Do you fear who you are capable of becoming if the SHTF?, page 8
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reply posted on 24-11-2008 @ 02:59 AM by spitefulgod
Originally posted by spec_ops_wannabe
I would reccommend reading this item I found a while ago and posted here on ATS:
www.abovetopsecret.com...


This only bears representation in today's climate in a Sit-X climate I would think that it's all up in the air and it would be just your luck to come across the low percentile of nutters.



reply posted on 30-11-2008 @ 03:02 PM by dooper
I find it interesting the visions folks have as to what behavior they would engage in and what they wouldn't, given extreme circumstances.

We had a medic who was a conscious objector. I disagreed with his decision to not carry a weapon, but I admired his guts because he put himself in harm's way more so than the rest of us.

He would fuss at me for my . . . I guess we could call it "efficiency." He would actually get angry with me at times and we discussed our philosophical differences. Yet at all times, I admired his courage.

We got hit hard, and partially overrun. It was every man for himself there for a few moments, and in the confusion, a couple enemy got through our "lines."

I was too busy worrying about the dozen or so in front of me to worry about a couple that got behind me, and in moments it was over. We began taking stock of ourselves, checking each other, plugging wounds and so on, and I had drifted back toward the center of our small perimeter when I saw the Medic sitting on a log, covered in blood, staring at his bloody hands, holding a scapel.

He sensed my presence and with a manner of disbelief, said, "I killed them." Come to find out, these two clowns that broke through found our wounded, and were bayoneting them. The Medic was returning with another wounded man and saw what was happening to "his" wounded.

He waded in, armed with a scapel. Maybe a two-inch blade, and to use the word "butchered" would not cover what he did to these two. They were sliced and diced beyond recognition.

I looked at them and deciding to lighten the mood, replied something like, "Yep, you killed the **** out of them."

I waited a moment, and said, "Doc, we need you. We've done what we know to do. You got work to do."

Only later did we talk again, and I assured him. "Doc, we all have a breaking point. Mine's about room temperature. Now you know yours. I drop these bastards at every opportunity, you drop the same bastards at last resort. We both have our place under the sun."

Until you've experienced a really bad survival situation, you really don't know exactly what you'll do. I do know that if kids are off limits in good times, kids will be off limits in hard times.

It's those nice, quiet, peaceful little guys that never say much, go along with everyone, accommodate others at every chance that are the most fearful men on earth when the time arrives that action will not wait another moment.

Good responses by everyone.

I learned that the trick is to have a few rules that will never be broken. Not too wide-sweeping. Don't want to be forced to break a rule.

For example we had three rules. Never, ever sleep on guard duty. Never, ever hurt or rape any women captives. And never, ever, throw down on a child, since they had no choice who their parents were, much less their parents politics.

Even a couple rudimentary rules will enable you to keep a string, ever so thin, that will enable a return to civilized behavior when the moment is appropriate.

Let us all pray those moments never come.


reply posted on 22-4-2009 @ 03:21 PM by Anonymous Avatar
I have to admit this is a very very interesting thread and I think really gets down the basics of our animal nature vs. our human nature.

I am very disturbed at the lack of humanity displayed by the parents in this thread with the attitude of I will kill anyone else, innocent or not to feed my kids and ensure their survival. Such as killing someone else who might have food or water that their kids could use.

I will suggest even an elementary study of nature suggests you will not last long with such a tactic. From the humanity side of this I would suggest you should not even be allowed to survive if such is your prevailing attitude.

As a survivalist your answer already lies in nature. Look at wolves, lions, any other social animal. Females raise their kids in herds or packs and they all help out in the community. If a female lion were attempt to kill another lion to feed her kids, a few things would happen,
1.) eventually the irresponsible parent will get killed and leave their kids defenseless to the world.
2.) if the entire species attacked each other it would never survive more than a few generations.

As a human being, I would suggest it's that self-righteous and most selfish attitude where everyone only fends for themselves and their own that would lead to a sitX in the first place.

If someone else has food and water, why not make an ally and offer your help you can provide and in return they can offer food and water or teaching you the ways in which they acquired the food and water.

Would not everyone benefit from such a simple change in strategy?

I truly believe if your are willing to hurt an innocent person so easily to provide for your own kids, you will not last long. On top of that you are incredibly myopic, selfish, and irresponsible to both the innocent person and your kids and unfit to be parents.

The people who will last the longest will be those who are able to build communities where they take care of each other and help each other out.

Sorry for the harshness but people who think like that are the ones who scare me and the type of people who got us into this mess in the first place.


reply posted on 22-4-2009 @ 11:55 PM by Anonymous Avatar
reply to post by Nirgal



Exactly. Allies and community is the key to survival. I think in any given sitX the biggest problem one will face is from other human beings, sadly.
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