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Topic started on 17-11-2008 @ 06:09 AM by Cythraul
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Thanks to Muundoggie for bringing this to my attention in this thread. I did a search
and couldn't see any previous threads about it. This, my friends, is about as damning as the evidence gets. Anyone who's still under any illusion
that the banks have not been conspiring to enslave and deceive Americans (and likely all of the Western world) for at least a century might want to
read this and WAKE UP.
Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr. revealed the Bankers Manifesto of 1892 to the U.S. Congress somewhere between 1907 and 1917.
BANKERS MANIFESTO
We (the bankers) must proceed with caution and guard every move made, for the lower order of people are already showing signs of restless
commotion. Prudence will therefore show a policy of apparently yielding to the popular will until our plans are so far consummated that we can
declare our designs without fear of any organized resistance.
Organizations in the United States should be carefully watched by our trusted men, and we must take immediate steps to control these organizations
in our interest or disrupt them.
At the coming Omaha convention to be held July 4, 1892, our men must attend and direct its movement or else there will be set on foot such antagonism
to our designs as may require force to overcome.
This at the present time would be premature. We are not yet ready for such a crisis. Capital must protect itself in every possible manner through
combination (conspiracy) and legislation.
The courts must be called to our aid, debts must be collected, bonds and mortgages foreclosed as rapidly as possible.
When, through the process of law, the common people have lost their homes,
they will be more tractable and easily governed through the influence of the strong arm
of the government applied to a central power of imperial wealth under the control of the leading financiers.
People without homes will not quarrel with their leaders. History repeats itself in regular cycles. This truth is well known among our principal
men who are engaged in forming an imperialism of the world. While they are doing this, the people must be kept in a state of political antagonism.
The question of tariff reform must be urged through the organization known as the Democratic Party, and the question of protection with the
reciprocity must be forced to view through the Republican Party.
By thus dividing voters, we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us, except as teachers to the
common herd. Thus, by discrete actions, we can secure all that has been so generously planned and successfully accomplished.
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reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 07:17 AM by prevenge
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starred and flagged.
question...
to all who respond to this thread...
If you were a banker, at the top of the heap, understanding universal directives of mankind, in a world full of vastly uneducated barbarians..
Would you follow any other course of action than is illustrated here?
think about it.
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reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 07:31 AM by Cythraul
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Wait, there was another 'Manifesto' in 1934:
THE BANKERS’ MANIFESTO OF 1934
Capital must protect itself in every way, through combination and through legislation. Debts must be collected and loans and mortgages foreclosed as
soon as possible. When through a process of law, the common people have lost their homes, they will be more tractable and more easily governed by the
strong arm of the law applied by the central power of wealth, under control of leading financiers. People without homes will not quarrel with their
leaders. This is well known among our principle men now engaged in forming an IMPERIALISM of capital to govern the world. By dividing the people we
can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us except as teachers of the common herd. Thus by discrete action
we can secure for ourselves what has been generally planned and successfully accomplished.
WAKE UP AMERICA!
WAKE UP UK!
WAKE UP EUROPE!
As prevenge said, this is too logical to be disputed. When you control money, when you're already obscenely wealthy, not only do you have the power
to do anything to preserve that wealth, you have the incentive. I'd be suspicious if the banking elite had NOT put measures in place to maintain
their status quo. It's not rocket science.
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reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 07:42 AM by prevenge
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but I'm also looking at it.. and asking responders.. from a spectator's standpoint... "would you do any different??"
as in.. what are they guilty of.. if they're doing what anyone in their situation would do?
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reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 07:55 AM by 44soulslayer
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Originally posted by Cythraul
By thus dividing voters, we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us
WOW.
This has surely come to fruition. People argue along class based and party based lines about arbitrary crap while the real issues (fiat currency being
the largest) are equally ignored by both parties.
Chilling reading...
I think the only way to guarantee freedom is to never be in debt and manage your worthless paper money carefully (ie invest in gold, gilts, equities).
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reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 07:57 AM by davion
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How convenient, Lindbergh just so happens to have been in Congress from 1907 to 1917; basically what people are saying is they don't know when the
hell he introduced this, they just somehow "know" it was introduced sometime during his presence in Congress.
It's funny that I can't find any information about this, but here's an editorial note from one website that reported on this Manifesto:
Editorial Note: The following article was brought to the attention of the FDL by the Dove www.nesara.us... in her report dated Monday,
December 08, 2003 23:34, giving its source as www.dlkconsultants.org/manifesto.htm. We went to the source and have reproduced the text we found there
below. No copyright information was included with the source file.
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Also:
Source of where the website dlkconsultants.org came from.
