The Chevy Volt is Chverolet's only chance. But it's not scheduled until 2010. Maybe a bail out to last until then? As for the rest... They still
need it. But I can't believe the blind eye here. Freddie Mac literally runs the GOP. McCain? His staff was FM Lobbysits. FM also "donated" 2
million dollars to the GOP... Freddie Mac secretly paid a Republican consulting firm $2 million to kill legislation that would have regulated and
trimmed the mortgage finance giant and its sister company, Fannie Mae, three years before the government took control to prevent their collapse.
www.abovetopsecret.com... And now they get 700billion. Ford doesn't bribe, er, donate to the GOP and didn't run
McCain's campaign and... get nothing.
"10 Cars That Sank Detroit", page 2
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reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 10:13 AM by crmanager
reply to post by GamerGal
Oh my, read the news.
In 1996 the American Auto industry sold 16.1 million cars, 1 million to rental companies.
In 2004 the American Auto industry sold 16.1 million cars, 5 million to rental companies.
They saw this coming and refused to change.
$2600 of every GM product is health care for workers.
$300 for Toyota.
American companies created a model that can't be sustained.
They slit their own throat. Let them go.
Oh my, read the news.
In 1996 the American Auto industry sold 16.1 million cars, 1 million to rental companies.
In 2004 the American Auto industry sold 16.1 million cars, 5 million to rental companies.
They saw this coming and refused to change.
$2600 of every GM product is health care for workers.
$300 for Toyota.
American companies created a model that can't be sustained.
They slit their own throat. Let them go.
reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 10:31 AM by tjack
Originally posted by crmanager
reply to post by GamerGal
Oh my, read the news.
In 1996 the American Auto industry sold 16.1 million cars, 1 million to rental companies.
In 2004 the American Auto industry sold 16.1 million cars, 5 million to rental companies.
They saw this coming and refused to change.
$2600 of every GM product is health care for workers.
$300 for Toyota.
American companies created a model that can't be sustained.
They slit their own throat. Let them go.
Right! There's no way that 6 months of moderately expensive gas "killed" Detroit. Except for the few shares of GM stock that I thought I was getting on the cheap at 6 bucks, I agree we should leave them to their fate. Just like we should have done with the bank bailout.
In every case, BLIND GREED is the downfall of these companies.
reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 11:54 AM by sos37
Originally posted by conspiracy nut
reply to post by GamerGal
don't forget that american cars are notoriously unreliable!
why bailout a company that makes unreliable gas guzzlers?
they should have been focusing on reliable, hybrid type cars instead of
huge trucks, suv's and crappy cars that would do you no good unless you are a mechanic!
Hold on there - here we go with the blanket statements again. Not all American cars are notoriously unreliable. Some are, yes.
Lately, however, as in the last few years, Ford has drmatically increased their reliability ratings on all of their vehicles and even surpassed Toyota's record of reliability (which was lowered due to lots of problems with the Tundra pickup).
In my experience, though, Dodge and Pontiac are by far the worst of the American cars, with Chevrolet running a close second.
From the cars I've owned: Dodge Shadow, just about everything went wrong with this horrid car from the wheel frame breaking in half to the trim work and paint peeling off; Pontiac Sunfire- bad problems with electrical system, AC system constantly on the blink; Chevy Lumina - Alternator problems at just 15,000 miles supposedly caused by a short in the electrical system! Returned to the shop more than 7 times and finally returned under Texas's state lemon laws.
The only Fords I've owned so far have been F-150 trucks and they've been fine thus far. My only beef with them is the crappy gas mileage, but hey, it's a large pickup. Can't expect Prius efficiency.
reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 12:25 PM by chickenshoes
Originally posted by jibeho
I read the following article the other day and I couldn't hold back the laughter and the tears.
biz.yahoo.com...
