Originally posted by crazyjames65
this is my beleif:
Christmas was orignally Jesus birthday and now commercialized to be
a santa thing, and presents ect ect.
I guess that would be the church and state seperation thing, but why ask
a nativity seen be taken down if we were not under attack by some people
who hate Jesus.

well it time for more coffee and my peter-pan sandwich

Woah! Wrong on multiple fundamental levels!
Christmas was originally a pagan festival, Saturnalia, which led up to the most important festival of Sol Invictus on Dec 25th! You really need to look at the history of Christianities assimilation of cultures and religion.
Even your battle between between good and evil was stolen from Zoroaster, never mind the Egyptians, Assyrians, Greeks and a multitude of Pagan beliefs. You, like the vast majority, have absolutely no idea about your religions history.
And for the record, Santa is a modern construct, taken from the stories of multiple pagan figures, and most recently, Saint Niclaus (St. Nicholas). He gave away 3 presents of money (secret gifts) to a man in his town, who had 3 daughters who were prostitutes, but they didn't have a dowry with which to give to obtain a husband, and stop being prostitutes. That is the origination of the (secret) present giving. His original color, green, was an aspect of his pagan heritage, as well as the symbols of the mistletoe, holly, and the evergreen tree. The modern color, red and white, was used in the early part of the 20th century by coca-cola for a long running advertising campaign, and has stuck ever since.
The more you know....

[edit on 20-11-2008 by cruzion]

I think I went and killed another thread

sorry OP... I don't do it on purpose...

Originally posted by nj2day
I think I went and killed another thread

sorry OP... I don't do it on purpose...

Maybe most were hoping for:

I don't think this was intended to be a podium to bash religions, or to try and press people's beliefs...

A podium to bash religions and religious belief!

apparently LOL

I've never cleared a thread by pushing everyone to stay on topic before lol

This is a new one for me if that is true

its time for my peter-pan sandwitch umm I am hungry, lol

F. Forrester Church: Religion is the human response to being alive and having to die.

Originally posted by crazyjames65
All religious people are starting to be critisized for our beleifs. Yes I see
it happening and it is not funny.
I am not going to make fun of others beleifs here so I would like the same respect please.

thank you

As long as your beliefs cause you to act like an a$$ to your fellow man, then you should be criticized.

If your beliefs cause you to "love thy neighbor" than I find your belief to be a great one. That is because it demands a lot of you. It demands that you love your neighbor regardless of what he is doing. If your neighbor strikes you, then you should turn the other cheek. If your neighbor asks you for clothing, you should give him he shirt off of your back.

It's so tough to really believe the love thy neighbor portion that most Christians have forgotten it altogether. Truly I have yet to see a Christian love their neighbors when their neighbors happen to be Gay or living together out of wedlock, or are atheists.

Thanks for respecting my beliefs too.