Turns out dlkconsultants.org doesn't exist anymore, but thankfully there's a website out there that allows people to view snapshots of websites in
time, and here it is:
They were only around since 2002
Click on "Jun 30, 2002", you get a website that reads something like this:
I'm not going to promise you anything and this may or may not be for you, but if you knew FOR SURE it was possible to earn $40,000 up to $100,000
per month and retire in a few years -- is that a business you would want to at least know about? I was very skeptical and wanted to know if it was
really happening or if it was just a another "Hype". And to my surprise, I plundered into the "Mother Load" of all Network Companies. There are
people like you and I already making $10,000 - $20,000 - $30,000 - $50,000 - And even $100,000 per month. So what is different with this company than
any other? The Answer! Because they have the most Unique product on the face of the earth. A Product that is making people Vibrant Healthy and
Radically Wealthy.
Yeah, that sounds like a reliable source.
Click on any 2003 snapshot and you'll see they overhauled their scam website to be more in line with "debts, mortgage, and financial problems" you
can navigate around their site and you'll find that they are offering "free consultations" on how to remove debt and help with financial
problems.
From the looks of it, it was a scam website trying to sucker people into consultations and getting desperate people to buy whatever the hell they were
selling. I'm going to assume that this "manifesto" was a way for them to play on peoples fear and desperation so they would open their wallets.
Here's the snapshots of the Manifesto as well, which apparently only existed since 2003 on their website:
Here
For something so controversial and damning when it comes to banks and bankers you'd think something like this would have already been known about, at
least in a historical context. Save for a handful of websites there's no information at all on this Manifesto.
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reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 08:16 AM by Cythraul
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Originally posted by davion
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Well thank you for that. I suppose I should be a little more reserved about the integrity of this manifesto. May or may not be legitimate, but if not,
that's where skepticism becomes invaluable.
Perhaps someone else is well positioned to authenticate this!? If not, I think prevenge's point is still an important one. Why would the
super-wealthy elite bankers do anything else?
I'll have to look into it.
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reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 08:17 AM by prevenge
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can't find any record of him writing or releasing that manifesto..
but after reading his wiki biography..
he seems a pretty unlikely candidate to have written such..
en.wikipedia.org...
Famous quotes -
"This [Federal Reserve Act] establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President (Woodrow Wilson) signs this bill, the invisible
government of the monetary power will be legalized....the worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency
bill."[4]
Also quoted as: * "This Act establishes the most gigantic trust on Earth. When the President signs this bill, the invisible government
by the Monetary Power will be legalized, the people may not know it immediately but the day of reckoning is only a few years removed.... The worst
legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking bill." *
"A radical is one who speaks the truth."[4] * "The Aldrich Plan is the Wall Street Plan. It means another panic, if necessary, to intimidate
the people. Aldrich, paid by the government to represent the people, proposes a plan for the trusts instead." - The Aldrich Plan (History of central
banking in the United States) was a forerunner to that which spawned the Federal Reserve. *
"To cause high prices, all the Federal Reserve Board will do will be to lower the rediscount rate..., producing an expansion of credit and a rising
stock market; then when ... business men are adjusted to these conditions, it can check ... prosperity in mid career by arbitrarily raising the rate
of interest.
It can cause the pendulum of a rising and falling market to swing gently back and forth by slight changes in the discount rate, or cause violent
fluctuations by a greater rate variation and in either case it will possess inside information as to financial conditions and advance knowledge of the
coming change, either up or down.
This is the strangest, most dangerous advantage ever placed in the hands of a special privilege class by any Government that ever existed.
The system is private, conducted for the sole purpose of obtaining the greatest possible profits from the use of other people's money. They know in
advance when to create panics to their advantage, They also know when to stop panic. Inflation and deflation work equally well for them when they
control finance."*
"The financial system [...] has been turned over to the Federal Reserve Board. That board administers the finance system by authority of [...] a
purely profiteering group. The system is private, conducted for the sole purpose of obtaining the greatest possible profits from the use of other
people's money."
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reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 08:18 AM by Jemison
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If you were a banker, at the top of the heap, understanding universal directives of mankind, in a world full of vastly uneducated barbarians..
Not all bankers are/were corrupt and evil and some actually had their priorities straight. It's unfortunate that there isn't someone like Wellborn
helping us out of this mess today!
The Bank Meets Its First Crisis
If the economic shocks of World War I brought business and elements of prosperity to the Atlanta Fed, the postwar consequences brought worries and one
dramatic test of the Bank’s ability to break the boom-and-bust cycles that had played havoc with the region’s agrarian economy. The disputes
between Wellborn and McCord had been settled just in time to leave Wellborn completely in control when the “bubble” of postwar inflation sent
prices soaring and then crashing. Wellborn’s daring leadership guided the Bank to one of its finest hours.
