Originally posted by grover
Those of true, deep and abiding faith don't need to talk about it or rub other people's faces in it with self righteousness and arrogance (all actually signs of weak faith) they simply go about their lives doing good whenever they can and show the fruits of faith by example and not words.

Who EXACTLY was being "self righteous or arrogant"?

To ALL Christians: Share the Gospel of TRUTH all you want, until the antichrist beasts censor or ban you!

Then, if your words of TRUTH concerning Jesus Christ are CENSORED, PRAISE THE LORD JESUS FOR IT!

Why? Because satan censors TRUTH, and I know the antichristians want to censor out every bit of TRUTH, because they hate it, and they say that it is bigotry!

Let them, because they who censor TRUTH are going to face Jesus! And, do not worry, because they will also have to face every person they ever lied to and said, "You are not being polite...blah, blah, blah!!!".

The only reason I EVER came here in the first place was to SHARE the TRUTH concerning Jesus Christ! Why? Because Jesus told me to do it!

SAYING IS DOING! Why? Because if what I say can help just ONE SOUL then the work I am called to DO will be enough for me AND Jesus!

I'll keep on keeping on, because that is what Jesus tells me to do!

What is it I keep on keeping on DOING? SHARING THE TRUTH CONCERNING JESUS CHRIST!

What is that TRUTH CONCERNING JESUS CHRIST? That Jesus Christ is The LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, and that He is patient, loving, kind, forgiving, gracious, and merciful!

Jesus can be found ANYWHERE! Even in ATS! How? IF YOU WILL LOOK AND SEEK HIM!!! Going to church is not required by Jesus, but we are called to gather together! We can GATHER TOGETHER, even on ATS!

Please Christians: Support our brethren! Back them up! And defend them! Help them if they are being surrounded by antichristian bigotry!

MTLJBYR!
May The LORD JESUS Bless You Richly!

Grandma. I am aghast at your reasoning. It is the typical sheep response which you have. Just because so many people have followed the bible stories does not mean that it automatically becomes true because some quantity of people think that it is so. That just is very bad judgement and VERY lazy thinking.
In the last 75 years or so human knowledge has progressed at an astonishing rate yet those people of yesteryears did not have many scientific discoveries because they really did not know anything alternative to what the clergy forced upon them, that is, teachings of the bible. Just look at backward countries like parts of the middle east and africa. If it wasn't for science they would be dying from malaria, or could even feed themselves to a reasonable stand (eg: intensive farming out in the desert regions which is needed due to the population pressures).
No one questioned the clergy (relevant to the current religious dogma at the time) because there was no proper answer to be found. The clery, in a position of power and rule made up answers, for the peasants questions when they themselves did not know any better. That is where the absurd 'made in six days' came from 9 and many many others), yet.... people continue to think that that is correct because its written in an old book.

The bible is not a history book.

...nor do you need it to have good morals - i might just add. Good morals come from "don't do onto to others what you don't want done to yourself". If you need a book to tell you what to think and do, then you (and anyone else) are brainless.

You sound insane,really you do.Not being cheeky.As to the thread,hell,if your so sure of your beliefs if someone tries oppose that belief it shouldnt bother you.

Originally posted by one_man24

First of all, God gave everyone free will

This is exactly why religous followers are objects of derision.

You have just forced your views on everyone and quite possibly you did not even realise it.

Nothing gets up people noses like someone proclaiming that their version of reality applies to everyone. It is your god and your version of free will, NOT mine. You god and your version of freewill does not apply to those that do not acknowledge your god.
Please don't proclaim that we are wrong and are agoing to hell or some such fear mongering for it only will show your supreme arrogance, ignorance and intolerance to others (religious or not).

Damn! If i was a leader of a country and was such insulted, I'd be tempted to start a war.

we only Have one God, one Jesus, and that is what I was taught.
I don't hate anyone here because we are told to love our neighbors, so
that is where I sit.
I don't know the whole truth about the gay people who were chasing the Christians down the street, but 2 wrongs don't make a right.
If it has come to this when you cant even go to church without being
chased down the street! then something has gone very wrong.
In my opinion I think gay people should be allowed to have there rights
and even come to church if they want. And even get married to each other
but dont blame christians for the laws that goverment puts into place.
I hope that made sense.

I personally don't have a problem with anyone not being in agreement with my association. As stated earlier, God has allowed free will. He has allowed even His own son to be tested by Satan to prove that those who serve Him do so because they love Him, not from force.

Face it, this world is under Satan's control, and we are all full of sin. Religions have a hard time because like ANY gathering of man, be it government, religion, or boy scouts... corruption and temptation take place because no man is perfect.

