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Topic started on 17-11-2008 @ 04:39 PM by Irish M1ck
What is your opinion on it? I have been on many threads where those who live in countries with socialized health care have voiced their opinions, and I wanted to create a thread that would be a comprehensive reference guide for the opinions of those people.

I, personally, am for socializing health care in the U.S. Here's a great reference guide for myths about how great our health care system is currently:

The Case For Single Payer, Universal Health Care For The United States
# Why doesn’t the United States have universal health care as a right of citizenship? The United States is the only industrialized nation that does not guarantee access to health care as a right of citizenship. 28 industrialized nations have single payer universal health care systems, while 1 (Germany) has a multipayer universal health care system like President Clinton proposed for the United States.


One of the biggest reasons the U.S. isn't a leader in any field anymore: there is too much of a "conservative" movement who is afraid of progress.

This is not new in America.

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2. Myth One: The United States has the best health care system in the world.

* Fact One: The United States ranks 23rd in infant mortality, down from 12th in 1960 and 21st in 1990

* Fact Two: The United States ranks 20th in life expectancy for women down from 1st in 1945 and 13th in 1960

* Fact Three: The United States ranks 21st in life expectancy for men down from 1st in 1945 and 17th in 1960.

* Fact Four: The United States ranks between 50th and 100th in immunizations depending on the immunization. Overall US is 67th, right behind Botswana

* Fact Five: Outcome studies on a variety of diseases, such as coronary artery disease, and renal failure show the United States to rank below Canada and a wide variety of industrialized nations.

* Conclusion: The United States ranks poorly relative to other industrialized nations in health care despite having the best trained health care providers and the best medical infrastructure of any industrialized nation


Nothing new here. Of course, these statistics are dragged down by the majority of poor people in this country. Pfft, redistribution of wealth.

News flash, the wealth was already "redistributed", and it was all into a small pool at the top.

3. Myth Two: Universal Health Care Would Be Too Expensive

* Fact One: The United States spends at least 40% more per capita on health care than any other industrialized country with universal health care

* Fact Two: Federal studies by the Congressional Budget Office and the General Accounting office show that single payer universal health care would save 100 to 200 Billion dollars per year despite covering all the uninsured and increasing health care benefits.

* Fact Three: State studies by Massachusetts and Connecticut have shown that single payer universal health care would save 1 to 2 Billion dollars per year from the total medical expenses in those states despite covering all the uninsured and increasing health care benefits

* Fact Four: The costs of health care in Canada as a % of GNP, which were identical to the United States when Canada changed to a single payer, universal health care system in 1971, have increased at a rate much lower than the United States, despite the US economy being much stronger than Canada’s.

* Conclusion: Single payer universal health care costs would be lower than the current US system due to lower administrative costs. The United States spends 50 to 100% more on administration than single payer systems. By lowering these administrative costs the United States would have the ability to provide universal health care, without managed care, increase benefits and still save money


No one will believe this in America until they see it. Progress always gets held back by the same types of people who forced Galileo to repent.

The list goes on, but I don't want to preach the choir. Those who don't believe socialized health care would be beneficial would skip over it all anyway.

So, all of you who currently live in one of those countries who aren't afraid of progress:

Do you currently enjoy your universal health care, or are you jealous of ours and would like to switch back to privatized?


reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 06:15 PM by Irish M1ck
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So you don't feel that you have sub-par health care or extraordinary long lines? Do you feel that you pay an unreasonable amount of taxes to sustain all of this?

Thanks for responding to all this.

[edit on 17-11-2008 by Irish M1ck]



reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 11:40 AM by QuadroClip
reply to post by PowerSlave



PowerSlave, remember that each province maintains it's own HealthCare system, what happens in Ontario doesn't reflect all of Canada, I would agree that it is not perfect but it has never let me or my family down.



reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 12:08 PM by Irish M1ck
Thanks for all of you who are contributing. Many in America are scared to death of socialized health care - for whatever reasons. If you turn on your local talk radio, they will say that our economy will be ruined, health care will be terrible, and the lines will be so long that you'll die of the disease before you get treatment.

Not long ago, a thread was posted about our state of Hawaii failing at implementing a form of socialized health care. It was thrown around as proof that the system is impossible to sustain.

To me, it is hard to understand why so many in our country fail to examine other economic systems. We seem to be hell bent on staying 100% true to our capitalistic founding that we are falling behind the curve.



A taste of our life
Knowing your situation, I am curious as to how you feel about many in our situation. I'll give you a big "for instance":

I, for instance, am a student. I make decent money, but I cannot afford health insurance. It's funny because I could be contributing money towards health insurance, but the cost is so high I cannot afford it at all, so I pay nothing towards the system.

However, if I get hurt and my life is at risk, hospitals are forced to work on me until I am stabilized. At this point, I am released with hefty bills and possibly in debt for years to come (which could obviously affect my ability to finish school and/or get a job).

This seems to be a common situation for those who are in their late teens to early twenties. Anyone in the upper-lower class or lower-middle class. All others either have insurance, or use government subsidized programs (driving the price up so that the middle can't afford it).

So, that's a day in the life of a struggling American. Keep the information flow up! It's greatly appreciated!


reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 01:30 PM by yeti101
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well i think its a real shame for a country that produces so much wealth theres no free health care for its people. Im from the UK but i am entitled to free health care anywhere in the EU! and i actually used it in holland when i was in amsterdam ( long story it was a Sunday and no chemists open ended up at a hospital). Amazing! in a foreign country and getting free health care like that.

I think socially america is falling behind the curve. Maternity programs, college fees, affordable health care accepted indicators of how socially advanced a nation is. All worse in the states than they are in europe.

Theres many great things about america but at the same time i think its capitalism gone mad.

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