The bubble burst spectacularly in the summer of 1920, when cotton dropped from 40 cents a pound to 9 cents in just 60 days. Other commodities followed
the same pattern. Cotton growers were caught with their crops in the fields and their market wiped out. It was for just such situations that the
Federal Reserve Banks had been created, Wellborn believed, but he never had expected to confront the problem in such proportions. He did not hesitate,
however, to put the full resources of the Bank behind the cotton crop of the South and the farmers and bankers who would fail if the crop did. Loans
to member banks shot up from an already substantial $88 million earlier in the year to more than $182 million by November. In fact, Wellborn went well
beyond the financial resources of the Atlanta Fed in his effort to supply credit...
When Harding continued to criticize the “too lenient” lending policy of the Atlanta Fed, an unrepentant Wellborn replied on December 23: “Your
Board, it seems to me, is laboring under an error in thinking that it is our policy ‘to carry loans indefinitely for member banks until cotton
reaches a price that is satisfactory to the producers’. . . . [O]ur policy is merely to give them reasonable time to find a market in these
disturbed times, in order to keep them from ‘dumping’ their products on the market at one time. To do otherwise at this critical time would force
a disaster upon our agricultural and business interests that might perhaps have the effect of bringing on a state of panic and bankruptcy.”
Wellborn’s strategy worked. The price of cotton rebounded to 20 cents a pound by September 1921, and the Atlanta Bank retired its borrowings from
Cleveland by April of that year. The crisis passed. The prestige of both Wellborn and the Bank increased greatly as a result of such strong support
for District enterprises. There was now a growing, grateful group of member banks, convinced of the value of membership. Nationwide, there were about
30,000 commercial banks in 1921, one-third of which were members. Of the 505 failures that year, though, 71, or only 14 percent, were member banks.
Thus, in the eyes of many, the System was vindicated.
www.frbatlanta.org...
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reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 10:02 AM by Loki
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Compare this to a real legal document from the 1890s and you will find that it does not mesh either in language or composition.
Sorry but I call hoax.
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reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 10:13 AM by Cythraul
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Originally posted by Loki
Compare this to a real legal document from the 1890s and you will find that it does not mesh either in language or composition.
Sorry but I call hoax.
I hope you're right. But there are an awful lot of websites legitimizing it.
Interesting to note that Charles A. Lindbergh was somewhat famous for opposing the Federal Reserve Act.
"This Act establishes the most gigantic trust on Earth. When the President signs this bill, the invisible government by the Monetary Power will be
legalized, the people may not know it immediately but the day of reckoning is only a few years removed.... The worst legislative crime of the ages is
perpetrated by this banking bill."
Sure sounds like the kind of person who would've brought attention to a banker manifesto, if one existed.
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reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 10:25 AM by HunkaHunka
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Yep.. and I bet you believe in the "Elders of Zion" papers as well..
I mean.. really.. look at all the Jews in Hollywood!
I mean.. it's logical! So it must be true!
Bah...
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reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 10:27 AM by Symbiote
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Seems like another "Protocols of Zion".
It certainly sums up what has happened and what is happening, but some people will be doubtful of the origin and discard the message as a result.
Since histories are written by historians, it seems sort of pointless to debate the veracity of the works. We really can't know.
A better line of questioning might be "Does it apply to the present situation? If so, what can be gleaned from this?"
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reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 10:36 AM by counterterrorist
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great post! keep up the great work! -- and watch out for the disinfo folks who will try to disrupt and distract, thanks again.
here's another interesting one (speaking of Lincoln's Greenbacks):
"If this mischievous financial policy which has its origin in North American during the late war in that country, shall become endurated down to
a fixture, then that Government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without debt. It will have all the money
necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous without precedent in the history of the world. The brains, and wealth of all countries
will go to North America. That country must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe." ~ Hazard Circular, inserted in 1865 London
Times, speaking of Lincoln's 'Greenbacks'.
