Real Contrail Science, why they persist and why they spread out and why they are not chemtrails , page 3


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reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 08:40 PM by Bumr055
Originally posted by defcon5
Originally posted by thefreepatriot
Didn't know people get sick from contrails ... must be somthing new

Even if planes were spraying anything, at their altitude it would land so far away it would not make anyone sick anyway.

Well I guess that makes it alright then... wait what? No that doesn't mean people wont get sick.. maybe not the people directly under it and definetally not instantly(you might need to hire a meteorologist to hit your target, assume your target isn't the weather but a city.)


Originally posted by OzWeatherman
In conclusion, its far more reliable to poison the population by spiking the drinking water supply rather than this way

....
Originally posted by defcon5They have traced this back to contaminated water so far, and also it seems to effect those who work in the dirt a lot. The reason why it “replicates” is because it is a fungus which grows.

... Not to mention fluoride water.. I think the 'spiked' drinking water is the one aimed at us.. and the chemtrails more a weather thing.


About the wing tip vortex.. I'm surprised one can form that low and your right it wasn't doing anything to fancy but that didn't really look like what I saw. they only lasted like 1 second, the ones I saw lasted from anywhere to 20seconds to a minute.

The second engine thing doesn't really make too much sense to me either.. As long as the ice crystals form if what meteorologists on this forum say is true then the conditions of the sky should keep them frozen and visible regardless of the original temperature.

[edit on 11/17/2008 by Bumr055]


reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 08:41 PM by jaysconspiracy
reply to post by defcon5



Oh come on. Again, I'm able to see planes so close together that they you could take a pic from a regular digital camera and see both in the pic. There are a dozen or more all flying by in this type of close proximity in a very short period of time such as measured in minutes not hours. I live on the coast and they are flying from inland towards the ocean. Where are they all headed within a half hour of each other? Why are they so close? Why are they at such a lower altitude if they are truly on a journey across the ocean? Why do they all seem to follow this exact formation whenever I'm observing and always have the trails behind them?? You can dissect any individual statement you want, but together it is too much to dispute.


reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 08:45 PM by predisposed
let us not forget the evidence

now my friends no one is daring to say that all expanded contrails are chemically altered? if they are they are foolish to say the very least.

however, let us move the universal mind to the evidence that supports, hang on, the proof, that supports the deliberate alteration of our atmosphere by external influence.

OK. firstly, the UK government ADMITS SPRAYING viruses and the like on its very own population to determine the effect of bio weapons, not phrased in this way, but still the admission to spraying general said public for data persists as factual.

Second, the particles collected in parts of the world that have been measured by independant laboratories and have been found to be excessively inclusive of barium and radioactive compounds

So sure. not all elongated expansive vapour trail is chemically contaminated. But sure as [-SNIP-], our atmosphere is being altered by airborne emissions. Anyone who dares to disagree, has not done their research.

You have proved that big clouds from planes dont mean that there are chemicals in them. But to say that we do not have unnatural elemental particalisation contamination by a self referentially malignant 3rd party, would be a lie.

Big clouds mean nothing. Co- alignment of particulate spraying over a distinguished area which causes ailments, is means of an investigative approach. If this approach reveals unusually high unnatural relative exposure to toxic elements, which is correspondent to the supposed observed airborne ocurrance, then, well, its just a big cloud init?



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reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 09:19 PM by defcon5
Originally posted by Bumr055
Well I guess that makes it alright then... wait what? No that doesn't mean people wont get sick.. maybe not the people directly under it and definetally not instantly(you might need to hire a meteorologist to hit your target, assume your target isn't the weather but a city.)

All I can say is that I worked directly on these aircraft for about a decade, and I never got sick from anything that was being emitted from them. You would think that if they were spraying stuff that I would have had extensive contact with it, either dripping off the spray nozzles, or coming out of the engine exhaust. Heck, if there was truth to this stuff ramp personnel would be keeling over like flies or wearing full chemsuits all day.

Originally posted by Bumr055
Not to mention fluoride water..

I cannot say that I know much about Fluoride, other then I have been drinking it most of my life and I am still kicking. I think that they add it as a type of bleach to kill off fungus such as that supposedly causing Morgellons, but I could be wrong.

Originally posted by Bumr055
I'm surprised one can form that low and your right it wasn't doing anything to fancy but that didn't really look like what I saw. they only lasted like 1 second, the ones I saw lasted from anywhere to 20seconds to a minute.


General Radek just added a great PDF file to the other chemtrail thread, and I am going to post it here for you. About half way through is a great picture of a plane leaving both vortexes and contrails.
Aircraft Induced Condensation
Check pages 9, 19, and 20. Page 37 has an interesting comparison of something I have championed in many other threads here on ATS, the difference between old and new engines. Page 40 has persisting wingtip vortexes that are breaking up into rings. Enjoy, its a good PDF file...

Originally posted by Bumr055
The second engine thing doesn't really make too much sense to me either.. As long as the ice crystals form if what meteorologists on this forum say is true then the conditions of the sky should keep them frozen and visible regardless of the original temperature.

Of course engine temperature makes a difference, a shut off engine is certainly not going to make a contrail... An engine running at half throttle is not going to be running as hot as one running full thrust.


reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 09:34 PM by defcon5
Originally posted by jaysconspiracy
I'm able to see planes so close together that they you could take a pic from a regular digital camera and see both in the pic.

Yeah, so?
That does not mean that one is not at 28,000 feet and other is at 29,000 feet.

Originally posted by jaysconspiracy
Where are they all headed within a half hour of each other?

Again, because of flight banks. Lets say that they are all flights coming form Europe, and they have passengers that have to land at east coast airports then make connecting flights to other locations inland of the coast. Those planes are scheduled to leave and arrive at their destination airport in a bank so that the passengers have time to get off the plane, go through customs, and catch other flights that are also arriving at roughly the same time.

