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reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 10:28 PM by Perseus Apex
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'Statutory' law was designed to control the masses. The International bankster folk of whom I've attempted to reveal here on ATS 'designed' this
system. Natural Law is true law. Any other law is heresy unto humanity. It is a means of 'control'. The people who 'know' better follow, the
people who speak seem to be 'muzzled' or 'disappear', commit mysterious 'suicides'. People don't 'organize' to question the facts. A
'pack' of animals can easily 'submit' a 'lone ranger'. True Patriotism unto the fellow man is absent today. Many speak of 'half' truths and
'half' cause though are often too cowardly to 'represent' those whom they profess or were 'elected' to 'represent'.
So is the course of humanity. Where it ends is entirely up to the 'individual'. The problem is, people have been neuro-programmed via education of
the 'state' and 'controlled' media to know or act better. All it takes is courage. We glimpse of it in the theatre though rarely witness it in
'real' life. The producers of such films attempt to 'awake' the masses though fear of being the catalyst. Cowardism prevails and therefor the
ignorant, selfish and self-absorbed prevail or so they so 'foolishly' assume. They will never be fulfilled and therefor neither will you. It is a
never-ending and perpetuating end of 'foolishness' with the end of and End. The End will reveal the lack of Sapience and Jurisprudence unto the
perpetrators as well as the victims.
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reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 12:43 AM by pteridine
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If you were a banker out to control the world, would you write anything down? Would you then make copies so that someone could find one and expose
you? This thread proves that with all those suckers out there, the bankers don't need a manifesto, all they need are deeds to the Brooklyn bridge.
After the suckers each buy it, all of them can spend their time arguing about who really owns it. Of course, every owner will need legal counsel and a
title search.
I do have a spare bridge deed if anyone has the cash.
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reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 02:51 AM by Cythraul
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Originally posted by pteridine
If you were a banker out to control the world, would you write anything down? Would you then make copies so that someone could find one and expose
you?
Good point. But then again, I'm stunned on a regular basis by the transparency with which the elite operate. For example, we recently had
Alan Greenspan admitting that the Federal Reserve is above the law. Then you have all of the
stupid comments Bush made about how easy it would be if he was dictator, the bailout bill which (if you actually read it) admitted that the bailout
was going to be much, much larger than $700bn, and other examples I can't think of right now.
I don't think copies were necessarily made of the manifesto. Even conspirators need to find a way of synchronizing activites and ambitions, and 1892
was a pre-technological age - no encoded emails or the like. Aside from word of mouth, intentions would have to be written. Besides, the manifesto
gives the impression that it wasn't intended to be as secret as current bankers prefer their intentions to be.
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reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 06:37 AM by dariousg
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Originally posted by prevenge
but I'm also looking at it.. and asking responders.. from a spectator's standpoint... "would you do any different??"
as in.. what are they guilty of.. if they're doing what anyone in their situation would do?
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I like your question. The answer is, if I were to be honest, that they are doing exactly what most people would do.
Then again, that is if you completely remove the humanity from the situation. They view themselves as the elite. A super human compared to us sheep.
The ones that do as we're told and graze their fields of hay while they eat lamb chops and beef.
History has shown that this has always been the case. And it has shown that the people eventually get sick of it and revolt. Oft times though that
revolt is against the wrong people (the government) and the real culprits are allowed to escape and start all over again.
Until all money is removed completely from society these people will always be in power. Not the governments of the world but the people with the
money. I'm talking about the real money. Not the millionaires of the world but the ultra billionaires and trillionaire (families) of the world.
It's the perfect system for them that THEY have created.
They create the money out of thin air, don't pay taxes on their profits (interest) and they continue to gather of real assets while we gather up the
empty assets (money) that they give us in exchange for the real assets.
It's a game to them. They want to see how much they can obtain and how far they can push us. Well, as history has shown over and over, there will
come a tipping point.
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reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 08:12 AM by inthesticks
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Originally posted by Perseus Apex
reply to post by inthesticks
'Statutory' law was designed to control the masses. The International bankster folk of whom I've attempted to reveal here on ATS 'designed' this
system. Natural Law is true law. Any other law is heresy unto humanity. It is a means of 'control'. The people who 'know' better follow, the
people who speak seem to be 'muzzled' or 'disappear', commit mysterious 'suicides'. People don't 'organize' to question the facts. A
'pack' of animals can easily 'submit' a 'lone ranger'. True Patriotism unto the fellow man is absent today. Many speak of 'half' truths and
'half' cause though are often too cowardly to 'represent' those whom they profess or were 'elected' to 'represent'.
