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Originally posted by Roufas
Sorry to say that what you say is only an assumption LowLevelMason.
Speaking as a member of the Great White Brotherhood,
Originally posted by Roufas
,Another that should be interesting even for you , is that most freemasons are good people , and I firmly believe that also , although there seems to be a wave of "freemasons are evil" belief nowadays =p
Originally posted by EnlightenUp
You are afraid of something, are you not? I believe the OP is attempting to teach about how to avoid being subject to another's mental influence and fascination by maintaining a positive polarization and denying their positivity over us. By allowing our will (+, masculine) to be weak, another's will can influence our desire (-, feminine) which influences our will to act and we mistakenly attribute the induced thoughts to ourselves. That's things in a nutshell. There is plenty of information on the subject if you want details.
Originally posted by EnlightenUp
I also know from certain members of your own group and other sources that it is not homogenous and an inner core exists (or which ever term of division you fancy) and that the normal members don't have the powers like the seers and adepts. For most, it is simply a fraternity or brotherhood.
Originally posted by EnlightenUp
IX-777 is in no way full of it in the essence of what he's talking about. Whether he's Pleiadian or not is immaterial.
Originally posted by IX-777
LowLevelMason: As a Mason you should be aware of the structure of the masonic system, as well as the difference between lodges, and between different countries and so on.
Originally posted by IX-777
Even within your own countries, such as USA, you have lodges that consider each other "good" and "bad". There are a lot of Masons that consider the Masons of lodges using the reversed pentagram as "evil" Masons - whether you are aware of that or not. Among places where the reversed pentaragram is frequently used in the lodges is the state of Texas.
Originally posted by IX-777
With "higher levels" I'm talking about those running the organizations at top level, the leaders and those whom are influencing the leaders, sometimes these are people grouped at the common level but having an agenda to overthrow and take over the system and affect it with their own desired ideologies and ideas. This is taking place in many independent lodges of these orders already, as well as at the top levels of the Grand lodges of these various Orders too.
Originally posted by IX-777
I am speaking in general now of all the orders and societies and not masons exclusively as the same goes for them all. But try look at what you are being taught and the things you perform, and try imagine what the true agenda of the Order really is - or of your local lodge, as it can vary. But certainly do not believe that your great order is "clean" and all decent, with no corruption and no hidden agendas among its members - this goes for all Orders/Fraternities/etc, and every aspect of human society.
Originally posted by IX-777
Most members are good, well except for in the case of more sinister orders that openly practices "dark arts" and such, but in the case of the ones discussed the members are mostly honest and decent people, but as you said it got some bad apples here and there, and some of those apples are very bad and have a lot of influence on the orders and their members.
Originally posted by LowLevelMason
The only thing I am afraid of is people like you, who will believe anything. I think claiming to be a mystical being to "teach" what is essentially nothing more than the tenets of the new age movement IS important.
Originally posted by LowLevelMason
Sure you do! So many people seem to know all about this mystical "inner core" that no mason has ever heard of, and yet they always fail spectacularly when it comes to asking for evidence or defining what this inner-core is.
Originally posted by LowLevelMason
Right, claiming to be something that you are not is perfectly OK - as long as it fits what you want to believe to begin with
Originally posted by EnlightenUp
Haha. Perhaps you're afraid it's all true. I said it was immaterial, not whether I believed certain details. Calling it "new age" is in error.
Originally posted by EnlightenUp
Read it again. If no Mason had ever heard of it, why would any talk about it? While I cannot detail who for obvious reasons, I assure you they are Masons but they are not the ones in the dark.
Originally posted by EnlightenUp
It is perfectly ok and has nothing to do with belief. It is subject matter I am familiar with on many levels.
My dear friend, yes it is affiliated with the Eastern Star, and there are masons and lodges whom consider this as the Evil or Dark side of masonry. Whether they are correct or not is of course another discussion, but there is no doubt it is a reversed pentagram and not just a "star" though you may freely believe that - but as a Mason you should know the importance of occult symbolism.
Regarding your autonomous orders and election terms, all I can say is that perhaps there is some corruption involved with those said elections and so called autonomous orders.
Do you even understand the deeper effects of the rituals performed, or why there are rituals in the first place?
Apply that to the so called dark arts, and the purpose would be that of using ritualistic work to gain more power and control over others - something which they do with rather good success.
If you have understood this, or believe in it at all, is rather irrelevant, as it is still practiced and effective regardless of what you may think about it.
Think for yourself and do not blindly believe all you are told within the Order and how its structure is - look a bit further on your own. Even speaking with some ex-masons could be useful for some new perspectives.
That will be my last comment on the masonic order for now as there are more interesting and useful things to address, so if I ignore further communication from you it is not to be rude or arrogant but simply because I have better things to do with more important issues and I will have to spend my time on what I find suiting my purpose of being here.