Intercontinental Ballistic Missile system.” Another senior intelligence source told The Investigator, “Our military is aware of this and has had to take some protective measures. The problem includes defective chips that don’t reach military specs — as well as probable Trojans.”

Ferengi: Memory wouldn't account for it, unless you had server grade software to examine your hardware load(Built into Server OS'). Since it's at the hardware level, it's not like a process will show up in your Windows Task Manger. Although there would be a load increase, the easiest way to notice it is by checking the Activity of your Nic card and if it's extremley High for what you are doing, you could use the command prompt to see what IP's you're connected too. Thankfully I run a program called peerguardian that stops all known government IP's from looking at my PC.

Interesting, peerguardian you say?

I'll see if I can get a hold of it. Thanks

I knew all about the Man Chi Hungs quite awhile ago. They're not so bad, they have actually cancelled out the Russian Spies who lived on my lap top and life is good.

I believe the news of those chips broke here on ATS....www.abovetopsecret.com...

FBI Fears Chinese Hackers and/or Government Agents Have Back Door Into US Government & Military Computer Networks

The thread was on 04/21/2008...April 21 2008

Here is the intro...

Some months ago, my contacts in the defense industry had alerted me to a startling development that has escalated to the point of near-panick in nearly all corners of Government security and IT infrastructure. The very-real concern, being investigated by the FBI, is that either the Chinese government or Chinese hackers (or both) have had the benefit of undetectable back-doors into highly secure government and military computer networks for months, perhaps years. The cause: a high-number of counterfeit Cisco routers and switches installed in nearly all government networks that experienced upgrades and/or new units within the past 18 months.

173 flags on that thread by Mister Old School