Why does ATS shut down drug conversations, but not those about suicide bombers?, page 1

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Topic started on 17-11-2008 @ 09:44 PM by redled

It's pretty simple, you get a nice conversation going on about hemp, which can be used to make jeans, and suddenly the issue is, can the stuff make you high? Actually it's not, it's about how it can act as cotton.

I was involved in this and people were shut down before they could speak. Is this ATS acting in the name of freedom of speech as it should do?????

Answers on Pol Pot's refusal to listen to the educated classes please...

EDIT: It is important to find a defintion of drugs that are cut off at the difference of being a suicide bomber and not attack others. How we achieve that is obviously a debateable matter, but we should not use drugs to kill people.

[edit on 17-11-2008 by redled]

reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 09:57 PM by jitombe

reply to post by redled

It's called moral terpitude, that's all. I see it as the same reason a particular casino I used to go to was ok with providing all the alcohol I needed but would not comp me for a pack of cigarettes. Questioning and arguing your point is a waste of breath, keystrokes if you will in this case. I just noticed that when I replied to the hemp related post and the post went poof! Rules are rules, we need to adhere to those rules.

reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 10:02 PM by schrodingers dog

reply to post by redled

Your thread was not "shut down," it was moved to R.A.T.S. so that it cannot be detected by google search.

reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 10:03 PM by baseball101

reply to post by jitombe

some get moved to the secret forum that you can access in the memcenter ... the only catch is that you have to use points for it...

reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 10:22 PM by chapter29

reply to post by redled

As for an "in-depth" convo, I don't know...

As for comical relief and GP ('general purpose' to you REMFS) I've only had one instance of having my comment taken off...and interestingly enough it occurred after a different thread addressed the same topic and I made a similar comment...

hhhmmmmm...

Anyways, use the common sense factor - if it's too over the top don't post it...if the topic mandates a drug comment, post it...what's a few hundred points in comparrison to therapy...?

As for the suicide bombers vibe...a bad comparison.

You would have been better off comparing drug talk to weapon talk...both have illegal variables and are subject to the same court of law...but hey..

content edit!

[edit on 11/17/2008 by chapter29]

reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 10:23 PM by americandingbat

Here's a post from Simon explaining why some language is censored from ATS. It's about vulgarity, but the same concerns are what drives the relocation of the discussion of certain plants to RATS:

The reason is simple, we want to take all measures possible to be certain our message of deny ignorance reaches as many people as possible. There are at least two dozen website categorization software tools (that I know of) that classify domains based on the frequency of certain language. These tools then perform various functions from providing lists of domains that should be avoided (with a score for each domain) to school systems, public libraries, corporate firewall managers, and even home users.

No conspiracy, just a desire to keep off the censorship lists of other organizations

reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 10:25 PM by rikk7111

So it's simple, they took your drugs....lol..

reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 10:35 PM by schrodingers dog

reply to post by rikk7111

Thank you rikk for crystalizing the precise reason for the existence of the R.A.T.S. forum.

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If you think about it RATS is there for the exact opposite of censorship.
It provides a forum and member protection where one can express themselves freely on this and other subjects.

reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 10:38 PM by yeahright

We don't allow discussions of personal drug use (even in R.A.T.S), and to my knowledge, we've never had a successful suicide bomber post here.

Case closed.

reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 10:41 PM by schrodingers dog

reply to post by yeahright

Very true, but the OP was referring to his "moved" thread about the uses of hemp, so I was just attempting to provide an answer to his question as to why his thread was moved.

Edit: In any case, I think americandingbat answered it best.

[edit on 11/17/2008 by schrodingers dog]

reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 10:52 PM by yeahright

reply to post by schrodingers dog

Sorry, I should've stuck a

in there. I wasn't poking at you at all, SD. You guys have it covered. It's not a topic we allow. I have yet to see a "serious" thread about hemp not become a personal drug use thread very quickly, so they get moved to RATS. And once they become a personal use thread there, they get locked or trashed.