For me to believe that as sophisticated as the human body, plant life, animal life, the exact placement of earth to sustain life all are....some big rocks crashed and cells began forming from one celled organisms to monkeys to humans? I'm sorry, but if I came across a magnificent building with lights, plumbing, gas and everything needed to provide a home for someone, there's no way I'd believe that some rock created that, or two things crashed together and made that building just perfect. It would take the loving, patient hands of someone that cared enough to build it.

As far as putting Dubya in office, not all religions can be accused. I personally don't vote. The bible says that human governments are there because He allows them. Follow the law unless it contradicts His law, and pay taxes to whom taxes are due, but do not put your faith in men. Man has dominated man to his injury. I don't vote because no man can do what Jehovah can. Time has proven exactly what the bible foretells. No matter who is voted in, this world will not get better. Offenses get worse, wars get bigger, more lies are spread to disuade man from gaining accurate bible knowledge. Men seek prosperity, even if they aren't "greedy". Men seek their own pleasures and needs before those of others. We, for the most part, are quick tempered. We feel the need to retaliate instead of letting things slide. We have too many faults. Most of us cannot run our own households efficiently, how can we be expected to run a country of millions? Even the man with the best of intentions cannot control outside forces, the environment, or the actions of other countries, extremists, etc.

All this to say, to each his own. There are bad apples in EVERY group because God has given us free will. You can raise just one child, teaching them everything positive, never giving them a negative outlook or placing them in a negative situation. The truth is, with two parents raising one child in this world with free will, because we are sinners, that child will grow up and still make bad decisions. No one is perfect, but in the end....I would rather be wrong in my beliefs and find out that He doesn't exist than to be wrong the other way around. What am I missing by believing in my Creator? Every word of guidance in the bible that I have not followed has caused nothing but trouble. With fornication comes STDs, unwanted pregnancies, broken marriages...etc. With lying, murder, jealousy, etc...comes consequences. Forgive my "ignorance" in not thinking that living my life in a way that is approved by God should somehow be frowned upon. My way of life hurts no one, with the exception of the occasional spanking my kids receive...but "spare the rod, spoil the child"...so there's nothing wrong with that.

But look at what has happened with that! The bible says to spank your children. Proverbs 29:15 "The rod and reproof are what give wisdom; but a boy let on the loose will be causing his mother shame." Pr. 13:24 "The one holding back his rod is hating his son, but the one loving him is he that does look for him with discipline." But OOOHHHHH NNNOOOOOO.... smart government decides that we can't spank our children anymore....now whose running these households??

I'm off my soapbox now. Whatever you believe in, it's not for me to judge. It is not my place, nor is that a job I would ever want. There will always be differences, but that's life.

I love athiest ..... They claim Christians are stupid for following religion but they don't realize the athiesm is a religion also. They talk about the bogey man and all that crap but more people have been killed this century alone due to communism than any religion ever did. So please get Your facts strait its not religion that kills its intollerance and hatred of Your fellow man. Don't single Christians out to much because everyone hates and its not just them. So take a real long look at the mirror and ask Your self do I think certain people are stupid for believing this?

Originally posted by warrenb
More people have been killed in the name of religion than any disease or pestilence on earth.

That is not factual and if you feel it is so, I'd really appreciate you providing some statistics on that. Please don't put forth too much effort in your search for my sake, though. You won't find anything backing up the above claim.

religious people get attacked
atheists get attacked
gays get attacked
psychics,
yellow people, black and brown people, white people, jewish people, most people,
artists, scientists,
new ideas, old ideas,
books, movies,
women get attacked
Joe the Plumber's get attacked
rich people, poor people,
republicans
democrats, liberals, socialists, communists
smart people, dumb people - Oprah -


relax. believe what you want to - and let others do the same.
hopefully we will learn to love each other before will kill each other.

Oh yes! they will be held accountable

Accountable to non-other than the invisible guy in the sky, no less!
Take your fantasy stories elswhere.
I'm sorry you were brainwashed. Hopefully one day you can escape your medieval-superstitious mindset.

Originally posted by crazyjames65
we only Have one God, one Jesus, and that is what I was taught.
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That's what you were told, and you swallowed it hook line and sinker, like the good little christian your told to be.
38% of the world populous is christian. The rest isn't. That's 62% (the majority) of the world does not believe in a christian god, the bible, or even Jesus, for that matter.
Marraige existed before christianity, morals existed before christianity, many religions existed before christianity, I think persecution, intolerance and bigotry existed before christianity, but I can't find many sources to back that up...

I don't blame people for hating religion.

The only thing you see from the media is how religion is being used as a tool for greed/capitalism, violence, bigotry, sexual abuse, and corruption.

The other side of religion - the good side, the side that shows human compassion for your fellow human being is rarely shown in the news anymore.

The media will only cover slanderous material because it gets good ratings, and avoid getting lower ratings from stories like people learning to coexist with one another.

I am a religious person, and I hold nothing against people who hate me and my faith.