i just love this forum! now that my tinfoil hat is on and blinds closed i can say for sure that 21 DEC 2012 will NOT be any different than any other day...

humans always need fear to move on with their lives - so predictions and religions came to be. it's that simple!

Astrological speaking, maybe just what will happen when the Sun becomes the center of the galaxy. The effects from that on Earth being pulled.But other than that, nothing.

reply to post by DarkSecret

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I disagree, I don't believe in religion or predictions, so that theory goes out the window.

I agree. I am not sure which specific prediction (if any) is being referred to. Frankly I don't believe that the future is so immutable that something allegedly predicted centuries ago is going to come to pass on a specific date in 2012 of our latest version of the calendar we use. That smacks of total fatalism and I don't buy that. (I suspect that you don't either.)

Just like to comment on the following from your post as well. (Forgive me for not quoting all of it):



While I find this an interesting semi-numerological exercise, I have to ask why it is that something on a Mayan calendar should be interpreted in relation to the modern English alphabet. After all, the Mayans didn't speak English or even know of it, so how can this leap be made? I am not criticizing you, because you are only reporting a line of thinking, but does it not seem out of line to be using an English-centric (Anglo-centric) methodology to try and uncover the mystery of where a Mayan prediction may be hidden? If we ran the same exercise and used the language of those who made the calendar it might have some validity I guess, but if we want to use English, then why not German, or Spanish -- or Czech? Would we get the same answer in every case? Not all alphabets have the same number of letters so I doubt it.

Just my opinion, of course...

Mike

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Even if we were 'artificially evolved' by some alien race we've still got the basics on animals. and fear is healthy - that's why we assume that the noise in the darkness has sharp teeth and claws and we'd better be well armed or get out of here!

we use the same fear to justify all things we dont understand so we find answers that make sense to our primitive minds. seriously our current civilization (that we have records of) has been around for less than 4000 years. compared to the age of our planet or the universe that's a blink of an eye. we'll probably be extinct as a species within the next 4000 years and some other oddity may emerge - or earth will just be an animal planet...

we fear death and the fact that its permanent and so we try to find all sorts of workarounds - thus all the 2012 predictions and all the other pseudo science or ancient religions and myths.

why not trillions of light years? how about checking a textbook first?

"The Sun lies close to the inner rim of the Milky Way Galaxy's Orion Arm, in the Local Fluff or the Gould Belt, at a hypothesized distance of 7.62±0.32 kpc from the Galactic Center."

7620 kpc would be about 25000 light years.

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Although I am unsure what to expect, I have to laugh at the people who say basically, "Nothing's going to happen! Remember Y2K?"

As if comparing a computer glitch in our computer-dominated world is the same as a date pointed to by a calendar that spans tens of thousands of years - as well as the I Ching, several Native American views, and other miscellanea and esoterica.

I suspect things to change. HOW they will change I haven't a clue.

yipes! no offense? "natives had a way with stories"? so the Book of Genesis is not a story? or the Big Bang theory? or any other thing 'civilized' people tell themselves so that they can make sense of this crazy world, and sleep better at night.

we could have learned a great deal more from the indigenous folk of this planet had the great-anglo-colonizers respected their "stories" a bit more, instead of forcing their own versions of the truth (gold/god/glory... and now irrefutable science) upon these natives.

perhaps then we wouldn't have found ourselves in the mess we are in today, worrying about whether 2012 was to bring an end to our hapless species or not.

What is really beginning to annoy me is people instantly dismissing other peoples theories without as much as one iota of justification for doing so other than their own personal opinion.

2012 may well be a complete load of bollocks but at least there are people out there who have bothered to spend time researching and gathering information, interpreted it (correctly or incorrectly) and presented it.

actually science is not a story or a personal opinion. you see most of the science used to predict big bang or the distance from the sun to the center of the milky way or to other galaxies is also used in the fundamental physics that allowed engineers to build among others microprocessors and the entire internet.

so while most science is justified and we can see its results everyday (microwave, tv, computer, car) the stuff about 2012 is a complete speculation and just like any other end of world prediction is going to come and pass. i cant wait to see 2013.. what will it be then? maybe April 13, 2036? which is a scientific calculation BTW - with its inherent errors - but nevertheless a calculation that can be redone:

Apophis would pass through a gravitational keyhole, a precise region in space no more than about 600 meters across, that would set up a future impact on April 13, 2036.... the impact probability for April 13, 2036, was calculated as 1 in 45,000

Now THAT is real news worth talking about since it would wipe us out and probably 90% of life on earth.

so if you want your theory to be taken seriously bring some evidence not just some youtube video where a guy is using science buzz words and a PowerPoint presentation to justify 2012. anyone can do that but it's not peer reviewed nor argumented with anything.