"Capital must protect itself in every possible manner by combination & legislation. Debts must be collected, bonds & mortgages must be foreclosed as
rapidly as possible. When, through a process of law, the common people lose their homes they will become more docile & more easily governed through
the influence of the strong arm of government, applied by a central power of wealth under control of leading financiers. This truth is well known
among our principal men now engaged in forming an imperialism of Capital to govern the world. By dividing voters through the political party system,
we get them to expend energies fighting over questions of no importance. Thus by discreet action we can secure for ourselves what has been so well
planned & successfully accomplished. ~Aug. 25, 1924 USA Banker's Magazine
here's the folks who privately own the Fed and their companies, which dominate all others: Federal
Reserve Directors: A Study of Corporate & Banking Influence --U.S. House of Representatives, 94th Congress,
2nd session, Aug. 1976, Federal Reserve Directors,
a Study of Corporate & Banking Influence (72 charts)
and here's a few more:
"Banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If American people ever allow private banks to control the
issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks & corporations that will grow up around will deprive the people of all
property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks & restored
to the people, to whom it properly belongs." ~ President Thomas Jefferson, 1801-1809
"Bankers are a den of vipers. I intend to rout you out & by the Eternal God I will rout you out. If the people only understood the rank injustice of
our central bank system, there would be a revolution before morning. If the central bank continues to control our currency, receiving our public
monies, & holding thousands of our citizens in dependence, it would be more formidable & dangerous than the naval & military power of the enemy. It is
not our own citizens only who are to receive the bounty of our government ... More than 8 million dollars of the stock of this bank are held by
foreigners ... Is there no danger to our liberty & independence in a bank that in its nature has so little to bind it to our country? If government
would confine itself to equal protection, and, as Heaven does its rains, shower its favor alike on the high & the low, the rich & the poor, it would
be an unqualified blessing."
~ President Andrew Jackson, 1829-1837
"Whoever controls the money of a nation, controls that nation & is absolute master of all industry & commerce. When you realize that the entire
system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation &
depression originate."
~ President James Garfield, 1881
"We began planning the Revolutionary War in order to issue our own money again ...and keep King George III and Bank of England from enslaving us with
debt, and making Americans their financial slaves. By the time the revolutionary war started, Apr. 19 1775, British taxation had sucked the gold and
silver out of the American colonies, to Britain. So, we had to print money to finance the war." ~ Benjamin Franklin, a 'founding father', 1706-1790
"The privilege of creating and issuing money is the supreme prerogative of Government, the Government's greatest creative opportunity. By adoption
of these principles, taxpayers are saved immense sums of interest." ~ President Abraham Lincoln, 1861-1866
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reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 10:39 AM by tyranny22
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WOW. Sounds a lot like what's going on today.
Do you think this could have been in the works for this long? We all know the Depression was caused by deliberate Wall Street fear mongering. Maybe
this was what they were working towards then. They just needed to adjust the markets and regulations more than they had originally anticipated.
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reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 10:40 AM by counterterrorist
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First two charts are from: Federal Reserve Directors: A Study of Corporate & Banking Influence -- Staff Report, Committee on Banking, Currency &
Housing --U.S. House of Representatives, 94th Congress,
2nd session, Aug. 1976, Federal Reserve Directors,
a Study of Corporate & Banking Influence (72 charts) ...w/ownership shares added by Eustace Mullins free online copy of ‘Secrets of Federal
Reserve’, by Eustace Mullins www.whale.to...
Third chart is by Antony Sutton (see videos at www.abovetopsecret.com...).
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reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 10:41 AM by Loki
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Okay compare that there with another primary source document of the time, a document of a similar nature to this 'manifesto'.
1896 Republican Platform:
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reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 10:56 AM by Anonymous ATS
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This is a hoax. This 'manifesto' fits in nicely with ol' Lindy's 'Money Trust' if you don't do any research e.g. Ah...he wrote that and the
manifesto must be lodged in there somewhere etc
However, there is no mention of a banker's manifesto within this work (that I could find - doing a quick scan).
The language and grammar are wrong for the era (even for Americans)! Tickety Tock, must fly.
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reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 12:26 PM by Jkd Up
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This doesn't even suprise me. Nothing at all is shocking. Only someone who in NO way thought that this was going on could be blind-sided by it.
That person would have to believe without a shadow of a doubt that the banks work for THEM. This is... Of course... Not true.
Thank you for bringing this forward to enlighten the "common herd" as the bankers so eloquently put it. That dear ATSers is exactly how they see
us... A herd.
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reply posted on 17-11-2008 @ 12:29 PM by Cythraul
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Originally posted by HunkaHunka
I mean.. it's logical! So it must be true!
Easy there tiger. I never said it's true because it's logical, just that it's logical. I've already conceived to the possibility that this might
not be genuine (and given credit where due) and am hoping we can get to the bottom of it. What more do you want from me?
Originally posted by counterterrorist
great post! keep up the great work! -- and watch out for the disinfo folks who will try to disrupt and distract, thanks again.
Thank you, and you're probably right. But I do actually appreciate the input by well-meaning skeptics here. Hopefully with a balanced outlook we can
ascertain the integrity of this manifesto. I could do with checking my sources more thoroughly  .
Originally posted by tyranny22
WOW. Sounds a lot like what's going on today.
Do you think this could have been in the works for this long?
That's precisely why I posted it and yes, I'm confident that this agenda has outlasted a century or two (and that stands true whether this document
is real or not). If the banks (or the elite at the top of the pile) have implemented a controlled demolition of the economy, it's not a new
plan. It's one part of a very old, very intricate conspiracy.
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