Originally posted by zorgon
Now why am I not surprised that YOU would send a sick person to see a shrink?

No they would treat what is wrong with them, but they would get a psyc script too.
So far no one has EVER shown up claiming this anyway, it seems that 99% of the population realize that airplanes do not cause their respiratory problems.

Originally posted by zorgon
Not to many months ago people were sayng exactly the SAME THING about those who suffered from Morgellons Disease... now you are saying there is real science behind it...

Most cases are still classified as delusional parasitosis, formication, and Munchausen's.

Originally posted by LAUGHING-CAT
I will say that I have personally been under one of these planes at the wrong time when they were spraying malathion.

That is different then what others claim to be “Chemtrails” though, no one is denying that there is aerial application spraying that goes on especially here in Florida. Mostly its done for bugs, and I am sure that you have seen the white pickup trucks driving around here with the foggers running. All this stuff is done at low altitude so it is close to the target, not at 30K feet in the sky where it blows out to sea.

Originally posted by LAUGHING-CAT
I was sick for a week and the "media" said we have nothing to worry about.

No, if you got some insecticide straight in your face, you certainly can get sick from that.

Originally posted by LAUGHING-CAT
just Gov't planes spraying a chemical over Tampa.

Your right in my area, and I can tell you that yes there is low level aerial spraying that goes on for crops and such, but there are no “chemtrials”. As a matter of fact you will only see persistent contrails when it gets colder out down here.

Y'know what? I have to admit I might have been wrong. And I'm okay with that. Now give me stars for having some guts.

[edit on 17-11-2008 by TylerKing]

Very good post. Unfortunatley, you won't change any minds, the crazies are already writing you off as a propagandist. Still, its nice to have a coherent response in case a friend starts to go down this path but isn't too far gone to bring back with reason.

Where in the world are you guys digging up all these old screen names with years of registration yet only a handful of posts?

Retired fellows? LOL!

Just kidding!

Originally posted by defcon5

Originally posted by thefreepatriot
Didn't know people get sick from contrails ... must be somthing new

Even if planes were spraying anything, at their altitude it would land so far away it would not make anyone sick anyway.

Well I guess that makes it alright then... wait what? No that doesn't mean people wont get sick.. maybe not the people directly under it and definetally not instantly(you might need to hire a meteorologist to hit your target, assume your target isn't the weather but a city.)

Originally posted by OzWeatherman
In conclusion, its far more reliable to poison the population by spiking the drinking water supply rather than this way

....

Originally posted by defcon5They have traced this back to contaminated water so far, and also it seems to effect those who work in the dirt a lot. The reason why it “replicates” is because it is a fungus which grows.

... Not to mention fluoride water.. I think the 'spiked' drinking water is the one aimed at us.. and the chemtrails more a weather thing.


About the wing tip vortex.. I'm surprised one can form that low and your right it wasn't doing anything to fancy but that didn't really look like what I saw. they only lasted like 1 second, the ones I saw lasted from anywhere to 20seconds to a minute.

The second engine thing doesn't really make too much sense to me either.. As long as the ice crystals form if what meteorologists on this forum say is true then the conditions of the sky should keep them frozen and visible regardless of the original temperature.

[edit on 11/17/2008 by Bumr055]

Originally posted by Zepherian

Originally posted by Chadwickus
Five flags

five stars

Five disinfo agents?

Lol...that could be true yes. but i bet it's just same member, diferent aliases....so normal this days in ATS...

What i think weird is why "They" think they could change our belives with topics and negating all in all ways!...weird indeed.

The Truth, is inside all of us. Stop...clear your mind and listen, and you will notice it. We do not need false topics,trolls disguised as skeptics or lies to know about it!

Originally posted by jaysconspiracy
I'm able to see planes so close together that they you could take a pic from a regular digital camera and see both in the pic.

Yeah, so?
That does not mean that one is not at 28,000 feet and other is at 29,000 feet.

Originally posted by jaysconspiracy
Where are they all headed within a half hour of each other?

Again, because of flight banks. Lets say that they are all flights coming form Europe, and they have passengers that have to land at east coast airports then make connecting flights to other locations inland of the coast. Those planes are scheduled to leave and arrive at their destination airport in a bank so that the passengers have time to get off the plane, go through customs, and catch other flights that are also arriving at roughly the same time.