I know it's a sore spot with some people. But it's not a Freedom of Speech issue. Never has been, never will be. We're not The Government, we're a privately owned forum.

I'm hoping people find plenty to discuss among the myriad of other topics. That one's just not going to fly.

reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 10:58 PM by scooterstrats

Can I ask an idiotic question? I'm new here, but i dont know what RATS is.
(Although better to remain silent than thought an idiot by speaking .I'd like to know).
Help please?
scooterstrats

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reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 11:04 PM by rikk7111

Originally posted by schrodingers dog
reply to post by rikk7111

Thank you rikk for crystalizing the precise reason for the existence of the R.A.T.S. forum.

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If you think about it RATS is there for the exact opposite of censorship.
It provides a forum and member protection where one can express themselves freely on this and other subjects.

Sorry Dog, I just couldn't resist.........He said they took it first, or took it off,and I don't know where...............

[edit on 17-11-2008 by rikk7111]

reply posted on 25-12-2008 @ 04:01 PM by wayno

Today's hot topic on marihuana got to be about 2 pages long before it was moved or shut down, whatever. It was about signs that there was a possibility of the government changing the laws to legalize it.
At the rate things are going, the government will have legalized marihuana long before ATS lets you even talk about it.

reply posted on 25-12-2008 @ 04:07 PM by intrepid

reply to post by wayno

That was because people couldn't refrain from personal use as opposed to discussing the conspiracy......... as usual.

reply posted on 25-12-2008 @ 04:24 PM by wayno

reply to post by intrepid

I was actually impressed with the discussion on that thread today - very little sensationalism and an obvious groundswell of changing beliefs about the herb in general.
I guess my question would be, why not just remove the offending posts with a warning/explanation like is often done elsewhere instead of taking away the whole thread? I don't think many people understand the fine line between discussing the subject and discussing personal use. Removing just the offenders would be educational to the rest of us.

reply posted on 25-12-2008 @ 07:29 PM by usaf/9sps

Greetings all and Merry Christmas. Has anyone read a book titled "Aint Nobody's Business If You Do?? It's about consensual crimes and the author died before it was published because a judge denied him medicinal marijuana for his nausea from his chemo and he choked on his own vomit. **snip** peace on earth

Mod Edit: removed reference to marijuana site.

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reply posted on 25-12-2008 @ 08:14 PM by Kr0n0s

Give it up dude, I posted this same question a few days ago and had my thread shutdown pretty fast..
Im surprised yours has lasted this long, mine only made it to 3 replies before it was moved and then shutdown..

See for yourself

reply posted on 25-12-2008 @ 08:23 PM by PuRe EnErGy

I don't know..

that makes it awfully easy for someone who is anti-cannabis/hemp to join the discussion and lie about their "personal" use to have the thread moved and or locked.

I think it's rather odd considering how conspiracy nuts have always been linked to the use of drugs.

Maybe there should be a section where these discussions are allowed, after-all they use personal use stories in AA right?

reply posted on 25-12-2008 @ 08:33 PM by Voxel

Originally posted by intrepid
reply to post by wayno

That was because people couldn't refrain from personal use as opposed to discussing the conspiracy......... as usual.

When a thread has a racist post, the post is censored so that it doesn't poison the quality discussions in the thread and the thread continues.

When a thread has a political bait post, the post is censored so that it doesn't poison the quality discussions in the thread and the thread continues.

When a thread has a very off-topic post, the post is censored so that it doesn't poison the quality discussions in the thread and the thread continues.

When a thread has a personal drug use post, the thread is locked, moved to a mysterious forum, or both and the quality discussion is instantly destroyed.

Why the double standard? Can't those posts just be removed (and the user reprimanded if a repeat offender) and the discussion be allowed to enrich ATS?

That is what I don't understand.

Jon

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