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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 12:46 PM by Cairowoman
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Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by Cairowoman
All my windows are sealed off with plastic...hey its winter and it helps to keep the cold out....saves on money and saves from anthrax!
Sure, that will really save you from anthrax. Also, don't forget to put the tinfoil hat on. That will save you from the alien invasion. Oh, wait,
this is the wrong forum for that. 
LOL I am glad you enjoyed my post...ALIENS? holy crap! Now where did I put my Reynolds Wrap?
All we can do is really get our hands on extra tetracycline and other antibiotics. Keep your extras --it may be worth a whole lot real soon......
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 02:13 PM by lawlb0t
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Anyone know of any Alternative medicine for anthrax?
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 02:14 PM by warrenb
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 02:47 PM by Cairowoman
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 02:49 PM by warrenb
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np
What Herbs Have Antibiotic Effect Against Bacillus anthracis:
Huang Lian (Rhizoma Coptidis) has a broad spectrum antibiotic effect against Bacillus dysenteriae, Mycobacterium tuberculosis, Salmonella typhi, E.
Coli, Vibrio Cholerae, Bacillus proteus, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Diplococcus meningitidis, Staphylococcus aureus, beta hemolytic streptococcus,
Diplococcus pneumoniae, Corynebacterium diphtheriae, Bordetella pertussis, Bacillus anthracis, and Leptospira. 26
Huang Bai (Cortex Phellodendri) has demonstrated moderate antibiotic effect against Staphylococcus aureus, Diplococcus pneumoniae, Corynebacterium
diphtheriae, Bacillus dysenteriae, beta-hemolytic streptococcus, Diplococcus meningitidis, Vibrio cholerae, and Bacillus anthracis. 27, 28
Qing Dai (Indigo Pulverata Levis) in decoction has inhibitory influence against Staphylococcus aureus, Bacillus anthracis and Vibrio cholerae. 29
Qing Hao (Herba Artemisiae Annuae) has been shown to inhibit Staphylococcus aureus, Neisseria catarrhalis, Bacillus anthracis, Corynebacterium
diphtheriae, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Bacillus dysenteriae, and Mycobacterium tuberculosis. 30
Yin Chen Hao (Herba Artemisiae) in decoction has a varying degree of inhibitory effectiveness against such pathogens as Mycobacterium tuberculosis,
Corynebacterium diphtheriae, Bacillus anthracis, Salmonella typhi, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, E. coli, Bacillus dysenteriae, Bacillus subtilis,
Staphylococcus aureus, Diplococcus meningitidis, and influenza virus. 31
Dong Chong Xia Cao (Cordyceps Sinensis) has been shown to have antibiotic effect against Staphylococcus aureus, Bacillus anthracis, and some
dermatophytes. 32
Huang Qi (Radix Astragali Membranacei) has been shown to inhibit the activity of Bacillus dysenteriae, Bacillus anthracis, beta-hemolytic
streptococcus, Corynebacterium diphtheriae, Diplococcus pneumoniae, and Staphylococcus aureus. 33
Du Zhong (Cortex Eucommiae Ulmoidis) decoction has inhibitory effect on Staphylococcus aureus, Bacillus dysenteriae, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Bacillus
anthracis, Diplococcus pneumoniae, and beta-hemolytic streptococcus. 34
Ding Xiang (Flos Caryophylli) is effective against Vibrio cholerae, Bacillus anthracis, Salmonella typhi, Corynebacterium diphtheriae, Bacillus
dysenteriae, E. coli, Bacillus subtilis, and Staphylococcus aureus. 35
Tian Men Dong (Tuber Asparagi Cochinchinensis) in decoction has an inhibitory effect against Bacillus anthracis, alpha-hemolytic streptococcus,
beta-hemolytic streptococcus, Diplococcus pneumoniae, Staphylococcus aureus, Corynebacterium diphtheriae, and Bacillus subtilis. 36
Wu Wei Zi (Fructus Schisandrae Chinensis) in alcohol extract has an inhibitory effect in vitro against Staphylococcus aureus, Bacillus anthracis,
Salmonella typhi, Bacillus dysenteriae, Diplococcus pneumoniae, Vibrio cholerae, and Pseudomonas aeruginosa. 37
Jing Jie (Herba seu Flos Schizonepetae Tenuifoliae) in decoction has shown anti-microbial effect against Staphylococcus aureus, Corynebacterium
diphtheria, Bacillus anthracis, beta streptococcus, Salmonella typhi, Bacillus dysenteriae, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, and Bacillus tuberculi. 38
Gao Liang Jiang (Rhizoma Alphiniae Officinari) has an inhibitory effect on Bacillus anthracis, Corynebacterium diphtheriae, Diplococcus pneumoniae,
Salmonella typhi, Staphylococcus aureus, beta-hemolytic streptococcus, and Mycobacterium tuberculosis hominis. 39
Xuan Fu Hua (Flos Inulae) in decoction has an inhibitory effect against Staphylococcus aureus, Bacillus anthracis, and Bacillus dysenteriae.
