Sparks Fly As 'Gay" Activist Mob Swarms Christians, page 2
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reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 12:46 AM by SonsOfAnarchy
reply to post by johnsky



Why do you say Christian...not only Christians believe in the creation story...Jews, and I think even Muslims do...and well I understand if you do not believe in God that it wouldn't neccesarily apply to you but still...religion or not I believe gay marriage is completely wrong when a see a gay couple out in public it just makes me sick to my stomache. Whats next? Marriage between monkeys and humans? Hell, I wouldn't be suprised if thats already happend either...



reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 01:31 AM by tgidkp
reply to post by Dbriefed



nevertheless, it remains unconstitutional for the state to discriminate against a protected class (which gays are in california).


reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 01:33 AM by Nox Vulpes
reply to post by TheAgentNineteen



It is my opinion that the gay rights issue has long been used as a distraction. There are much more important matters to be concerned with at the moment. I truly believe that all people are born equal, but with the simmering racial tensions in the United States and the shifting of the global power structure, I would think that our attention should be on more significant things than what one chooses to do with their genitals.


reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 01:35 AM by tgidkp
reply to post by Nox Vulpes



unfortunately, that is not what this discussion is about, and i have seen far too many of these threads recently go directly down the toilet because of comments like yours....

(edit to add)

...however, i do agree with what you have said. cheers.

[edit on 18-11-2008 by tgidkp]


reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 01:39 AM by Nox Vulpes
reply to post by tgidkp



Fair enough, and I apologize if my comments seemed like an effort to derail the thread. I guess I've been thinking a lot about this topic lately, and I sort of just jumped right in without giving it enough thought perhaps.

Cheers


reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 01:49 AM by Mercenary2007
while i agree there are bad apples on both sides and heteros have in the past been responsible for the more famous hate crimes against gays i think it speaks volumes that right now Heteros have not done anything physical to gays. In fact the role has been reversed. the gays are the ones that are attacking heteros. both vocally and physically. Buts whats even sadder is after those famous hate crimes there was a big out lash from the heteros that didn't condone those acts and yet we really haven't seen anything from the gays speaking out about the actions of the few in the group.

Even the bad apples on both sides have to see and agree their actions do nothing to help their cause.

But lets be honest here for a minute with the 3 current cases,
the assaulting of the old lady. she went to were the anti prop 8 people were protesting. probably not the best of idea but any way she did. Did she try to do anything to keep them from speaking? no Did she physically assault any of them? no she did not. Did she rip out of there hands a symbol and stomp and destroy it? again no she did not.

She went to where they were protesting carrying a cross. she wanted to give a counter voice at the protest. something she was in her right to do. Instead of the gays letting her have her say then let her on her way. they ripped the cross out of her hands threw it on the ground and stomped on it. and shoved her around. yeah i bet they feel good about shoving an old lady around.

Then when a reporter tried to interview her. they yelled over her and would not let her respond to the reporter. then proceed to shove her around some more.

Then we have a group of Gays bursting in on a Sunday service. for what point? Just to act out. desecrate those peoples god. threw condoms at little kids, pulled the fire alarm to get them out side where another group was outside waiting to join in. again what did this prove?

Now we have this 3rd incident. All that group of "Christians" wanted to do was pray in the street with the gays. not preach at them! what do they get in return 1 person was hit in the head with a bible. another had hot coffee thrown on her. they were surrounded by a mob of 500 people being told they were going to kill them, they were going to follow them to their homes. took their pictures so they could later find them and attack them.

When are we as a society going to say enough is enough.

I give the gays credit they haven't killed anyone yet that we know of. But you do have to wonder if the bad apples in the group will stop before they do. you also have to wonder how long it will be before the bad apples on the pro prop 8 side start retaliating against the gays. Eventually things are going to really get out of hand






[edit on 11/18/2008 by Mercenary2007]


reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 02:02 AM by tgidkp
reply to post by Mercenary2007



more selective listening from the "whaa whaa" persecuted christians. believe me, within the gay communities many if not most are opposed to the extremist "gay-stapo"...for example:

taking into account what i said in my earlier post, i do not believe that physical violence, vandalism, or even harassment, is an acceptable way to encourage a change of ideas.

but make no mistake about this: gay people all over this nation have reasonable cause to be madder than hell....god help whomever is standing in their way.


reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 02:20 AM by cogburn
reply to post by Mercenary2007


I'm in agreement with most of what you say.

I can't imagine being a Cali voter w/o BallotPedia.

ballotpedia.org...(2008)

Some of the donors supporting Prop 8 were:
Knights of Columbus, $1,400,000.
Howard Ahmanson, $1,150,000.
John Templeton, $900,000.
National Organization for Marriage, $785,750.
Elsa Prince, $650,000.
Fieldstead & Company, $600,000.
American Family Association, $500,000
Focus on the Family, $411,000.
Doug Manchester, $125,000.

One group that opposed Proposition 8 focused attention on the contributions to the pro-Proposition 8 campaign from individuals who belong to the Mormon church. Contributions from Mormons were said to amount to between 33%-40% of the total amount raised in support of Proposition 8.

Easily over $3,000,000 contributed by religious organizations. When I saw that on Nov 3rd something just started to smell awful. Interesting that the KoC is the largest individual donor, nearly matching the estimates of the Mormon contributions.

Almost makes you wonder if a year or so ago there wasn't some back-room discussion at a religious conference.

Perhaps not on these forums, but I was one who was of the opinion that there was something wrong with Prop 8 from the get-go.

The advertising seemed wrong... the commentary seemed wrong... the level of money seemed wrong... the text of the legislation itself seemed off.

When I got to Prop 8 on my ballot I couldn't help but wonder if I were to even cast a vote at all if this wouldn't be the result regardless of the outcome.

For what it's worth I voted No. For me it came down to not wanting to participate in voting someone's "no-victim" way of life into illegality. Next time it could be me.

[edit on 18-11-2008 by cogburn]


reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 02:32 AM by Mercenary2007
reply to post by tgidkp


more selective listening from the "whaa whaa" persecuted christians.

That's funny since i'm not christian so i guess your talking about the media.

but make no mistake about this: gay people all over this nation have reasonable cause to be madder than hell....god help whomever is standing in their way.


and its exactly this line of thinking that will do the most harm to gay peoples cause. from what i have seen Gays haven't been hauled off like other desenters. But they will be if they continue down the path they are going down. the acts of the few ruin it for the rest. do you honestly think that the government will stop at just rounding up the bad apples?

Once the government labels gay rights activists as terrorist they will round up any gay person. especially after the federal Government amends the U.S. constitution to ban same sex marriages.

an unlike when a state amends it constitution it doesn't go to a direct vote of the people. it goes to the state legislators. right now 30 states ban same sex marriage one way or another. they only need 8 more states to agree with them. then the issue will be removed from the states and mandated by the federal government.

Do you want that to happen? Because i don't. at least at the state level its left up to the people in the state if they ban same sex marriage or not.


reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 02:43 AM by tgidkp
reply to post by Mercenary2007



sorry about mis-labeling you. s'pose i shouldnt be labeling anyone. it must have been the huge american flag and gun wielding soldier that sent me off on the wrong track.

your arguments are sound. not only should this particular issue stay at state level, but there are very few reasons IMO that the fed should ever get into anyone's business.

i, too, fear where this all may lead. the last thing i want to do is give the "end of days" believers more ammo. (as in: "father against son and blah blah".)

my only reason for being in this thread is to shut down the argument that the gay's response to Prop8 passing is somehow bigoted. it is not.
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