If you work at an airport, you will see this first hand, the majority of aircraft all arrive at one time, and all depart at one time. There are periods where the airport has no planes on it whatsoever unless they are broken. For example all the RON (Remain Over Night) aircraft all used to leave our station within an hour of each other, and then the airport sat empty for almost two hours until the next bank started to arrive. As it gets later, they get a bit more scattered due to various delays that they may take throughout the day.

Originally posted by jaysconspiracy
Why are they at such a lower altitude if they are truly on a journey across the ocean?

Depends on the flight rules of that area, ATC hands off aircraft between controllers at specific locations and altitudes, called gates. Gates are there so the ATC person receiving the hand off has some idea of what the attitude of the aircraft he is receiving is going to be.

Originally posted by jaysconspiracy
Why do they all seem to follow this exact formation whenever I'm observing and always have the trails behind them??

Because they tend to follow the same routes on a regular basis, there is certainly a pattern to ATC and the way that flights move around. These patterns due tend to change somewhat due to things like weather, and seasonal flight schedule changes, but not always that much. Somewhere like Florida has massive seasonal traffic changes based on the “snow birds”, but places like New York change very little seasonally.

Originally posted by defcon5

Originally posted by jaysconspiracy
I'm able to see planes so close together that they you could take a pic from a regular digital camera and see both in the pic.

Yeah, so?
That does not mean that one is not at 28,000 feet and other is at 29,000 feet.

Originally posted by jaysconspiracy
Where are they all headed within a half hour of each other?

Again, because of flight banks. Lets say that they are all flights coming form Europe, and they have passengers that have to land at east coast airports then make connecting flights to other locations inland of the coast. Those planes are scheduled to leave and arrive at their destination airport in a bank so that the passengers have time to get off the plane, go through customs, and catch other flights that are also arriving at roughly the same time.

If you work at an airport, you will see this first hand, the majority of aircraft all arrive at one time, and all depart at one time. There are periods where the airport has no planes on it whatsoever unless they are broken. For example all the RON (Remain Over Night) aircraft all used to leave our station within an hour of each other, and then the airport sat empty for almost two hours until the next bank started to arrive. As it gets later, they get a bit more scattered due to various delays that they may take throughout the day.

Originally posted by jaysconspiracy
Why are they at such a lower altitude if they are truly on a journey across the ocean?

Depends on the flight rules of that area, ATC hands off aircraft between controllers at specific locations and altitudes, called gates. Gates are there so the ATC person receiving the hand off has some idea of what the attitude of the aircraft he is receiving is going to be.

Originally posted by jaysconspiracy
Why do they all seem to follow this exact formation whenever I'm observing and always have the trails behind them??

Because they tend to follow the same routes on a regular basis, there is certainly a pattern to ATC and the way that flights move around. These patterns due tend to change somewhat due to things like weather, and seasonal flight schedule changes, but not always that much. Somewhere like Florida has massive seasonal traffic changes based on the “snow birds”, but places like New York change very little seasonally.

To me it still does not add up that all these planes are right up that close to each other at low altitudes, all leaving trails, and all heading east from middle of nowhere Maine right out to the Atlantic ocean. I dont' know where all those planes came from in such a short period of time and where they are headed going right towards the Atlantic. Here in rural areas of Maine we just dont have that type of normal air traffic to support this situation. But I can tell you and I will just keep talking in circles, so I'll end this disagreement here by saying we can agree to disagree. I understand how you try to explain things, but i don't feel it can explain what I'm physically looking at. Maybe if you saw what I saw I would hope you would be able to be open minded about this.

Originally posted by defcon5
Hey Zorgon...
Looks like a sprayer on a military aerial insect/defoliation application.
The military does do this at low altitude in combat areas for visibility and to keep the bugs under control. Again though it does not look like chemtrails, it is done at low altitude.

So your saying the military sprays chemicals on us huh?