If you work at an airport, you will see this first hand, the majority of aircraft all arrive at one time, and all depart at one time. There are periods where the airport has no planes on it whatsoever unless they are broken. For example all the RON (Remain Over Night) aircraft all used to leave our station within an hour of each other, and then the airport sat empty for almost two hours until the next bank started to arrive. As it gets later, they get a bit more scattered due to various delays that they may take throughout the day.

Originally posted by jaysconspiracy
Why are they at such a lower altitude if they are truly on a journey across the ocean?

Depends on the flight rules of that area, ATC hands off aircraft between controllers at specific locations and altitudes, called gates. Gates are there so the ATC person receiving the hand off has some idea of what the attitude of the aircraft he is receiving is going to be.

Originally posted by jaysconspiracy
Why do they all seem to follow this exact formation whenever I'm observing and always have the trails behind them??

Because they tend to follow the same routes on a regular basis, there is certainly a pattern to ATC and the way that flights move around. These patterns due tend to change somewhat due to things like weather, and seasonal flight schedule changes, but not always that much. Somewhere like Florida has massive seasonal traffic changes based on the “snow birds”, but places like New York change very little seasonally.


reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 09:47 PM by jaysconspiracy
Originally posted by defcon5
Originally posted by jaysconspiracy
I'm able to see planes so close together that they you could take a pic from a regular digital camera and see both in the pic.

Yeah, so?
That does not mean that one is not at 28,000 feet and other is at 29,000 feet.

Originally posted by jaysconspiracy
Where are they all headed within a half hour of each other?

Again, because of flight banks. Lets say that they are all flights coming form Europe, and they have passengers that have to land at east coast airports then make connecting flights to other locations inland of the coast. Those planes are scheduled to leave and arrive at their destination airport in a bank so that the passengers have time to get off the plane, go through customs, and catch other flights that are also arriving at roughly the same time.

If you work at an airport, you will see this first hand, the majority of aircraft all arrive at one time, and all depart at one time. There are periods where the airport has no planes on it whatsoever unless they are broken. For example all the RON (Remain Over Night) aircraft all used to leave our station within an hour of each other, and then the airport sat empty for almost two hours until the next bank started to arrive. As it gets later, they get a bit more scattered due to various delays that they may take throughout the day.

Originally posted by jaysconspiracy
Why are they at such a lower altitude if they are truly on a journey across the ocean?

Depends on the flight rules of that area, ATC hands off aircraft between controllers at specific locations and altitudes, called gates. Gates are there so the ATC person receiving the hand off has some idea of what the attitude of the aircraft he is receiving is going to be.

Originally posted by jaysconspiracy
Why do they all seem to follow this exact formation whenever I'm observing and always have the trails behind them??

Because they tend to follow the same routes on a regular basis, there is certainly a pattern to ATC and the way that flights move around. These patterns due tend to change somewhat due to things like weather, and seasonal flight schedule changes, but not always that much. Somewhere like Florida has massive seasonal traffic changes based on the “snow birds”, but places like New York change very little seasonally.


To me it still does not add up that all these planes are right up that close to each other at low altitudes, all leaving trails, and all heading east from middle of nowhere Maine right out to the Atlantic ocean. I dont' know where all those planes came from in such a short period of time and where they are headed going right towards the Atlantic. Here in rural areas of Maine we just dont have that type of normal air traffic to support this situation. But I can tell you and I will just keep talking in circles, so I'll end this disagreement here by saying we can agree to disagree. I understand how you try to explain things, but i don't feel it can explain what I'm physically looking at. Maybe if you saw what I saw I would hope you would be able to be open minded about this.


reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 10:07 PM by jaysconspiracy
Originally posted by defcon5
Originally posted by jaysconspiracy
I'm able to see planes so close together that they you could take a pic from a regular digital camera and see both in the pic.

Yeah, so?
That does not mean that one is not at 28,000 feet and other is at 29,000 feet.

Originally posted by jaysconspiracy
Where are they all headed within a half hour of each other?

Again, because of flight banks. Lets say that they are all flights coming form Europe, and they have passengers that have to land at east coast airports then make connecting flights to other locations inland of the coast. Those planes are scheduled to leave and arrive at their destination airport in a bank so that the passengers have time to get off the plane, go through customs, and catch other flights that are also arriving at roughly the same time.

If you work at an airport, you will see this first hand, the majority of aircraft all arrive at one time, and all depart at one time. There are periods where the airport has no planes on it whatsoever unless they are broken. For example all the RON (Remain Over Night) aircraft all used to leave our station within an hour of each other, and then the airport sat empty for almost two hours until the next bank started to arrive. As it gets later, they get a bit more scattered due to various delays that they may take throughout the day.

Originally posted by jaysconspiracy
Why are they at such a lower altitude if they are truly on a journey across the ocean?

Depends on the flight rules of that area, ATC hands off aircraft between controllers at specific locations and altitudes, called gates. Gates are there so the ATC person receiving the hand off has some idea of what the attitude of the aircraft he is receiving is going to be.

Originally posted by jaysconspiracy
Why do they all seem to follow this exact formation whenever I'm observing and always have the trails behind them??

Because they tend to follow the same routes on a regular basis, there is certainly a pattern to ATC and the way that flights move around. These patterns due tend to change somewhat due to things like weather, and seasonal flight schedule changes, but not always that much. Somewhere like Florida has massive seasonal traffic changes based on the “snow birds”, but places like New York change very little seasonally.


Oh and how come you pick and choose what to answer? You find something you can twist in your favor or "explain away", yet ignore my earlier question of >> what about governments or respected agents of governments who have admitted to the testing of poisons or the attempts to control the weather by spraying through the air?? >>
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