My only question is why it appears that in some areas the planes appear to be deliberately going back and forth, back and forth? I have not noticed this in Texas but have seen it a lot in Arizona for example. But, I would agree with the idea that it seems like a piss poor way to do something effectively.

Chemtrails exist, i used to collect the barium rocks by the handfuls in southern california. and i sampled the polymers as they collected on plantlife after misty pollution rains.
Its often used on the west coast for over the horizon communications and in california when i first became aware of them there was legislation in place (look it up yourself) for weather modification described exactly as 'conspiracy theorists' had put it.
Keep trying to debunk facts! IT will result in countless threads on the topic that lead nowhere but back to the skies full of chemicals.

My take on the chemtrails.

The Morgellons disease fibers look a lot like borg nano fibrils that are growing various interfaces required for assimilation into the world wide hive collective of the new world order. The chemtrails supply the starter nanites and materials since we can't scare people with fully assimilated individuals using their inoculation tubules.

Originally posted by Phage

Originally posted by zorgon
They flew very fast and were higher that commercial traffic.

Very fast = military(possibly?)
Higher = different atmospheric regime (more likely to produce contrails)

High and fast can just as easily mean that they are through flights opposed to flights that are in descent for a more local landing. When a flight is at cursing altitude, its flying up in the realm of 30 to 40 thousand feet, and can be going the max speed that ATC will allow them to travel at. When they begin descent they also begin to slow into the traffic patterns for approach. So an aircraft that is simply passing over an area at say 35000 feet might be traveling at say 500 knots, while traffic that is starting into an approach would be descending to say 10000 feet and slowing to approach speed around 180 to 200 knots. Planes do not slow down on a dime, and they are harder to slow down when they are descending as the potential energy of the descent wants to increase the speed. They start setting up for this approach quite a ways out form the target destination to give time to make gradual shifts and keep the flight smooth.

Originally posted by pteridine
If we are to hold others to the levels of proof they demand for the contrails thread, I could just say that it would have to be proven untrue. If no one can prove it is untrue, then it must be true.

We are not the ones making extraordinary claims, and we have given a lot of proof, which shows that Chemtrails are in fact contrails.

Originally posted by pteridine
How do you know that there is no element of truth to it?

Yeah, you’re a Reptilian who sits around your nest/hive/whatever, posting on message boards? Reptilian stuff has its own special area here at ATS, called the “Gray Area”.

Besssssidessssss you cannot be a Reptilian becausssssse you don’t ssssound like one.

Originally posted by ReelView
My only question is why it appears that in some areas the planes appear to be deliberately going back and forth, back and forth?

Normally when folks claim that the aircraft are going back and forth, it ends up being that they are not the same aircraft and the person lost sight of it at some point. The only other reason that planes go back and forth is when they are in a holding pattern, or it’s a small aircraft that is doing something like aerial photography.

Originally posted by s0ndernet
Chemtrails exist, i used to collect the barium rocks by the handfuls in southern california. and i sampled the polymers as they collected on plantlife after misty pollution rains.

What's a 'misty pollution rain'? Drizzle?

Since rain falls from low level clouds tens of thousands of feet below the level at which alleged chemtrails appear, how you connect those 'chemtrails' with the barium found after rainfall? Maybe the barium comes form low level pollution sources?

If barium were falling out of so-called chemtrails it should land a few thousand miles downwind of the trail, several days later, and probably not during rainfall.

Its often used on the west coast for over the horizon communications

Here in the UK we use satellites

But presumably you, and those believing chemtrails cause Morgellons, disagree with TruthTellist who was earlier claiming chemtrails are some sort of NATO defence network thingie?

As I've said before, it's one of the fundamental problems: every believer believes something different. And none of you can explain why chemtrails should be visible, let alone look and behave identical to contrails.

Unless, as I keep suggesting, what you're seeing is not chemtrails?

Which obviously does not mean chemtrail spraying is not happening - just that you've been deliberately misdirected. But maybe that's too much like a conspiracy? And this is ...... oh, wait a minute, this is a conspiracy website

(For the record I do not believe any significant spraying does take place, but I can neither prove it does not nor would I be so arrogant to deny that it can not. I just know what people see and claim to be chemtrails are not chemtrails)

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