o but we can prove washington existed. there are many histroical texts written by many people aswell as first hand accounts of seeing or meeting him.


give me one historical document from that time that mentions jesus. besides a religious book so no torah koran or bible.

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So are you saying you had personal communion with God and God told you the birthday was in fact December 25th?

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no I dont think so , it goes deeper than that. It is to hard to explain
for one to hear the holy spirit to the unbeleivers.
I don't know if anyone can comprehend the holy spirit, it is a personal thing.

Dude since when did church become synoymous with state ?

Yes there's something going on , people in the 21st century are far less likely to believe in invisible beards in the sky.


I don't know where your getting this hate from, are christians now showing tendancies toward paranoia as well as delusion ?


Believe whatever you want to belive dude, but don't force it on non believers they've had enough, or they will point out your delusion.Then you will throw your dummy in the dirt and not post anymore, boo hoo

Here's some questions for you, enjoy the vid

YouTube Link

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I really struggle with this. Let's believe that Jesus was real and the stories in the bible are true.

Generally he seems a good egg but he has his lapses (not what I would expect from the son of God):

1. Miracle of the wedding at Canae - did he really need to provide more wine? Wouldn't it be better if he gave a good speech rather than give all the pople kidney failure.

2. He went into Jerusalem on adonley with palm leaves eminating David doing something similar before becoming king. This was inflamatory an had nothing really to do with him saving "all of us" - it was his selfish political ambitions

3. Saving Barabus - what was that about -why him and no-one else?

4. Turning over the tables for the money lenders - this was an act that wnet on forever so why did Jesus make a scene

What I am trying to show is - do people really study the bible critically a any other document / oreven as an historical account? or does the indoctrination run so deep that only the good can be seen.

And why did he need magical powers, Mother Theresa never needed any tricks (unlike David Blaine)

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Can i ask you why this has to be done in your fashion. Your not Jesus! You dont make the calls. This is not up to you. You dont have a say in this mater. Your opinion dont mean anything. Your going to be judged on your knowledge and opinion when your day comes.

This is all part of a sequence you sure dont know to much about.

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Here is another video. LoL

It is realy good. He dose have a lot of good points.

YouTube Link

I never met the man.
He seemed like a swell hippie dude.
Whatever happened to him?!
Didn't he run off and get married to that Mary gal?
She was a sweetheart.
Ahhh, the good ol' days. When the air was clean, the dirt was fresh
and the water was wine.

This is what happened to me. I gave up hating on Christianity for my own reasons and opened my mind to it. I felt it was bull#, but after just biting my tongue and listening to the message and living it, I got what you cant get any other way. You do get enlightened.
I have a pretty solid idea of what I believe is what is going on in the overall picture now, but I'm still finding more and more.

i dont think any one hates jesus that ignorant becuase you can teven prove if the man or woman existed and or what he or she did so how can you hate something that you have no truthful provable information about; now many people hate christianity and organized religions of any sort and they imo have a great amount of "evidence" to do so, i mean i think there is no reason to hate something that may or may not of existed that like tryna hate the easter bunny

the main reason i think people hate christianity/catholicism is because theres no proof and the fact that jesus is an alogory for the sun and most of the storys of jesus revolve around astrological sequences and christianity/catholicism is just a rip off of pagan religions which is were we get christmas easter and all the stories about jesus from the trinity to the virgin birth to the resurrection

so imo i dont hate jesus i just hate people that blindly believe in jesus with out proof and not even hate because i accept it as their beliefs

and dont even give me that whole the devil went back in time to test our faith

Another long thread I haven't read all of, so at the risk of repetition...I don't hate Jesus but I don't like the idea of woshiping another human being. I believe in God but I don't believe Jesus was anything other than a small-time apoclayptic cult leader with twelve followers. When a human being asks his followers to consider him a living god, you are edging into Charles Manson/David Koresh territory there.

I don't hate Jesus but he's not exactly a barrel of laughs is he? It seems to me that once someone has to threaten you with eternal damnation in the firey pits of hell to make you follow them then is that person really worth following? I guess I don't like being preached to. . . I also believe that if Jesus did return to earth the very first thing he would do is disown the catholic church.