Once you are abducted and remember the experience you are forever brought into a new reality,and the only question left is which reality will prevail,mine as an experiencer who is aware of the powers that be or your reality which doesnt include the powers that I understand to exist.

I completely agree with you in all aspects , but there is definitely higher source beings out there.

Originally posted by one4all
Once you are abducted and remember the experience you are forever brought into a new reality,and the only question left is which reality will prevail,mine as an experiencer who is aware of the powers that be or your reality which doesnt include the powers that I understand to exist.

I would like to hear more of your opinion.

Zerra,I believe that we all create our cumulative reality each and every second of every day,our reality is like one huge living mass of jello that we have to keep on a fine tightrope.Sorry for the slightly weird analogy.

Look,all around me I hear people talking about "awakenings"and stuff like that,greater vibrations and other cool stuff.I wish I could relate to some of this stuff.

I have been abducted several times and am sure it is in my case family line oriented.I am not sure about all cases.

What I wuold like to share with you is this,please teach your loved ones this perspective.

Everything that makes up our reality is connected to time and information and communication of that information either in real time as it is happening or at a later date at a time of ones choosing.

It only takes two or more humans to begin to create a cumulative reality which empowers them to alter and manipulate their physical environment.This is called creating your own reality,the more humans that subscribe to the same perspective or reality by choice the more control over our physical environment and the greater control we have over our cumulative future reality.

With the billions of humans alive on the planet today we should have been interstellar thousands of years ago,but we arent.We arent because of ,in this order,the monetary system,our varied forms of government ,our varied forms of organised religon,the two are traditionally in league together,and because of powerful corporate and private entities with self serving agendas backed my massive amounts of economic power.

We are kept trapped in seperate and very different realities by these institutions,we all live together on this planet,but we are literally living in different realities,this is why some people die and we think it is random,well it isnt random at all.We sit across from each other and work towards what would outwardly seem like a mutual or a common cause ,BUT IN REALITY WE EACH HAVE OUR OWN INDIVIDUAL CAUSES,WE JUST NEED EACH OTHER TO KEEP THE CONTINUITY OF OUR CUMULATIVE REALITY GROWING.In otherwards we need to get along to some degree or we would destroy ourselves,we would cease to exist.

The internet has finally allowed us a forum through which every living human on earth can be identified by their name and ave their existance and vote in humanities future verified and recorded for all to see and have their actual voice heard by others to confirm their mutual participation in a cumulative reality.If we become educated about the real time condition of humans all over the world it will become our prime concern and we will change theses problems around on a global scale.We have to educate EVERY HUMAN ON EARTH IN REAL TIME RIGHT NOW IN ORDER TO CHANGE THE REALITY WE LIVE IN.

The answer has always been right in front of us.We must educate everyone at the same time to the same level with the same availability of real time accurate information,then we will have a global perspective or reality for the first time ever.

This is why the tower of Babel was created,to screw us up,if we cant communicate in real time what is happening we dont like it,so we stick with the easiest people to communicate with.In small seperate groups,protected by nutty religons based on divine entitys that grant us divine forgiveness for everything including murder.If we all have a forum of communication we all become accountable for each other,as long as we can maintain these BREAKS IN THE SHARING OF REAL TIME INFORMATION we can ignore the suffering of the rest of the planet.

When we all have the opportunity to share in a common,cumulative global reality or perspective in true educated equality we will no longer require money,government as we know it,or religon as we know it.

That simple,with only global -equal acess to information -education we can control our own destiny as a species,we literally CREATE our own group reality and erase all negative realities that are not humanitarian in nature.

six billion solar powered,sattelite fed laptops and our world will change forever,the word equality will finally be defined for humanity because it has only been through the manipulation of and the withholding of real time information and education that humanity has been controlled and manipulated into killing and harming each other and the planet.

But you see this is the one thing every conquering army does,it burns books and destroys every trace of the losing culture.Or absorbs it and accomplishes the same effect of erasing it.

