Originally posted by Realtruth
reply to post by jefwane
The Big 3 will not go bankrupt. Here is my prediction, they will close ranks and kick all the a-holes out that are currently running the companies, this will be done by the workers actually personally stepping up to the plate and taking pay cuts. People will wake up and take more pride in their work ethics.
Detroit has many talented, trained skilled workers, actually generations of them all those years of production, schooling, trades are not a waste.
I also believe this will transpire on a nationwide level, because people are sick of the lazy fcks, that are bleeding the system. If someone doesn't perform they are history. I also don't believe that because someone has a higher level job they deserve more, if you put your time in you share equally in the corporate earnings, if the company losses so does the group as a whole.
I know there is a company here in the USA that runs this way and they are extremely profitable, and everyone takes pride in what they do, if someone does not perform it's by by. Can't remember the name right now, but i'll post it when it comes to me.
Believe what you want, but a superb auto tech is no where near as valuable as a superb exec or an interested board member. All positions are integral to the whole, that's true. And you can take any extreme angle you like, i.e. laborers are the foundation of society and if they go everyone goes, or that execs are the decision makers that bring everything and everyone together; neither stance proves anything.
You don't get an equal, or even a relatively similar, share in the profits. You get a share corresponding to the amount of production you are personally responsible for. If your job accounts directly for less production, then the company you work for can afford to hire many people in similar positions, thus driving down the price of your wage. But I do understand the cynicism many people show... You're a hard working and creative man. Do you really need managers? Do you really need executives to make financial and organizational decisions, especially when most of them are incompetent? That's more a question of character than merit. Hell, just take this to heart: if you're a better worker than your boss is a manager, then you're a better man. Ye, God! The fact is execs aren't as deep into the back pockets of their board members as many think. There are whole independent federal commissions responsible for the regulation of executive compensation. Exec pay is it's own independent market. The reason the government can't handle this issue is because the mortgage-backed securities fraud was the BIGGEST EVER perpetrated in human history. Nothing even compares to it. Just imagine the scope of it all. Sure there is going to be cynicism when there are a bunch of bad execs filling their pockets with all this stolen money. And now the government wants to TAX you? Of course you're mad. But the government isn't that smart. Taxing is the best they can think of. It's one of the few economic powers they really have. This whole fraud is way above and beyond them.
I know you don't mean getting paid "exactly" equal... that's obvious. But what are we talking here? "Higher positions" are "higher" for a reason... surely.
Anyway, this is slightly off-topic; so let me tie it in.
Americans are afraid of losing purchasing power. The national government, designed to protect its citizens' interest, is even more afraid of this shift toward foreign markets. National economic policy is plaguing this world. It has since the last decades of the nineteenth century... when the British abducted Chinese capital and infiltrated their markets. All the would-be entrepreneurs of China became extremists. They became increasingly socialist in nature until the formation of the first Communist parties. This in turn lead to a whole spur of nationalism in China itself, which has for all of its long history been of dynastic tradition. You paid homage to your King and Queen, but otherwise you associated yourself with the mountains or valleys you grew up in, the farm you worked, the cattle you raised, and not some arbitrary political border or identity.
By bailing out our industries, we fail capitalism. Capitalism is global by definition. Without national policy, you would see a massive redistribution of wealth to seemingly random locations on the planet; these new economic centers would not be aligned with the borders of any particular nation, but would exist within a domain produced by the commerce and exchange of the most industrious citizens from all sides of every border imaginable. America won't have any of this. It wants to keep this wealth in the hands of its citizens, and by extension, keep the power associated with that wealth in their own hands. This will give the federal government power because those citizens grant them that power; they show their support from having received all this wealth. This cycle has been going on and on forever since the Greek city-state leagues and the Athenian empire. They were all a bunch of greedy bastards.
We are so in-grained with the wealth and comfort we currently experience in our society today in America and we can attribute all that to national economic policy. I'm sure you protest about the living conditions and the work quality of people making Nike shoes in Indonesia, but the reason they experience that is because you enjoy the life you live. It's not like you could have provided for your family and own everything you own on your terms. Everyone in this country is responsible. But also, everyone in this country is obligated to show their support for those that brought them this wealth.
By bailing out our industries, we are reducing production possibilities and economic growth elsewhere, both abroad and in our very own country. Well, that's a pretty weak conclusion... since everyone's a nationalist these days.
But it just precipitates and precipitates until we can no longer
handle it and all out war breaks loose. And if not through military conflict, then severe depression, widespread famine and human suffering will bring
about a hell on earth. I can't stress enough how all of history is written today, and all of today is written in history. All the world's problems lie in the history books.
[edit on 19-11-2008 by cognoscente]
