National Troop Mobilization.....Holy Crap

reply to post by Anonymous ATS

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Something is definitely going on at Fort Drum. I figure that as the likely location of last month's Generals Only Hunting Trip. (Officially they went to the Whiteface Lodge in Lake Placid). I figure that because they went out of their way NOT to have the generals land at Fort Drum- the runway at the airport they flew into isn't really big enough for the 757 they came in on

That little hunting trip just happened to coincide with Colin Powell Joe Biden and Pretty much everyone else saying the stuff was heading for the fan, andBush calling Obama in for a terrorism briefing.

And Fort Drum is home to more than just 10th Mountain. The Field Support Center/Logistics Assistance Office is responsible for the logistics of army units in 9 North-Eastern States



In my opinion, all signs point to either an unprecedented threat or major false-flag op somewhere in the North East (New York is a traditional favorite).
But enough to warrant a general mobilization? I don't think anything short of an attack using a persistent or contagious biologic would require that.

Ultimately my feeling is that although something is going on, full mobilization is highly unlikely, if only because it requires congressional approval. There probably will be more IRR callups, but this is probably getting exagerated somewhere in the grapevine.

[edit on 19-11-2008 by The Vagabond]

reply to post by The Vagabond

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martial law bypasses congress, does it not?

Ahem - BS!

However, I would go back in if they sent me to flight school.

I don't know if you're familiar with the war prophesied in Ezekiel 38-39, but you just listed some of the players. And the war hasn't happened yet.

Yes and no. Martial law has absolutely zero constitutional standing, EXCEPT that habeus corpus may be suspended in case of rebellion or invasion- no hostile army on US soil equals nothing even close to martial law on US soil. Even then, it can't trump congress because it is HEAVILY implied by the placement of that clause in Article One that only Congress can suspend habeus corpus when the qualifying circumstances exist.

There simply is no such thing as martial law in the United States. I dont mean it can't happen, I mean it wouldn't be "law"; it would just be "martial"- just a bunch of guys with guns breaking the rules, ie: a riot. Thus all involved would be subject to arrest and prosecution.

The movie The Siege wasn't that far off. If martial law were attempted, the courts could order the arrest of the military commanders involved, and it would be no different than with any other criminal- the only thing that would save them from jail would be to shoot it out with the cops and win- because nothing in the law protects them.

Nobody would be dumb enough to challenge us. We would destroy any challenger. Anybody would lost handedly to us. China, Iran, whatever. Bye bye. If I'm wrong than I don't wanna know it.

I'm not war mongering. I'm simply stating that if you guys think China or Iran is dumb enough to fight us you're mistaking. They know who runs the show. We would have them eating at our feet.

Russia is the only one we wouldn't want to really battle. And I think we have a good relationship with Russia at least we there is a mutual respect.

Talk about the Soviet Union collapsing all you want, Russia is still our biggest threat and ally.

reply to post by ConservativeJack

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China would kick the US's ass back to the stone age. Their population is so huge they could take over easily.

Check this list of countries by army size
en.wikipedia.org...

China is #1 on the list.

Well, they do have more people, but we have more stuff. In fact, we have lots and lots of stuff. I guess it would come down to invasion? You need more people for an invasion, right?

reply to post by The Vagabond

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www.globalsecurity.org...


Presidential Reserve Call-up (PRC) The President has the authority to involuntarily augment the active forces by a call-up of up to 200,000 members of the selected reserve for a period up to 270 days to meet mission requirements within the continental United States (CONUS) or overseas. The President must notify Congress within 24 hours and state the reason for his action.

Partial Mobilization The President has the authority to mobilize no more than 1,000,000 reservists (units and individuals from all services), for 24 months or less, and the resources needed for their support to meet the requirements of war or other national emergency involving an external threat to national security.

Full Mobilization Congress must declare that a state of national emergency exists to call up all forces, including Army Reserve and Army National Guard units, Individual Ready Reserve, Standby Reserve and members of the Retired Reserve, and the resources required for their support. The duration is the length of the emergency plus six months.