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 03:10 PM by lawlb0t
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Thanks.
I think something is going to happen, but they have so many options. Just be prepared I guess. lol.
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 03:12 PM by Anonymous ATS
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reply to post by wintermarches
Anthrax is a small bio weapon that the media has made into a big deal and when the military thinks numbers of bio weapons killing people!! they brush
of anthrax and say that local law enforcment will handle that situation while military personal will do heavier # like Radiation weapons.
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 04:06 PM by Valhallas Butler
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WHOOOA BOYS!!! WHOOOOOOAAAA, I SAY!
All of you aboard the consipiracy wagon take a deep breath and have someone grab the reins and slow the horses.
Yes. First Responders such as Police Officers are on the list to receive meds to fight things such as Anthrax, before the general public. This is
happening all over the country not just in your home state/city. The reason is because everyone now realizes that an attack of a biological weapon is
a possibility (and not just because of a terrorist threat). While many have always known this, it became common knowledge following the Anthrax
attacks of 2001. So, trying to get one step ahead of the problem the Government decided to start pre-planning.
Imagine this: There is an Anthrax attack in MiddleTown, USA. Hundreds of people are sick, thousands think they are sick because they watched the
news and felt a tickle in their nose. Where do they go? What do they do? They go to the hospital...in droves...some infected some not. They
overwhelm the hospital and it hits capacity within hours and must lock the doors in order to be able to accomplish ANYTHING. Now there are citizens
being turned away. They all charge the next hospital, and clinic, and Fire Department aid station, because they all want to live and they want their
families to live. Within hours there is chaos in the streets.
Who controls that chaos? oh...wait a sec...I know this one...THE POLICE!!
Yes. The police HAVE to be innoculated against whatever bio weapon there is before anyone else so that they can, as always, put themselves out there
on the front lines to try and control the citizens who cannot think and act rationally. If the police were not vaccincated first, and they went out
there and contacted those who were really infected, and in turn became infected themselves....who is left to stand on the Thin Blue Line?
This is simply good emergency planning on the part of the Government. And yes there are plans to help the citizens but if most were told that "the
Warehouse on 1st street is where we are keeping the secret serum..." it would take about 13 seconds for the aforementioned chaos to storm the
warehouse and the first 100 in would steal, horde, fight over, kill, maim for all of the meds before anyone else recieved any. And again, it's the
police who are controlling this site.
Sorry to derail your Conspiracy Hay Ride here....
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 05:01 PM by summerdreary
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I think that change is in the air... but, just to note, people throught history have thought the world was going to end, sold there houses and
clothes, and pretty much sat waiting to die. So, as much as I think that something is going to happen, I can't help but think that maybe, just maybe,
the regular world will just keep on going in the same rate it always has. But, the evidence is damning...
We were all born into a time of change, and transistion. I think that each I've heard someone say that our founding father, would have loved to face
the kind of challenge we face today, as members of the human race. of us has a part in making our own new world order...who knows though? It may be to
late by the time we smarten up and start to fight back. As someone once said, "Do not think that a small group of people cannot change the world.
Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."
Also, another one to keep in mind the poet (literaly, ahaha) once said, "The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who in time of great
moral crises maintain their neutrality."
Enough with qoutes. Theres been so many doomsday books and movies...it makes you wonder if some of them are warnings? Also, it makes you wonder if
some are warning us...an example from Alex Jones... www.infowars.com...
