ZEITGEIST "Venus Project" Founder is a New Ager & RAELIAN ?

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posted on Nov, 19 2008 @ 06:29 AM
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No doubt he is a New Ager, and it appears a Raelian too.

raelianews.org...

Related (Give you some background):

Zeitgeist Refuted (1 of 10) - Excellent documentary that debunks the entire Part 1 of ZEITGEIST, The Movie
au.youtube.com...

ZEITGEIST Debunked YouTube - Excellent YouTube Channel, must check out.
au.youtube.com...

They are misleading you... - A nice clip on the sources of information for ZEITGEIST (Luciferians)
au.youtube.com...

Zeitgeist Part One Exposed: The Film (1 of 8)
au.youtube.com...

I notice that both ZEITGEIST, The Movie and ZEITGEIST Addendum both received awards from Hollywood (California). The only two "truth" documentaries to receive awards from Hollywood.

[edit on 19-11-2008 by aelphaeis_mangarae]




posted on Nov, 19 2008 @ 07:42 AM
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Here is a list of other Honorary Guides:


* George Michael[2]
* Michael Moore[3]
* Eminem[4][5][6][7]
* Thaksin Shinawatra, 23rd Prime Minister of Thailand[8]
* Leon Ferrari[9]
* Michael Newdow[10]
* Ward Churchill[11][12]
* Rosie O'Donnell[13]
* Hugo Chávez, 61st President of Venezuela[14][15]
* Nicholas Negroponte[16]
* Madonna[17][18]
* Michel Houellebecq[19]
* Cindy Sheehan[20]
* Brian Haw[21][22]
* William Blum[23]
* Ayaan Hirsi Ali[24]
* Wafa Sultan[25]
* Michel Onfray[26][27]
* Luigi Tosti[28][29]
* Michael Berg[30]
* Warren Buffett[31]
* Bill Gates[31]
* Jigme Singye Wangchuck, 4th King of Bhutan[32]
* John C. Sanford[33]
* Jose Ramos Hortas[34]
* Tali Fahima[35]
* Eyal Sivan[36]
* Sean Penn[37]
* Jimmy Carter, 34th President of the United States.[38]

en.wikipedia.org...

Are they all Raëlians? I seriously doubt that.

How does the debunking of the astrological Jesus theory relate to this?

What Hollywood award did Zeitgeist get? An Oscar?

EDIT: It seems Zeitgeist, 1 and 2 got an award at the Artivist Film Festival, judging from the other award winning titles, it appears Zeitgeist is right up their alley. Nevertheless, the festival in question doesn't appear to be very mainstream.


[edit on 19/11/08 by ConspiracyNut23]



posted on Nov, 19 2008 @ 08:52 AM
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For the Prophet Rael to name Jacques an Honorary Guide (aka Honorary Priest) of the Raelian Movement means that Jacques has dedicated his life to the betterment of Humanity as a whole. Not just one country, one race, one religion, but the whole of humanity.

Prophet Rael _ I thought this movement had no religion.

its a pie in the eye scam.



posted on Nov, 19 2008 @ 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by zman
Prophet Rael _ I thought this movement had no religion.


The OP has not given any evidence that Jacques was a Raëlian. All we know is that they have named him a honorary Priest.

Be careful, you could be next.



posted on Nov, 19 2008 @ 09:39 AM
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Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23

Originally posted by zman
Prophet Rael _ I thought this movement had no religion.


The OP has not given any evidence that Jacques was a Raëlian. All we know is that they have named him a honorary Priest.

Be careful, you could be next.