The image was from a run over New Orleans, not a combat area. They said it was safe but advised you cover your bar-b-que. If its so SAFE why AF Dude wearing hazmat gear

If you wake up early in the morning and happen to spot this aircraft flying over leaving a barely visible trail... do not worry its not "Chemtrails"... it is merely DIBROM, a pesticide and this single aircraft can cover 60,000 acres per day. Might be a good idea to cover the BBQ though.

U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Jacob N. Bailey

Okay so its a "barely visible trail" of chemicals but its not a 'chemtrail'

Hmmm well at least on THIS one I have proof

But not to worry... as these are safe chemicals:
Dibrom, a pesticide approved by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

According to the 'authorities' of course







[edit on 17-11-2008 by zorgon]

Originally posted by jaysconspiracy
I dont' know where all those planes came from in such a short period of time and where they are headed going right towards the Atlantic. Here in rural areas of Maine we just dont have that type of normal air traffic to support this situation.

OK, but those flights are most likely not originating in Maine, they are probably coming from places like Detroit and Ontario and you are seeing them head out over the ocean to Europe. You sort of changed directions on me from the last post, but it makes even more sense if they are going the other way.

Originally posted by jaysconspiracy
But I can tell you and I will just keep talking in circles, so I'll end this disagreement here by saying we can agree to disagree.

That is fine if that is what you want to do, but believe me I work in the industry for a long time and nothing your saying sounds out of the ordinary in any way to me. It might seem odd to someone who does not understand how airport work, but it only seem that way.

I am sure that someone who lives to the North of the airport I used to work at thought it was odd that between 07:00 and 08:00 am they suddenly were hit by tons of air traffic departing from our airport, when they did not have an airport within 100 miles of them either. Aircraft follow routes and fly in banks, if you live along a route, you will see aircraft pass your location in groups. Nothing unusual about this whatsoever.

Now in THIS picture we see where the 'trails' are really coming from...



Now the OFFICIAL 'story' is they are 'blowing smoke' for 'vortex studies'

Uh huh... I always buy the 'official story' especially from NASA

Point is even if they are 'smoke', they are definitely NOT CONTRAILS

Now then...

A Question to Mr Oz the Weatherman...

What atmospheric conditions account for BLUE CONTRAILS?



Thanks

Originally posted by defcon5

Originally posted by jaysconspiracy
I'm able to see planes so close together that they you could take a pic from a regular digital camera and see both in the pic.

Yeah, so?
That does not mean that one is not at 28,000 feet and other is at 29,000 feet.

Originally posted by jaysconspiracy
Where are they all headed within a half hour of each other?

Again, because of flight banks. Lets say that they are all flights coming form Europe, and they have passengers that have to land at east coast airports then make connecting flights to other locations inland of the coast. Those planes are scheduled to leave and arrive at their destination airport in a bank so that the passengers have time to get off the plane, go through customs, and catch other flights that are also arriving at roughly the same time.

If you work at an airport, you will see this first hand, the majority of aircraft all arrive at one time, and all depart at one time. There are periods where the airport has no planes on it whatsoever unless they are broken. For example all the RON (Remain Over Night) aircraft all used to leave our station within an hour of each other, and then the airport sat empty for almost two hours until the next bank started to arrive. As it gets later, they get a bit more scattered due to various delays that they may take throughout the day.

Originally posted by jaysconspiracy
Why are they at such a lower altitude if they are truly on a journey across the ocean?

Depends on the flight rules of that area, ATC hands off aircraft between controllers at specific locations and altitudes, called gates. Gates are there so the ATC person receiving the hand off has some idea of what the attitude of the aircraft he is receiving is going to be.

Originally posted by jaysconspiracy
Why do they all seem to follow this exact formation whenever I'm observing and always have the trails behind them??

Because they tend to follow the same routes on a regular basis, there is certainly a pattern to ATC and the way that flights move around. These patterns due tend to change somewhat due to things like weather, and seasonal flight schedule changes, but not always that much. Somewhere like Florida has massive seasonal traffic changes based on the “snow birds”, but places like New York change very little seasonally.

Oh and how come you pick and choose what to answer? You find something you can twist in your favor or "explain away", yet ignore my earlier question of >> what about governments or respected agents of governments who have admitted to the testing of poisons or the attempts to control the weather by spraying through the air?? >>