Total Mobilization Once a state of national emergency exists, Congress can extend full mobilization by activating and organizing additional units beyond the currently approved force structure. Total mobilization brings the industrial base up to full capacity to provide the additional resources, equipment and production facilities needed to support the armed forces of the nation, as done in World War II. Total mobilization involves not only the AC and RC but the entire Militia of the United States. The Militia of the United States consists of the Organized Militia and the Unorganized Militia. The Organized Militia consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia.

The Unorganized Militia consists of every able-bodied male citizen or person wishing to be a citizen between the ages of 17 and 45 as well as female members of the National Guard. Exceptions to this are: The Vice President, Judicial & Executive officers of the United States, territories and Puerto Rico; postal employees/contractors; custom house agents; workers in armories, arsenals and naval shipyards; pilots on navigable waterways and mariners in the sea service of a citizen, or a merchant in, the United States.

reply to post by The Vagabond

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Can either of you guys that posted about Fort Drum. Provide additional information far as visual and dates?

It's one thing to have a huge army and another to have the means to mobilize them on a foreign land separated by a huge body of water.

I think at least half that army would defect on arrival, the others will die fast.
No offense to many of them, but they would be dog food. Yes, they would advance far but will be demoralized very quickly.

The nukes are a problem in any case but I believe much of that would be contained quickly.

As with everything they build over there, their nukes are just cheaper versions and are about as reliable as their cheap knock offs of every other type. Half of their soldiers would probably have failed melamine poisoned kidneys by the time the boats are untied from their docks. I don't mean that in a bigoted sort of way either, just stating facts.

I think the chance of the USA being attacked ( invaded ) by another country in a non nuclear event is pretty much zilch, but if the US were to attack even IRAN then i'm fairly sure they would at least attempt to defend themselves. China is a force to be reckoned with as is Russia and are both too big for anyone to destroy without going nuclear & that would result in everyone being destroyed. I think your right about Russia though, although they could potentially be the biggest threat both nations do respect eachother despite what the media try's to imply. I think the USA's biggest threat comes from the backlash from being drawn into conflicts it doesnt really want to, which stretches it's resources, cost's hundreds of billions of dollars and makes them targets for potential terrorist attacks. Of course that could be deliberate as part of the master plan. Who know's? I'm in the Uk so it will be intersting to see what happens here should things start developing over there!

HA.. We have more armed civilians that are better marksmen then they have foot soldiers. I promise you are underestimating the american populations ability to defend itself. I would estimate 30 million armed resistors in the US. It would be suicide for any country to attack the US with conventional forces.

reply to post by LeaderOfProgress

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I assume that you are assuming they wont use bio/chemical weapons to wipe out all the pesky resistance?

A total lie.

That's all this story is, a total lie.

How the hell can any of you believe this kind of crap? Just because someone says it, does not make it so.

Hey China lover:

About 35 Neutron Bombs would take care of China's military. Their people can't do a damn thing without a military. And we have the capability to elimante their military.

They also do not have the capability to move their armed forces across an ocean.

Size doesn't mean a damn thing in modern warfar. Obviously, you know nothing about war, weapons or anything else.

Thanks for the laugh. Sounds like you were in the military so you should already know. If they call people back there not going to send them to an expensive flight school. You will more then likely go to Infantry, field artillery, or MP school. My bets are on the ground ponders.

How long can you be out, and they wont call you back. This is very worrisome if true, my dad is retired military. But he retired in 91, from the military but at a younger age then most. I hope they wont call him back. But if he gets anything I will let you know.

I'm no expert, but listening to you all gloating about how mighty the U.S. is in it's military power is quite amusing. It's wonderful jumping on the glory boat isn't it. ''Oh yeah, we'll just make mince meat out of em' ''.

Firstly, as a country, I think your leaders are more concerned about the financial state of it's future folks, not how to combat a possible invasion. To be honest, I can't see any country prepared to invade the U.S. for a number of reasons and secondly, there's nothing of real benefit to any country if it did.

The ''powers that be'' certainly have spent the U.S. of everything good that's about it. Unfortunately, it's this sort of high and mighty drivel that annoys the rest of us in this world about SOME attitudes from you folks over the pond.

Please, for goodness sake, be real about it.

PEACE.