I keep thinking of that episode of the twilight zone, TO SERVE MAN.



posted on Nov, 19 2008 @ 09:41 AM
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I admit the Zeitgeist Movies are very informative and I learned some things from the movies I did not know before, but TO ME they do have a NWO propaganda undertone.

the "They are Misleading You" video that you linked is very telling. I also find this video interesting:

video.google.com...

nice thread!



posted on Nov, 19 2008 @ 09:59 AM
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Its not just the videos that are out there, the post here, (who will join the Zeihtheist Movement) are miss leaning the un-educated. In one of the post near the beginning it states that a person Named Mike St. Clair is envovled in the movement. This person Mr. Saint clair is of the Holy Blood Holy Grail decentent. That alone should have brought up a warning signal. But nooo, they promote it through getting something from nothing. To anyy un-educated people falling for a program to control you. They do not see it as such, but a utopia that is self substaining. People will fall for any scam that projects itself to be easy.It is what it is, a scam for you.


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[edit on 11/19/2008 by zman]



posted on Nov, 19 2008 @ 11:48 PM
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Are they all Raëlians? I seriously doubt that.


Correct, thanks for the information.




How does the debunking of the astrological Jesus theory relate to this?


The New Age movement.



posted on Nov, 19 2008 @ 11:59 PM
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Originally posted by aelphaeis_mangarae
The New Age movement.


Let me guess, you think all new agers are blood sucking Satanists and blah, blah, blah...Right?


[edit on 20-11-2008 by SpeakerofTruth]



posted on Nov, 20 2008 @ 03:02 AM
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Let me guess, you think all new agers are blood sucking Satanists and blah, blah, blah...Right?


I do not care to debate with you, I encourage everyone to investigate ZEITGEIST for themselves.

Knowing that the Theosophical Society was founded by Madame Helena Blavatsky would be knowing enough about the ZEITGEIST documentaries.



posted on Nov, 20 2008 @ 05:40 AM
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reply to post by aelphaeis_mangarae
 


Many people disagree with Part 1, and even I, an atheist, don't care much for the sources used in part 1. (I made the mistake of buying Acharya S' The Christ Conspiracy and not one primary source was used in her research! She even quotes known fraudster Zecharia Sitchen!)

At the risk of going off topic, what did you think about Part 2, exposing the Federal Reserve scam? (something I personally care very much about) And as a 9/11 scholar yourself, what do you think of Zeitgeist's work regarding 9/11?

I personally enjoyed the second Zeitgeist. It's fairly obvious that the deep flaws within the capitalist system have to be faced. The most obvious being its leading to a concentration of power for a small minority, seriously skewing democratic systems. The only other system I've looked into is participatory economics. I'm glad that Zeitgeist II is causing people to engage in discussion. Although often the discussion quickly leads to the socialist and communist labels being thrown around, with no real discussion actually taking place. IMO, it appears people rather discuss labels rather than facts.


[edit on 20/11/08 by ConspiracyNut23]



posted on Nov, 20 2008 @ 06:21 AM
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Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth

Originally posted by aelphaeis_mangarae
The New Age movement.


Let me guess, you think all new agers are blood sucking Satanists and blah, blah, blah...Right?


[edit on 20-11-2008 by SpeakerofTruth]


Not to be Disrespectful , but this person is in that project, the Venus Project (www.evpreversespeaking.com... Reverse Speak of Him. Yeah eating babies too.
The way I see it , there is good and bad people who would take advantage of such a project,yes.What you are implying is that not all new agers are taking avantage of us. I know for a fact that everyone uses the resources they have to make a living at what they are good at. Like the Numberologist I know who is a great person and is insightfull but charges for her readings. We really need to look at the whole picture and that takes time for some, and I understand.



posted on Nov, 20 2008 @ 08:08 AM
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Originally posted by holywar
video.google.com...


ridiculous...

The author of the video is under the strange illusion that a majority of people in the 9/11 truth movement believe:

1. Aliens created man
2. There are many instances of resurrected gods in history
3. We're all gonna die in 2012

Because he himself is hyper-gullible doesn't mean everyone in the truth movement is.

I challenge you, (if you are reading this) Chris White to start a thread in ATS's 9/11 Conspiracy Theories section and present your "theory" and what you claim are "building blocks" of the truth movement.

He also maintains that the elite are flesh-eating Luciferians. Hmmm... typical fundamentalist babble.