True defeat is erasing their knowledge and sending them backwards in time by withholding current knowledge,keeping millions in the stone age by holding back knowledge of iron for example.

All we have to do is educate and the morality is built in because the more educated you become the more possible perspectives you can imagine and this,means that you have a greater capacity and leaning towards empathy and humanitarian direction and concern.The more you learn the more huanitarian you become by default,the less you work as a slave for dollars the more you learn about what is really happening in the world around you and the better person you will always become.

Accountability for each other on a global scale will make religons and governments extinct overnight,there will be no need for them as they exist today,they are all corrupt and misguided and manipulatively controlled by a very few powerful greedy humans at the expense of the entire planet.

The sooner we can gain a global cumulative reality the sooner we can confront realities like the people and different races that took me and have taken others. There is a Galactic war being fought right now and we are in it as a species,we just havent been told yet.As a species we are incredibly powerful when operating with a cumulative reality because we create as we go WHICH MEANS THAT WE ALSO ERASE AS WE GO.

There is great benefit to keeping us seperated and killing each other,A GREAT AND POWERFUL RACE IS KEPT PRISONER BY SUBTERFUGE AND DECIET HERE ON THIS PLANET,we are destined to unite via the internet and it will happen soon,within ten years,a global democracy.

Then we will all become aware of the many races we co-exist with,without having to feel powerless and fear them.

For me, I meant physical 'material' . As a spiritual medium, one from birth-I have much knowledge and experiences dealing with the astral/spiritual worlds. I have even observed spirit manifest in physical (Though not biological). I am however, saying that many people, including myself have experienced biological-material. I've not been taken, but met with. It's a different experience and I hope one day X 777 may be open minded for it. It is easy to tell the difference when you were born exposed to this all lol. =) It's all good though, I'm not going to argue my point longer . To each his/her own.

edit to add: the disagreement is really over him saying that if he hasn't experienced it then it's not plausible that others might have. I don'know that he needs to experience something in order for it to be true-There's too many flaws in that.

[edit on 16-11-2009 by Zerra]

Originally posted by Zerra

I do not believe they will be back in this manner for a while-but I will say, I am glad they chose daytime over night lol.

I guess i should have mentioned I was about to go to bed a little sooner.

As for training, I work as a medium, I enjoy helping others reach spiritual awareness and I like to help people by giving readings to show that there is more out there-that we are all connected spiritually. I am taught by my spirit guide and the healer/masters I work with. My memories are vivid of many lives, I do not have a religion or a group.

I hope I did not seem like I was asking for paranormal credentials LOL. I was not, and do not think anyone less in any form when it comes to the spirit world. I do find the different walks of life interesting. Like different classes of Mages.

Hope this helps answer some questions.

Well all you ET guys and gals always have stuff you can't share. rules, rules, rules.

But yeah it did help.

Thanks.

I have recently had a conversation with a friend of mine who is certain aliens exist and walk amongst us and that we from time to time get sucked into their ships for strange butt invading experiments. I have also heard such fantasies as they are breeding with us, they want our resources and the best one is they are in cahoots with our respective governments influencing our collective lives from positions of power. I ask that I may be allowed to inject a bit of sanity to these discussions.

1) THE EXISTENCE OF ALIENS. TRUE I SAY.
On a clear night take a look at the billions of stars and galaxies that surround us. Then try to say that we are the only life out here (can't do it can you). It is my opinion that there has to be millions of civilizations out there. Some more advanced then us and some that are still in their caves looking up into their sky wondering what those pin pricks of light are.

2) THEY WALK AMONGST US
Maybe their equivalent of an anthropologist could be here. But I have a hard time believing that they are going to mixers and driving cabs (apologies men in black). This just doesn't seem like a good place for a being from an advanced culture to take a holiday and be incognito. we are so very xenophobic it would be extremely dangerous for any alien to come here.