So is the course of humanity. Where it ends is entirely up to the 'individual'. The problem is, people have been neuro-programmed via education of
the 'state' and 'controlled' media to know or act better. All it takes is courage. We glimpse of it in the theatre though rarely witness it in
'real' life. The producers of such films attempt to 'awake' the masses though fear of being the catalyst. Cowardism prevails and therefor the
ignorant, selfish and self-absorbed prevail or so they so 'foolishly' assume. They will never be fulfilled and therefor neither will you. It is a
never-ending and perpetuating end of 'foolishness' with the end of and End. The End will reveal the lack of Sapience and Jurisprudence unto the
perpetrators as well as the victims.
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Yes, I understand that, although I don't quite understand what it has to do with whether or not this manifesto is authentic or not. Maybe it's
just too early in the AM for my brain to function enough to connect the two. Need another shot of that AM caffeine.
I definitely agree that cowardice seems to be the rule of thumb these days.
People are so afraid to take a stand for anything. I have always been pretty vocal about the things I have learned from my research and get asked all
the time if I am afraid "they" are gonna come and get me. Many of the things I tried to tell people about 15 years ago are now so obvious that
I've had several people tell me they no longer think I'm crazy and wish they had paid more attention. But most still go thru life in their rose
colored glasses.
I was a rebellious child, never satisfied to be told something was the truth just because someone in "authority" told me it was true. Never got
over that rebelliousness. It has gotten me into mucho trouble in my life, but has also taught me many things. Some day, it might be the death of
me, so be it.
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reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 08:59 AM by Maxmars
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I am very amused by the 'I'm calling a hoax' crowd. They seem hell-bent of discrediting the notion that the banking community operated then (and
now) as an independent supra-national entity.
Very amusing indeed. As if today's financial environment hadn't already given proof that this has been their agenda all along.
Historically speaking, we know that they had targeted the United States economy for conquest since its inception. Heck, had it not been for the few
enterprising individuals who we call our founding fathers, we would have been under their submission all along. Instead it took a couple of hundred
years to achieve their goals. We are under their submission now though. Can the erudite disbelievers debunk that?
Edit to add: By the way, civil law controls the people. It's the Uniform Commercial Code they engineered that, rather than control the banks,
empowers them beyond any individual citizen.
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reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 06:55 PM by DarkspARCS
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It's really funny to actually hear Greenspan state that the Fed cannot be over ruled by any American government agency and yet the very
Intellectual Property of the United States - the Presidential Seal - is marked on the back of all of our dollar bills.
Since when did the United States lose it's Presidential Empowerment?!
WOW - to think that the banks own the Presidency too?...
I mean HEEEELLLLOOOOO - isn't that the simplest of truths RIGHT THERE?
Conspiracy Confirmed, hands down!
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reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 07:25 PM by davion
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Originally posted by Maxmars
I am very amused by the 'I'm calling a hoax' crowd. They seem hell-bent of discrediting the notion that the banking community operated then (and
now) as an independent supra-national entity.
We're all disinfo agents working for the banks.
Edit: Added wink so people don't take it seriously and flip out.
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reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 09:22 PM by azureskys
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This may be of interest and an Eye Opener as J.P. Morgan is the reason there is a Federal Reserve.
www.pbs.org...
People & Events
J.P. Morgan
John Pierpont Morgan (1837-1913) began his career in 1857 as an accountant, and worked for several New York banking firms until he became a partner
in Drexel, Morgan and Company in 1871, which was reorganized as J.P. Morgan and Company in 1895. Described as a coldly rational man, Morgan began
reorganizing railroads in 1885, becoming a board member and gaining control of large amounts of stock of many of the rail companies he helped
restructure. In 1896, Morgan embarked on consolidations in the electric, steel (creating U.S. Steel, the world's first billion-dollar corporation, in
1901), and agricultural equipment manufacturing industries. By the early 1900s, Morgan was the main force behind the Trusts, controlling virtually all
the basic American industries. He then looked to the financial and insurance industries, in which his banking firm also achieved a concentration of
control. Morgan was also among the foremost collectors of art and books of his day; his book collection and the building that housed it in New York
City are now The Pierpont Morgan Library.
www.whale.to...