Also, I saw two of these bad boys go down a side-road next to my high school while I was waiting outside, alone. It was rather scary- the back was a
cage with soilders inside, and I'm pretty sure they were armed.
images.jpmagazine.com... I don't know why these would be going through my
town...the only thing I can think of is that they must have been taking a side route to Portland.
Wether it be antrax, biological warfare, or what...history and life is a series of highs and lows. Were going to have some very, very low points, but
I also hope we will have some very very high points afterward. Afterall, I don't want to die not accomplishing anything.
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 05:11 PM by xynephadyn
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This Anthrax scare stuff is just REDICULOUS! I lived in Washington DC at the time of 911, saw the pentagon with a huge black hole in it, two of my
friends relatives died at the pentagon, and I worked at the NRA all the while- Anthrax scares were everywhere. Everytime I opened up the mail at NRA
I was told to watch out for white powder. And it never happened. The fear, im sure, is from people who never actually had to endure Anthrax scares.
But Anthrax isnt going to be the problem.
The paranoia of an Anthrax scare on a large scale is really rediculous. Why? Because Anthrax doesent spread like a virus. They can do so much more
with TB and Smallpox. For all those that think SmallPox is no big deal, have you looked at what happens to the body when You get small pox? I would
wish for death before ever contracting that disease.
emergency.cdc.gov...
www.who.int...
www.idph.state.il.us...
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 06:36 PM by lorehorrible
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I live in Cleveland, OH and nothing good ever happens here. I mean, our lake caught on fire. So if something really bad happens here, I won't be
surprised. But I sure as hell will be screwed because I'm still without my ham radio, let alone my license to ham. Crapshaith.
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 08:10 PM by wintermarches
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Originally posted by Cairowoman
Not to add to the fear but check out this link. The title is "Information about Military and Civilian
Biodefense/Terrorism Countermeasures, vaccines, laws and policies...scroll down and check out the October posts.....scary!
The above link implies that the anthrax emergency was declared so more vaccine could be sold for profit.
If DHHS simply planned to stockpile more anthrax vaccine, its purchase would just be another example case of government waste. The current
stockpile is expiring at a rate of $10 million per month, as pointed out by GAO last year.
www.washingtonpost.com...
But DHHS had bigger plans than this. It eyed a new market for the vaccine, one that might double or quadruple the amount of vaccine now used by the
military, justifying a new manufacturing plant that Emergent is building in Maryland. There are up to 3 million “First Responders” in the US:
Police, Firefighters, Emergency Medical
Technicians and others. Maybe they could profitably use the vaccine, since they might someday face an anthrax emergency.
Cairowoman, this doesn't necessarily add to the fear for me. This initially decreased my fear, at least for anthrax, because it means the
preparations were more likely for the Bush administration to get some last-minute profit before they go. Thank you for this information. I had seen
Dr. Nass's blog, from which the quote appears to be taken, but I hadn't read enough to understand that the motivation for the anthrax emergency
declaration might be financial. The part that was clear to me was that there were provisions made for liability protection in the administration of
the vaccines.
I still wonder, though, if an anthrax attack would conveniently show up and the vaccine would have been for what appears to be good reason. That way
profit is made *and* first responders are "protected" (insomuch as they don't get terribly ill from the vaccine, which has happened before, hence
the liability waivering).
In any case, due to the other general terror/biological warnings, I continue to suspect the attack could happen from a more easily caught and spread
germ, like smallpox. That's because the only items on my list of concerns in this thread that are anthrax-specific are: the postal pilot test, the
fake anthrax letters, the anthrax detection technology (purchase) orders, and maybe the spotted TV mentions of anthrax possibilities. You could add to
that the first responder vaccine provision. I'll keep my eyes open to all possibilities, with a goal of broad emergency preparedness.
(edited several times, mostly due to the edit function malfunctioning, sorry)
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 08:52 PM by Cairowoman
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NO! YOU MISSED THE POINT THAT THEY ARE LETTING MILLIONS OF DOSES EXPIRE....THE NEW DOSES ARENT READY YET!