This article also brought back fond memories of the the Gremlin, Pacer, Omni/Horizon, Chevette/t1000, K-cars, Stratus, Tempo/Topaz, Fairmonts and Granadas. I could go on forever.
It also dredged up the memory of the era of the Big 3 buying up foreign auto makers. Jaguar, Volvo, Mazda, Land Rover, Saab to name a few. At the time the big three went on a buying spree they should have focused on their own inadequate products. Ford simply killed Jaguar and Land Rover.
They got greedy and arrogant. They couldn't run themselves but thought they could run the competition. Do they really need a bailout?
You forgot this one:
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reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 12:35 PM by chickenshoes
reply to post by jibeho
Yeah, my first car was sort of kin to a pacer, a '79 chevette.
The speedometer was broken, so the only way I could tell how fast I was going was by the pitch of the motor. Fortunately, I'm a musical person, and though I don't have perfect pitch, I could get a rough estimate that way
My parents must have had to strap on the depends every time I left the house.
LOL squirrel squashin' deer smackin drivin' machine
[edit on 11/18/2008 by chickenshoes]
Yeah, my first car was sort of kin to a pacer, a '79 chevette.
The speedometer was broken, so the only way I could tell how fast I was going was by the pitch of the motor. Fortunately, I'm a musical person, and though I don't have perfect pitch, I could get a rough estimate that way
My parents must have had to strap on the depends every time I left the house.
LOL squirrel squashin' deer smackin drivin' machine
[edit on 11/18/2008 by chickenshoes]
reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 01:03 PM by jibeho
I love this Classic SNL skit. I miss Phil Hartman. I still howl when I see this one.
Adobe
Spokesman.....Phil Hartman
Spokesman: These days, everyone's talking about the Hyundai, and the Yugo. Both nice cars, if you've got $3,000 or $4,000 to throw around. But, for those of us whose name doesn't happen to be Rockefeller, finally there's some good news - a car with a sticker price of $179. That's right, $179. The name of the car?
Adobe. The sassy new Mexican import that's made out of clay. German engineering and Mexican know-how helped create the first car to break the $200 barrier. At this price, you might not expect more than reliable transportation - but, brother, you get it! Extra features: like the custom contour seats, or the beverage-gripping dash. And the money you save isn't exactly small change!
Jingle:
"Hey, hey, we're Adobe!
The little car that's made out of clay!
We're gonna save you some money
that you can spend in some other way!
Hey, hey, we're Adobe!
Hey, hey, we're Adobe!
Adobe!"
[ show Adobe driver get into a fender-bender. She casually steps out of the vehicle and uses her hands to mold her bumper back into its proper shape, in under six minutes! ]
Spokesman: Adobe. You can buy a cheaper car. But I wouldn't recommend it!
Announcer: Not approved for street use in some states. No warranty either expressed or implied. All sales final.
SNL Transcripts
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Adobe
Spokesman.....Phil Hartman
Spokesman: These days, everyone's talking about the Hyundai, and the Yugo. Both nice cars, if you've got $3,000 or $4,000 to throw around. But, for those of us whose name doesn't happen to be Rockefeller, finally there's some good news - a car with a sticker price of $179. That's right, $179. The name of the car?
Adobe. The sassy new Mexican import that's made out of clay. German engineering and Mexican know-how helped create the first car to break the $200 barrier. At this price, you might not expect more than reliable transportation - but, brother, you get it! Extra features: like the custom contour seats, or the beverage-gripping dash. And the money you save isn't exactly small change!
Jingle:
"Hey, hey, we're Adobe!
The little car that's made out of clay!
We're gonna save you some money
that you can spend in some other way!
Hey, hey, we're Adobe!
Hey, hey, we're Adobe!
Adobe!"
[ show Adobe driver get into a fender-bender. She casually steps out of the vehicle and uses her hands to mold her bumper back into its proper shape, in under six minutes! ]
Spokesman: Adobe. You can buy a cheaper car. But I wouldn't recommend it!