J. P. Morgan
Joe Kennedy, William Randolph Hearst, JP Morgan and others were part of a powerful underground group. They created their own revenue and their own
justice Thanks for the Memories: The Memoirs of Bob Hope's and Henry Kissinger's mind control slave by Brice Taylor p54
In 1913, the Morgan’s were the dominant American banking influence. Before I say anything more, you should know that J. P. Morgan was really - most
biographers say and have said of him - that he was probably an agent of the Rothschild’s...... So, in any event, in 1913, it was pretty clear that
J. P. Morgan - The House of Morgan - was the dominant banking influence. But today, that seems to have shifted to the Rockefellers. There's no doubt
in my mind today that the Rockefellers are the dominant banking force in the United States. Interview with G. Edward Griffin: Author of 'The Creature
from Jekyll Island'
At the turn of the century, people like Rockefeller and Morgan and Carnegie had decided that since they were at the top of the heap, they didn't want
any more competition. They wanted to put an end to competition. ......when you look at these men sitting around the table at a clubhouse on Jekyll
Island, all of a sudden you realize, "Oh my gosh, the Federal Reserve System is a CARTEL." And that is exactly what it is. It is not a government
agency. It is a cartel no different than the banana cartel, the oil cartel, or any other. It just happens to be a banking cartel. That is the second
thing that emerges from the study of what happened on Jekyll Island.
Interview with G. Edward Griffin: Author of 'The Creature from Jekyll Island'
The first thing they were trying to hide at that meeting was the fact that the Federal Reserve System was written BY the money trust. The people who
attended that meeting were the epitome of the money trust. These were literally the wealthiest men in the world. When you added up the wealth which
was controlled by the seven men who went to that meeting .....they represented, approximately one-fourth of the wealth of the entire world. We're
talking about the J. P. Morgan dynasty, the Rockefeller dynasty, Kuhn Loeb & Company, the Rothschild’s from Europe, and the Warburg’s from Germany
and the Netherlands. These were the people who were represented at that meeting, and they are the ones who created the Federal Reserve System -
supposedly - to break the grip of the money trust.
Interview with G. Edward Griffin: Author of 'The Creature from Jekyll Island'
Hitler’s main source of economic power was from the I.G. Farben chemical cartel, and I.G. Farben in turn was controlled by the Illuminati. The I.G.
Farben cartel was created by loans from Wall Street in what has been called the Dawes plan. Carroll Quigley calls the Dawes Plan "largely a J.P.
Morgan production." The J.P. Morgan Group set up the loan to I.G. Farben, which created Hitler. 'Without the capital supplied by Wall Street, there
would have been no I.G. Farben in the first place, and almost certainly no Adolf Hitler and World War II." Henry Ford merged his German assets with
I.G. Farben in 1928. The cartel created the lethal Zyklon B gas that was used to exterminate the Jews. It was also involved in the torture
experimentations that led to mind control methods, such as Monarch Programming. Do you see what happened? A Rothschild agent set up a cartel that was
directly involved in the horrible persecution of the Jews. Still the family maintains the illusion of being totally supportive of their race. At first
Germany had a significant disadvantage if they were to embark on a second world war. The nation had a fuel shortage, but the Illuminati fixed this
problem. The Germans were able to fight WWII through the use of synthetic fuels that were created by the hydrogenation process (turning coal into
gasoline).
This process was discovered by I.G. Farben. Hydrogenation technology would not have been fully developed by WWII, but I.G. Farben made a deal with
Rockefeller’s Standard Oil, who was able to complete the research, facilitating the war. Interestingly, I.G. Farben plants were not targeted by the
bombing raids on Germany. By the end of the war the refineries had experienced only 15% damage.