3) THEY ARE BREEDING WITH US
Hummmm alien porn. someone try to give me a logical reason to do this. I've heard such drivel as "their race is dieing",so this means you want to go really far from home and breed with beings that wouldn't have any genetic similarity with you. Naaa I don't think so. That would be a problem you would fix at home.

4) ABDUCTION
Why would I take a poor human into my ship. He or she would most likely die from trying to breath what I would call air. But I might be able to tag him or her with my idea of a transmitter so I can track him or her from orbit and follow his or hers life and it would be easier to do this in a suit then to expose my ship to a human and if I really needed a stool sample all I would have to do is show myself and collect the underwear.

5) THEY WANT OUR RESOURCES
Now lets really think about this. There is enough resources out in the belts to fuel any civilization a hundred times over and you wouldn't have to lift great weights from the bottom of a gravity well. Enough said.

6) THEY ARE COLLABORATING WITH THE GOVERNMENT
Why would an alien race get that close to a primitive society and run the risk of cultural pollution. It would mean the end of religion. Our world economy would be at risk. Our lives would change drastically over night. It could go so far as to totally destroy our culture. Look back in history at what happened every time a white man landed on a new shore, The native cultures were irrevocably changed and not always for the better. Would an advanced culture chance such a thing. nope me thinks not.

THE END OF MY STORY
As I mentioned before, the only reason I can see for an advanced civilization to have anything to do with us, is to watch us. we already have space flight and nukes. Now with the advent of string theory, we might even have a handle on gravity and how it stands with the other forces that make up our universe. Given a little more time we should have the ability to go greet our interstellar neighbours. Now if I was an advanced alien I might want to know who could be coming for tea and how to deal with them if they decide to try and flex their muscles. Our little solar system just might be a wildlife preserve and entry to this system might carry with it similar laws and penalties that protect such places on earth.

THE INEVITABLE P.S.
Channeling has been the catch phrase of false profits and greedy flim flam artists since time was time. There are literally thousands of ways to delude oneself of its validity and only the practitioners word of its reality. Believe as you will.

OK, seems there has been quite some posts here since last time I checked so I will try respond to those directed towards me.

one4all: Very well put observation, I can agree to most of your personal discovery on how the world and society works, the trap we are within, and so on. I have written some on these things on my own website under "Reality & Illusions" , my link is in my signature.

Izarith: Indeed, English is not my first language, it would be my third. I speak 3 languages on a daily basis, often 4, so some of my ways of expressing myself may be misunderstood. It gets a bit messy having to deal with 3-4 languages on a daily basis and thus mixing up ways of speaking that would make sense in one language but not the same sense in another.

When I am speaking of beings being not physical, I do not mean that the person claiming to have met a being is making it up or only imagined it, I do believe that most people whom claim such things have experienced a REAL being - but not necessarily a PHYSICAL being, in other words, for lack of better terms, lets call it a SPIRITUAL being. These beings can be observed and seen and experienced in a way that seem as physical as anything else - yet it would not be correct to call them physical as they do not come from "this" dimension, but other realities, from what is often called the Astral Planes.

Regarding astral projection as you want to know more about, you can find some on my own site in my signature, other good places are www.astraldynamics.com and The Monroe Institute - I recommend getting the "Gateway Experience" astral projection course from the Monroe Institute as it is really good. You can google this and probably "try before you buy" from torrent sites and such. I can also assist you personally with any questions you have relating to astral projection as I have been practising it for 15 years myself now. Please message me privately, as this thread will get completely off topic if I start discussing that here. Maybe I will start a thread on that topic itself as I have plenty to share on the subject.

I will shortly tell you however, when experiencing sleep paralysis, relax, and let it paralyze you more! Try make the sensations spread through your entire being, and think of your inner energy body vibrating, try feel the vibrations, and imagine yourself floating up , flying, think of swinging sensations, movement - but do not move your physical body in any way, just lie there still and think of floating, imagine yourself outside your house or bedroom, and so on - and you may suddenly find yourself floating up and out of your body. But again, please message me privately for more detailed information on this so we do not get off topic.

