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reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 05:15 PM by Avenginggecko
Originally posted by pieman
great, well good for you, but i have to say there are less vocal christians on ATS than this time last year.

besides, i don't see this as a christian vs gay issue, painting it that way degrades it. it is now a fundamental issue of democracy. whatever your views are, the basic truth is that a group that here to fore championed tolerance and acceptance is becoming more and more vocally bigoted.

the idea of gay people saying anyone should stay out of "their neighborhoods" sickens me, the idea that this civil rights movement would resort to whining and slander when things go against them sickens me, the idea that gay people should damn the democracies that gave them any freedom they have because they failed to convince it that they were right sickens me.


I'd like to say that if you went to a gay bar without the pretext of trying to "pray the gay away" and just wanted to go to meet people, you'd find a bar full of normal, caring people trying to have a good time with their friends.

Shouting "Shame on you" is not bigotry when they are shouting at people who have come to harass them in a totally inappropriate environment, situation, and time.

Gay people don't care if straight people come to their neighborhood - heck the whole town could come chug a few, play pool, dance, whatever and they would care less.

What they do care about is people coming to prosyletize to them in the one place where they are accepted without question - Where they can hold a partner's hand and not get odd stares from people, or feel ashamed about who they are and scared of retribution and condemnation if their nature is discovered by those who don't like it.


In fact, the entire title of this thread is misleading and loaded. It makes it seem like gays grabbed a bunch of pitch forks and torches and swarmed around some innocent nuns praying the rosary, when in fact all they did was walk outside of the bar they were in and started yelling "Shame on you" to the people who went out of their way to issue a thinly veiled judgement.

Like it's been mentioned before, the Christians had every right to go and sing and protest, but the reaction from the bar patrons was completely expected and completely deserved. And as I also stated earlier, it's obvious one of the Christians was filming this, so I'm less inclined to think they were there for peaceful reasons and more inclined to incite something juicy so they could get it on camera.


reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 05:34 PM by lizziejayne
I believe that incidents like this will regrettably become more frequent until the hypocrisy that lies on BOTH sides of the fence begins to subside. However, that said, that IMO is no justification for what happened here.

Both groups passionately believe they’re right and that’s fair enough. But how can someone expect a person to respect their lifestyle or belief if they are not affording that respect to others?

Too often we witness certain Christians seemingly revel in their perceived superiority above homosexuals and presenting bigotry poorly hidden under the guise of religion. Similarly, we witness certain homosexuals leading an onslaught against any individual or group who disagrees with their lifestyle. Unfortunately, these people are then all too often perceived as true representatives of their respective groups.

Until both parties respect that both are entitled to believe what they believe, or be what they are, this fragile relationship will continue to crumble into chaos.

I truly fail to understand.

Surely, if I as a homosexual want to convince people I have the right to be what I am, should I not be demonstrating the true nature of me; why I believe I was born as I am and have the right to be what I am? I should not be attacking people or vilifying them for not believing I have the right to be gay. After all, I am expecting them to assimilate my beliefs.

Similarly, if I as a Christian want to show homosexuals what I believe God wants them to be, should I not be trying to bring them to God and demonstrating true compassion in doing so? I should not be using my beliefs to essentially whip people with MY words/actions of malice. After all, I am expecting them to understand and live by my beliefs.

Incidents like the one in this video are unacceptable. However, I truly expect things like this will continue to happen with increased frequency and escalation until BOTH parties realise that - like it or not - the other has a right to practice their belief or lifestyle. The real scary thing is that each time, both parties will be demonised by the other just that little bit more, making the next time just that little bit worse.

[edit on 18/11/08 by lizziejayne]



reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 07:14 PM by vonholland
reply to post by johnsky



the only thing Christians have agaisnt the marriage is the use of the word MATRIMONY because its a holy sacrament. ALlowing two gays or lesbians to marry IS agaisnt our belilefs and therefore offensive to us. If another church, not in the name of Christ, allows marriage, or the courts say unions that are given the same benefits as CHristain married couples, 100% of Christians would not have a problem with it. Its the use of the word "matrimony" which we think defiles our religion by doing something we believe is vehemently against what we think is right. Are we stopping the actions? no. Anti gay violence doesnt happen (at least in inquisition type methods, and believe me I know alot of Christians who would be amazing at something like that, great hunters and athletes) like one may think.

Anyway on starting to ramble. sorry. The main point is the first two or three sentences on the belief. NOw, tell me this. If you are gay, why would you HAVE to use the word matrimony instead of the word married? That is what I don't get. My ultra conservative Christain side would say....the devil buut thats not going to come out of my mouth.

rip in haters



reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 07:19 PM by vonholland
reply to post by Grandma



no1 here met him personally. we follow his biblical teachings and pray to God for guidance. We all hope to see him in corpreal form again.


reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 07:27 PM by vonholland
reply to post by Solomons



I personally prayed about it. I definately thought that I could be gay, but said, cant be. The reason being because it goes against me being able to birth a child with a great girl, not some stupid girl many guys (shame on you guys) chase after for stupid things like...sex? busting a load?

hahaha as a rough and tumble guy, i find lots of girls....girly? and dont hang out with a ton of them Hey it would be great to be gay, rough and tumble with a bunch of guys all the time! get over the family rejection (my dad would hate, mom wouldnt (btw shes the very christian one in the house)) and off to free sex etc etc!!!
definately prayed about it. Thanks God!


reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 09:48 PM by wylekat
reply to post by SonsOfAnarchy





Marriage should be between a man and a woman...


I said it before, and I'll say it again. GOD should have provided mates for EVERYONE equally. Mebbe some people wouldn't be like they are, eh?
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