William Dodd, American ambassador to Germany before WWII, wrote President Roosevelt: "At the present moment, more than a hundred American
corporations have subsidiaries here or cooperative understandings. 'The DuPonts have their allies in Germany that are aiding in the armament
business. Their chief ally is the I.G. Farben Company... 'Standard Oil Company ... sent $2,000,000 here in December, 1933 and has made $500,000 a
year helping Germans improve hydrogenation technology] ... ,,The International Harvester Company president told me their business here rose 33% year,
but they could take nothing [earnings] out [except in goods]. ‘Even our airplanes people have secret arrangements with Krupps. ‘General Motors
Company [which was controlled by the J.P. Morgan Group] and Ford do enormous business here through their subsidiaries and take no profits out."
Germany needed the capital of these, and many more American companies in order to wage a war.
I.G. Farben had a holding company in the United States called American I.G. Faben. Paul Warburg,
his brother Max (head of Germanys secret police during WWI), and Warburg agent Herman Metz were some of the members of the board of directors of the
American I.G. Faben. Other directors included Rockefeller/International banking men (Edsel Ford, Charles Mitchell, Walter Teagle, etc) . Three Germans
on the Board of Governors were convicted as war criminals after the war, but the elite Americans fore-mentioned were not, even though they
participated in the same criminal decisions as those who were punished. According to author Eustice Mullins, Hitler met with Allen and John Foster
Dulles in 1933.
The Dulles brothers were acting as legal representatives of Schiff and Warburg’s Kuhn, Loeb & Co, which was an Integral part of the Rothschild
network. Mullins claims Kuhn & Loeb had extended large short-term credits to Germany, and needed to ensure the repayment of these loans. The Dulles
supposedly assured Hitler he would receive the funds necessary to be installed as Chancellor of Germany, if he promised to repay the debts. One of the
largest tank manufacturers for Germany was Opal, which was controlled by the J.P. Morgan Group. Another company connected to the J.P. Morgan Group was
Bendix Aviation, ‘which supplied data [to Germany] on automatic pilots, aircraft Instruments
and aircraft and diesel engine starters.’ The examples go on and on. There is much more that could be written on this subject. The manufactured
Pearl Harbor attack allowed Roosevelt to enter America into the war. A second world war had been created by the Illuminati, with the help of the
Rothschild/Morgan/Warburg/Schiff syndicate. After the end of the war, the Tribunals that investigated Nazi war criminals censored "any materials
recording Western assistance to Hitler," said historian Antony C. Sutton: Bloodlines of the Illuminati 11. Rothschild
Max Warburg funded Lenin and his revolutionaries. Jacob Schiff gave a known $20 million to Lenin. J.P. Morgan & Co. helped finance the Bolshevik
revolution. Alfred de Rothschild also helped finance the Bolsheviks. Antony C. Sutton: Bloodlines of the Illuminati 11. Rothschild
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reply posted on 18-11-2008 @ 09:57 PM by SiONiX
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ROFL  Sometime I wonder if people actually read trough the thread or just flag and run...
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reply posted on 19-11-2008 @ 03:39 AM by Perseus Apex
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Great analysis. You deserve praise for your efforts to awaken the 'uninformed'. I used to vacation at Jekyl Island, St. Simon Island and Hilton
Head Island from time to time. It's hard to believe that a monster such as the Federal Reserve was conceived/conducted in the peaceful and natural
setting of Jekyl Island though such is history. I recommend everyone read 'The Creature from Jekyl Island. It truly is an eye opener.
The Federal Reserve Sys-tem was unconstitutionally created and was never approved or ratified by Congress as per law therefor it should be abolished
immediately and all ill-gotten gains via fraud and collusion should be confiscated and returned/refunded to the 'Constituents'. This adds up to
many Trillions and would solve our currently financially 'engineered' financial meltdown.
This is just 'another' carefully conceived plan to consolidate the worlds assets for pennies on the dollar though on a much larger and 'final'
approach than The Great Depression of the 1930's. The same families are at it again and still want to know what their 'subjects' plan to DO about
it.
Thanks to the internet medium, the truth is finally get out there and people are starting to take notice. Now it is up to our elected politicians to
do what they were elected to do; uphold the 'oath' they swore to uphold upon taking office. That takes courage of which is seriously lacking in
today's 'society'.