Announcer: Not approved for street use in some states. No warranty either expressed or implied. All sales final.
SNL Transcripts
snltranscripts.jt.org...
reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 01:23 PM by chickenshoes
reply to post by jibeho
Yeah, the adobe was a great one.
The best part for me was that my parents drove a Renault LeCar, which the adobe appeared to be modeled after.
I drove a '91 Honda Civic for a while, and it may as well been made out of adobe. I remember once I backed up in the parking lot at work and kind of side hit a car parked by the building. Her car was fine, but my front left fender pretty much crumpled in. I showed my husband after work, and he took his hand and beat the dent out of it
I was a little scared to drive it after that
Ok, back on topic, sorry
Yeah, the adobe was a great one.
The best part for me was that my parents drove a Renault LeCar, which the adobe appeared to be modeled after.
I drove a '91 Honda Civic for a while, and it may as well been made out of adobe. I remember once I backed up in the parking lot at work and kind of side hit a car parked by the building. Her car was fine, but my front left fender pretty much crumpled in. I showed my husband after work, and he took his hand and beat the dent out of it
I was a little scared to drive it after that
Ok, back on topic, sorry
reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 01:39 PM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by GoalPoster
After reading through those 6 myths, which basically say that Asians are doing the same things that the Big 3 are doing, why then are the Big 3 failing?
If they're outselling Asia, have comparable MPG and quality, what's left is poor management and employee salaries. This is where the UAW is killing the Big 3. They're "waged" themselves out of jobs. They either have to somehow make it through a strike or they have to pay the workers inflated wages to keep them happy. Add to this rising medical costs for all of the current AND past employees plus pensions plus...
I'm not union bashing; I understand their purpose. But I believe this is where most of the problem lies.
Just my $.02.
EVH
After reading through those 6 myths, which basically say that Asians are doing the same things that the Big 3 are doing, why then are the Big 3 failing?
If they're outselling Asia, have comparable MPG and quality, what's left is poor management and employee salaries. This is where the UAW is killing the Big 3. They're "waged" themselves out of jobs. They either have to somehow make it through a strike or they have to pay the workers inflated wages to keep them happy. Add to this rising medical costs for all of the current AND past employees plus pensions plus...
I'm not union bashing; I understand their purpose. But I believe this is where most of the problem lies.
Just my $.02.
EVH
reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 02:52 PM by jibeho
One more classic that could help Detroit right now.
snltranscripts.jt.org...
Saturday Night Live Transcripts
Season 3: Episode 1
77a: Steve Martin / Jackson Browne
Royale Deluxe II
Spokesman.....Dan Aykroyd
Spokesman: Introducing the 1978 Royal Deluxe II. A luxury name and a luxury ride at a middle-range price? Impossible? We've come to Temple Beth Shalom in Little Neck, New York, and asked Rabbi Mayer Taklas to circumcise 8-day-old Benjamin Kanter while riding in the back seat of the elegant Royal Deluxe II.
Performing circumcision is demanding. It requires a sure hand and a steady cutting surface. [ the car takes off ] To show you that our ride is the finest, sweetest in the world, we've deliberately picked this road because of its rough, uneven surface. This was an actual demonstration. Speed: 40 MPH.
The stylish Royal Deluxe II rides smooth because we built it right! [ the car drives over potholes ] Unique hydrodine suspension system, rack and pinion steering to ensure outstanding durability and control. And every new stylish Royal Deluxe II offers, as standard equipment, power front disc brakes.
[ a toy ball bounces into the street, as the car brakes sharply and we hear the baby cry after the Rabbi makes his final snip ]
Rabbi: Poifect!
Spokesman: You may never have to perform a circumcision in the Royal Deluxe II, but if you do, we're sure you'll agree with Rabbi Taklas..
Rabbi: That's a beautiful baby.. and a beautiful car!
Announcer: Royal Deluxe II. A beautiful car.
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