Also, do not worry about being rude in your explanations or questions towards me, nothing will offend me and I invite anyone to ask me anything they feel like - I am not easily offended at all, as I consider other peoples opinions or viewpoints their own and they are allowed to believe or say whatever they feel like regarding myself.

Zerra:

Again, I am not saying physical alien contact does not exist - and I want to express that with that I do mean actual "normal physical beings", in the same sense as ourselves, coming from other planets to our planet. I am however saying that from ALL I personally know about the subject, and from all personal experiences, and from all evidence I have seen - and trust me I have been involved with a lot of things relating to everything we have been discussing here including all the different explanations I have offered - those whom have followed my posts will know that I myself claim to BE an alien, and my own background is one of the reasons I do have some knowledge on the subject and how various things play out here in this world.

I am not saying I completely disbelieve you having had a true physical contact with an alien being from another planet - but if you have, I strongly believe, no - I will go as far and say i KNOW - that this is very rare and not a "common thing", and most alien contact experiences DO fall into one of my other offered explanations. The simplest explanation for this is the very fact that there are BILLIONS of more souls, spirits and entities from other non-physical realms existing around us at all times, and these are much closer to us both in terms of practical location as well as their ability to interfere with us - and because of this fact it is much more likely to be getting in contact with one of these entities rather than physical alien beings from other planets.

These beings also are quite often deceivers, making people believe that they are something else than what they really are. This can vary from manipulating people to make them believe they are gods, angels, demons, ascended masters, aliens, and so on. Or more simple things as pretending to be a diseased family member during events like ouija board sessions and such.

So, I am experienced with what I am speaking of, and I do know physical aliens exist and I have seen physical aliens myself at several occassions. I simply have not seen any real evidence of them coming here visiting like many believe. I have however seen mind control techniques, brainwashing, and staged contacts - and I have seen that these methods of contact are rather common, and are used by other beings, including beings working with the rulers of the world, our governments and such, to gain various forms of control, power and influence over the human population.

With "staged contacts" I also refer to any alien contact that is of spiritual origin but seem to be physical for the observer. In some cases these spiritual contacts acutally are as close to a physical alien contact as they can get, because a person may get in contact with the SPIRIT of an alien entitiy whom either used to be alive physically, or still is alive physically in another location - meaning another planet, as they are able to astral project and so on just like we are. It is possible to communicate with physical alien beings on other planets through psychic means, and it is being done by various groups, organizations, fractions of the governments, and private people.

I am a bit unsure of why you can not agree that physical alien contact is a rare phenomena if it happens at all, considering the extreme lack of any evidence of such, and the rather large evidence of other phenomenas being responsible for these experiences. (continues)

(continued from above last post)

But regardless, as I have said, I am open for the possibility of your experience being a real physical alien contact - I do not pretendt to know everything, and I have stated that it is possible that this do happen in some rare cases. To me, these cases will have to remain rare due to all the evidence I have seen on all the other causes for such experiences.

The reason I am asking you to tell your story is simply because I am quite interested in the topic, and researching these things, and always interested in hearing peoples personal experiences - I am not asking you to prove anything, I am simply curious about the actual experience itself and how it unfolded and what happened etc. I will leave it for you to decide whether it was physical alien contact or not, and for myself to decide what I believe it was, without commenting more on that - and yet again I will say that for all I know, it might have been a real physical alien experience you had, and I am not trying to discredit you in any way, I have just offered my personal viewpoints from my personal deep involvement with these things and explained the reasons why I believe such cases must be extremely rare.

All love and peace and full respect intended my friend!