NOTE: At the end of the video, Mr. White goes into a long rant against atheists. Please, please check out Sam Harris or Richard Dawkins or other atheist intellectuals NOT David Icke or Jordan Maxwell. (Mr. White should also familiarize himself with the historical value of hearsay accounts.)

Complete waste of time...



[edit on 20/11/08 by ConspiracyNut23]



posted on Nov, 20 2008 @ 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by aelphaeis_mangarae
I do not care to debate with you,


Of course not!! You'd rather throw out comments about a belief system, of which in all likelihood you know little about,and not be called out on it. That won't happen under my watch.


[edit on 20-11-2008 by SpeakerofTruth]



posted on Nov, 20 2008 @ 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23

ridiculous...
The author of the video is under the strange illusion that a majority of people in the 9/11 truth movement believe:
1. Aliens created man
2. There are many instances of resurrected gods in history
3. We're all gonna die in 2012
[edit on 20/11/08 by ConspiracyNut23]



Well, I admit I don't know a whole lot about the "truth movement", if there is one thing that I can point out as "useful" information about the Chris White video is that if we choose to reject Jesus (whether that means to deny his existence, or to not accept him as our Lord and Savior), we should do so on a well informed basis. As in the end, when the bubble pops, our survival will depend on this decision. I know that statement may sound off the wall to many of you, but it's the truth.



posted on Nov, 20 2008 @ 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by holywar
... if we choose to reject Jesus (whether that means to deny his existence, or to not accept him as our Lord and Savior), we should do so on a well informed basis.


Agreed. I hope no one rejects Jesus on the basis of having watched Zeitgeist. Eternal damnation can have ... well ... long lasting repercussions...

On the other end, one should be careful when s/he believe their "Lord" are speaking to them directly. Be it Bush believing that his god told him to invade Iraq, or Hitler believing his god saved him for a higher purpose in the trenches of World War 1.

I know of course, that you are apolitical yourself (being a JW) and probably would not make such hasty conclusions.

PS: Star for not flaming me after I've trashed your video link.



[edit on 20/11/08 by ConspiracyNut23]



posted on Nov, 20 2008 @ 07:06 PM
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it is true that the zeitgeist films were made to misinform you. the war in vietnam was not orchestrated for the money...there is something much deeper....



posted on Nov, 20 2008 @ 07:41 PM
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ANONYMOUS APPLY ATS PROB WONT POST...


Pay no mind to these TROLLS. they are slaves to a monetary system, or an interdimensional belief system...fighting for our souls. Well, the one thing to remember is that they do not have a right to it. No matter what conspiracy they conjure up to make us believe.
Jacque a raelian? So what...bush was an inbred fascist son of corrupt royalty. What are you going to do about it? Nothing...collect your paycheck from whatever organization and stay quiet. Let the people gain their power back...the thing is that we wont be operating under ideals such as "order through chaos" or "the ends justify the means".
If i could gain billions in gold value by murdering my brother would i do it? Absolutely not...would you?



posted on Nov, 20 2008 @ 09:51 PM
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Of course not!! You'd rather throw out comments about a belief system, of which in all likelihood you know little about,and not be called out on it. That won't happen under my watch.


No it isn't I just do not have time, and I do not care about what anyone on ATS believes. I post on other forums as well.

I don't have the time, and we are running out of time as the Illuminati advance their agenda.

DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH. That was the message of my post, do your own research. Don't believe anything I post.

I am not claiming anything, but I do encourage people to investigate the sources of the information of ZEITGEIST, that is all.

If I made a claim and swore by it, then yes of course I would have to defend my argument. However I am not.



posted on Nov, 22 2008 @ 12:28 AM
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I loved zeitgeist, and I also loved Zeitgeist Refuted. The truth is between but leans more to Zeitgeist I think. I am really bummed about the Zeitgeist movement. The venus project is crap and I hate how Zeitgeist gives a bunch of great info and then tries to use that info to twist us into believing in the venus project.





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