Does it really matter if the prophecy is true or not? If it's true then what are we going to do about it? If it's not, then we can continue with our hatred for each other. We'll be able to continue killing one another like we've been doing since the dawn of mankind.
The discovery of a body that lies outside the Solar System was detected by the IRAS in 1983. I remember reading the article. Now, there seems to be a coverup indicating that the satellite never saw anything and life seems to go on as usual.
There is one prophecy that I believe in though. This prophecy is found in Revelation. It tells us not to be troubled. Those who are faithful have nothing to worry about. Do not try and predict the antichrist or the Second Coming, but to be ready when the time does arrive for it will come "as a thief in the night". Those who have a firm coviction in what the Word tells us will know these events as they unfold before us, though there will be multitudes who claim to have the faith but will fall to the wayside when given a choice of life or death.
Enough of my convictions for now, but here are some interesting sites that's in connection with what the Sumerians and Mayans prophecied.
There may be evidence that our Solar System originated in a dwarf galaxy that's being consumed by the larger Milky Way galaxy as I write this. You can read it at Scientists Now Know: We're Not From Here!
From the previous site is this image of the center of the Milky Way in different spectrums.



The following site provides us with several articles originating from the early 80's. that informs us about the possible dicovery of the "Planet X" meaning Planet 10. Early 1980's Planet X news articles.

The entire sky has finally been mapped. Thanks to 2MASS, a project that gave scientists data to determine that we're not originally made from the Milky Way galaxy, can be found here. The Entire Sky In All It's Glory

This image is a composite image. It can be found at the 2MASS site and enlarged.



I apologize if it may seem that I've strayed from the topic, but you'll have to visit the links to see how they may be related to 2012.



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reply to post by N. Tesla

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I'm going with nothing. Well other than the Myans will turn over a new calender, just like Jan. 1 to us.

Well i guess i can't say nothing will happen, i'm sure this will be used so much it crashes the ATS site. BTW I just met John Titor and he took me 12-22-2012 so i could get a screen shot of ATS most recent posts to prove my point and make all people feel safe.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

So see in 2012 nothing to worry about!

Unless of course i'm a disinfo agent who works for the galactic federation of light, and will shapeshift into a reptilian that day

....and that's what I get for posting in a hurry!

You're right... nowhere near billions. Good catch -- my goof!

No, it's very unlikely.

They would have to have had some secret information to be able to predict an event.

Something higher than the current knowledge our people has.

We would have to be severely underestimating the Mayans if they are in fact proven right.

You may be right that the skeptics are so tired of this that they've forgotten to present the information (yet again) and just give a knee jerk reaction of "Oh, come on! Not THAT tired nonsense again?" It gets a little tiring to go back and explain the Mayan calendar system, that the calendar is actually compiled from several sources and does not contain any prophecies (en.wikipedia.org...), that the stone with the calendar on it is Aztec (en.wikipedia.org...), that there really isn't anything in the remaining writings (the "Codexes") that says when they thought the world would end, and that the hype has been created in the past 15 years or so (www.usatoday.com...).

Trying to explain that the "center of the galaxy" is not some tiny object in the sky but is something we are always aligned with (as was shown with some images in another post) is also something you kind of hate to explain again and again and again.

Asking people to check their source's source material (where DID they get that notion from and is it really true) is something that most folks don't want to do... but everyone seems to take it badly if you check the source and say "hey, they didn't get it right!"

I have to go on record as one who has severe doubts that the world will end in 2012.

Every year there are things that happen and I'm sure that there will be some big event in 2012 and the faithful will hang their hats on that event and say that the predictions were all true because it happened.

I believe that if anything happens, it will not be because of an uncontrollable, preordained event. More than likely it will happen because enough people believe it will happen. Like a snowball rolling down hill.

It goes like this. Joe stocks up on food, telling his neighbour about the 2012 predictions. His neighbour John says to himself, "Joe is a smart, grounded guy. If he thinks this may happen, then maybe I should prepare also." So off John goes to the store and buys supplies to survive the coming disaster(s). John's neighbour Jack hears about this and decides "Hey maybe I should do this also, just in case". Next thing you know a good portion of the town is running also stocking up. This rush on supplies by the local population causes supply shortages in town.
The local media gets wind of this and does a short feature on the "Shortage Crisis". This is seen by people across the county and they also rush to the local superstores. The national media becomes aware, headlines are splashed across screens around the nation, "Food Shortage Looms". Suddenly this is a National crisis, the Government is pressed to respond, so they hold emergency meetings. Those people who did not initially buy into the hype, seeing the Government talking about Crisis, are now rushing to the stores to prepare. But they are too late, others have already wiped out supplies. My god what are we going to do. Riot is the only answer. Oh my God says John, they are rioting. They are going to come after my supplies, I better arm myself for protection. "Geez" says Jack, "John has got himself a rifle, the situation is getting bad. I better protect myself too".

And the snowball picks up speed and just gets bigger. Enough people honestly believe the 2012 scenario, that this could truly happen. Want proof, look at the stock market. "Oh my God" John is selling his shares".....

Just maybe?

how many of you actually believe in the 2012 prediction?


I`m currently suffering from prediction fatigue , i can`t even stand the sight of a calendar.
ATS has done this to me , .....

Just wait kill JOe all set. Save time,money and speclation on anything.