-Maggador

Izarith:

Yes, through soul travel to Earth I incarnated into a physical human body due to a mission I assigned myself to carry out here. This happened long time ago, several thousands of years, close to 10 000, and since then I have had many bodies, and in between physical incarnations I have been many places, including my "home world". But even that world is not my true home world, just as this world is not the true home world of anyone here - we all originate from elsewhere, both physically, and spiritually, and spiritual form goes beyond physical and came before the physical manifestation occured. Even my ancient alien body itself is of relation to physical humans on Earth as we share common ancestors, have common origins. But some of us, meaning "us" as in members of our intergalactic family, have "ascended" - meaning evolved into pure spiritual form, and gained further insight and knowledge and experience than we could ever have had in physical bodies alone, and because of that we have chosen to help and assist those still in physical bodies, as well as other entities whom do not have any physical body but still are at a lower level of self-realization.

This does not mean that we consider ourselves better in any way than you, or look at ourselves as some great masters, or want you to worship or follow us. We simply consider you our younger brothers and sisters, and want to help you across the road, as you hopefully would help your own brother or sister across the road. In essence, we are all the same, and we all come from the same source, and we all will return to the same.

Zerra: Interesting to hear you have taken part of galactic wars in the past, I have had my share of experience with such myself. There are still such wars going on between different races around in the universe, and there are many levels of development between the races. Those whom have ascended - sorry for using such a cliche term, but most will understand its meaning - have chosen to help and assist those still in physical form and lower level of development. True freedom and understanding really comes when we separate from the physical universe and continue our lives in the higher planes of existence, but even there you will find many worlds of war, deceit, lies and illusions, there are endless worlds through endless planes, but the higher you reach the more pure, honest and truthful it becomes, the more clear everything will be, and true goodness, fellowship, love and compassion is found along with true understanding and experience of the real Higher Self and Oneness of Being.

I am also glad to hear you too work for the better good of others , that is truly a blessing that more people should participate in.

rev246:
I will address the different points you list, from my own perspective and experience, so take no offense if I do not agree with you or suggest other possible explanations that might seem more plausible to me.

1. - I can for certain say this is true. Being of otherwordly origin myself I know this for a fact, and I have seen and experienced alien beings on other planets.

2. - The do walk among us , but not in physical form (to my knowledge) but in spiritual form, or in human form as myself - meaning that they have incarnated into a human body to easily blend in as normal everyday people.

3. - No I have not seen any evidence of physical breeding between human beings and other beings from other planets. As a sidenote I may add that it is very common to experience sexual experiences with other beings in the astral realms though, and these can often seem as real as anything. But this is in spirit form and not physical and happens when a person is out of his body, atral projecting. This explains many of the sexual related experiences people have had with alien beings.

4. - I again have to refer to my previously mentioned explanations on the alien contact and abduction phenomena. To put it short, I have not seen any evidence on this happening, and if physical alien abduction happens it must be extremely rare cases. Non-physical, or spiritual contact, with other beings however is quite common and explains a lot of the "alien contact" cases. For a large part this relates to astral projection and psychic sight etc, but also other things from mind control, to magical attacks and much more.

5. - I agree to your theory on this one, I see no reason anyone would travel that far to get "resources".

6. - On this one I have to disagree - but this will be somewhat of a matter of interpretation of what "alien collaborating" would include, as in my case I can tell you that I know from experience and observation and personal involvement with various matters that the governments DO work with other beings, but these are non-physical, meaning they are spiritual entities, entities from other dimensions. They seem to actually be worshipping certain powerful spiritual entities as their Gods, and basically follow their command and carry out various agendas for these spiritual beings. If you study occult symbolism and such, you will find their signature all over the world, and even the Vatican is part of this, if not the biggest brick in the whole puzzle when it comes to spiritual contact and collaboration with - in my opinion - negative spiritual entities causing negative effects upon the human population.

Regarding channeling, it is indeed dangerous and something one should either avoid or be very cautious with, and certainly not blindly believe what one are told by any beings during such a channeling. Basically it is not different from listening to any random person you meet and believing whatever this person is telling you. In fact it can be more deceiving, as the entities channeling can easily pretend to be something else than what they really are, such as angels, aliens, higher beings, ascended masters, gods, and so on. Many have been fooled, and still are being fooled, by such entities.

Blessings,
-Maggador