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reply posted on 19-11-2008 @ 04:09 AM by Common Good
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One Word..PROFIT..As long as there is money involved, socialism will never prosper. If you want a free nation, a nation without poverty, a nation
without greed, and a nation truly dependant on itself and its own clean resources,
then you are looking at a total change in the way our govt works. Our monitary system is the only thing stopping us from making that possible.
everything this world revolves around, is money. Money is a form of paid slavery, with interest. Back in the day, slavery was paid by giving the
people shelter and food for trade. Today, slavery is run differently, people get paid to be sheltered and being able to eat. It is a form of slavery
ran by Money. Without money, no matter what govt you are running in, you have no way to survive. The only way to free people from poverty and a true
way of life, is to get rid of the monitary system altogether, for it is ultimately doomed, and there is no possible way of "balancing the
budget".
Every dollar printed, costs (around $20) to make, because of loans from the federal bank, to our govt(which is made to pay back with bonds and
interest). Home loans, car loans, ect ect.. is money that is being given out, that doesnt even exist in the first place. Its money made out of thin
air.
The banking system runs all of the worlds governments, the governments dont run the nations, the banks do! So the more that we accumulate from these
banks, the more we get in debt, because we never had the money in the first place. If every American paid off thier debt, and all of the debt owed in
the united states was paid off, our country would only be left with $1(and thats being generous). So until we have the monitary system going, the more
greed there is going to be within our nation. You have to think of socialism like this (Robbing from the rich to give to yourselves) Its not the govt
doing this to you, its the financial institutions doing this to you. You think its just the govt that causes most of the conflict in the world, when
really its the Federal reserves that leaves the govt. with no choice but to rob from other nations in order to make their own nation survive. Which
leads to World hunger, starvation, murder, crimes, and poverty. America is a great nation, but it has darker sides than any other nation on the
planet. Eventually, we are going to fall victim to our own
ignorance of how things really work, and its already happening(just look at our institutions today). We have accumulated over $10 trillion dollars
indebt, not to mention the other trillions of dollars that are about to be spent. TRILLIONS of dollars, that came out of thin air with nothing to back
it up with. All of that money you make every week from work, is money being paid to you that is already owed to somebody else, it holds no value.
We are amongst the greatest depression man has ever seen, and as we keep consuming goods of products that are owned by the banks(news stations, oil
companies, tv stations ect) we will never get out of it.
The only way for a better life, is to get rid of the monitary system, and developing a system available for all people, and that is a Resource Based
Economy. No Money, No politicians, no bankers, no crime, nothing but a free high standard living for everyone. And I am going to leaveit at that.
Thank you.
(if you dont agree with this post, then please, say something, because nothing ever gets done if people dont ask questions. We will always be stuck in
the same culture based off of old beliefs, old ideas, and an old understanding of how things really ought to work)
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reply posted on 19-11-2008 @ 07:04 AM by azureskys
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Thank you for your kind words.
When I found this information I was brought to tears and nearly vomited.
I now truly believe that all of the wars The United States has ever been involved in have been in the intrest only of the Federal Reserve Banking
System.
The "Constitution Of The United States Of America" has been perverted and beyond recognition.
According to the highest law of the land, the U.S. Constitution, ONLY silver and gold may be used as legal tender:
Art 1, Sec 10: No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of
Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the
Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.
How is it that the Federal Reserve Bank is owned by foreigners who have taken ownership of most of the U.S. with money they make out of nothing.
Follow the money & you find the real criminals
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reply posted on 19-11-2008 @ 07:21 AM by Anonymous ATS
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There is a video on youtube which is called Money Masters
www.youtube.com...
(or can be found on torrents as well). It is about 2,5 hours long and althought it is an older piece it covers the whole thing - from the very
beginning (it even predicts today's financial crisis!!!). It is absolutely worth watching!!! It will open your eyes.
All stories in this thread are only a small fraction - you have to see it to understand this situation's substance...
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reply posted on 19-11-2008 @ 07:32 AM by azureskys
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The purpose of the personal income tax is to redistribute wealth upward and to control the civil society. The purpose of the Federal Reserve is to
redistribute the wealth upward and to control the civil society. The receivers of the redistributed wealth and the controllers of the society are the
private owners of the Federal Reserve -- not the government
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reply posted on 19-11-2008 @ 07:34 AM by Scaye
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Exactly. If we want a change to this type of behavior, we have to change the game.
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