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 09:07 PM by Symbiote
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On a related note, a good relatively inexpensive source of antibiotics is available at most aquarium stores:
tetracycline
erythromycin
I have used them for pneumonia several times over the years and never had to see a doctor over it.
Disclaimer: I am not a doctor, and the boxes usually say "not approved for human consumption" so your mileage may vary.
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 09:23 PM by wintermarches
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Originally posted by Cairowoman
NO! YOU MISSED THE POINT THAT THEY ARE LETTING MILLIONS OF DOSES EXPIRE....THE NEW DOSES ARENT READY YET!
Ohhh... oops. Here I thought it was a big deal that they were trying to make money off the vaccines.
Expiring vaccines could be a problem for the first responders, couldn't it? 
More reading for me to do, because I've gotten more confused now!
I mean, I read that they were expiring but wasn't concerned because we've been told there is no actual anthrax emergency. Yes, we have other reason
to suspect there may be one coming. Still, if the vaccine stockpile increase was for profit in time of no actual emergency, then is there cause for
much concern other than if the emergency was declared shortly before the real emergency to come? Is that why you're worried about expiring
vaccines?
Maybe I just need to get something to eat here before I get back on the forum. 
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 09:54 PM by Cairowoman
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No problem. Before I posted the info I had to re read it because I got it a few weeks ago. When I first read it, I was like yeah look at Bush and
his buddies making some extra cash....then, when I read it again in relation to this thread....I was like OH NOOOOOOOO!
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 11:05 PM by gizmohd
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I was in the Navy for 8 years.. .and during that time I was given the four shot cycle of the Anthrax vaccine... I'm wondering if that course of drugs
caused some of the many maladies I suffer from now.. Who knows.. I wonder if I'm even protected now if anything really were to happen???
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 11:33 PM by ShadowMaster
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Originally posted by gizmohd
I was in the Navy for 8 years.. .and during that time I was given the four shot cycle of the Anthrax vaccine... I'm wondering if that course of drugs
caused some of the many maladies I suffer from now.. Who knows..
I know a fellow that recieved four Anthrax shots in a short amount of time. He went into convulsions and a coma. He is now 40% disabled from that.
Other members of his squad either had the same things happen or worse-they died. So, yes it is quite possible.
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reply posted on 20-11-2008 @ 11:43 PM by Cairowoman
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Originally posted by ShadowMaster
Originally posted by gizmohd
I was in the Navy for 8 years.. .and during that time I was given the four shot cycle of the Anthrax vaccine... I'm wondering if that course of drugs
caused some of the many maladies I suffer from now.. Who knows..
I know a fellow that recieved four Anthrax shots in a short amount of time. He went into convulsions and a coma. He is now 40% disabled from that.
Other members of his squad either had the same things happen or worse-they died. So, yes it is quite possible.
GizmoHD and Shadowmaster take a look at the link I posted above it talks about that....
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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 12:01 AM by wintermarches
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You might want to go to Dr. Meryl Nass's pages. She has tons of information there. She gave expert testimony before
Congress in 2001 regarding the anthrax letters, and also provides free videoconferencing for soldiers with questions about mandatory anthrax and
smallpox vaccines.
Here's a snippet for you from an entry of hers in The American Journal of
Public Health in 2002:
My pretrial testimony at the court-martial of CPT John Buck, MD, was supported by 65 exhibits, primarily government documents, that proved the
vaccine had never demonstrated human safety or effectiveness, nor was licensed for its current use. [...]
Furthermore, despite the Defense Department’s continued denials, in May the Department of Veterans’ Affairs made adverse reactions from anthrax
vaccine a compensable cause of disability.
This is 6 years old, so there very well may be updated data out there about the safety and effectiveness of the vaccine. I don't have time to
research more tonight, but you may find the information you seek on Dr. Nass's sites. I'm no doctor, but if I were you I would definitely consider
the possibility that the vaccine caused what you think it did. Also, from what I read, this vaccine was a prime cause of Gulf War Syndrome. There was
a study or analysis (don't have the details in front of me at the moment) done comparing French soldiers under the same conditions as American ones,
including other supposed causes of that illness. The French soldiers didn't get the vaccine, and they didn't get Gulf War Syndrome.
I hope you're able to find answers and some solutions for what has happened.
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