Originally posted by JohnnyElohim
They didn't do violence. They didn't intend to do violence.
You call that honesty ?? Putting words in my mouth then accusing me of seeing the world in absolutes and like most of you in here so busy obfuscating
the truth by misrepresentation, mis quotes and quote mining, I see you doing the same thing here. You don't know what their intentions were Johnny,
for how could you? They certainly were acts of angst aggression as I said moreover it WAS malicious, as I said. Now saying their intentions were not
violent? How many of you would consider that doing something like they did might just cause someone to attack some of those who were perpetrating
this idiotic, stupid, act of intolerance and hate. Like I said, if it were me at that church, their most likely would have been. I would welcome
this kind of protest where I attend Church as I know many there would have escorted the bitchs to the door and most of us "carry" having concealed
weapons permits. It's just that kind of cowardice these radical queers as they call themselves are about though, only picking on places and people
they can get away without a fight. That is STILL a gamble however and for you to suggest they had no intention of violence is so damn presumptuous of
you Johnny, I think you need to debate someone who is say,, more your speed, someone like Light Angel for instance.
I mean really you look at the gays today and what they are about is hate hate hate. They talk about intolerance and against bigotry saying religion
oppresses them when what I think is they are the worst kind of hypocrite, the worst kind of bigot and the worst kind of oppressor.
Just look at most Gaythesist websites where they are constantly and I DO MEAN Constantly mocking everyone even their own Gays they say need to be
"OUTED" which is a form of emotional extortion where anyone they deem is a closeted homosexual is harassed by them or as they say "exploited till
they come out and admit what they are" Well what if they are wrong? In many cases they were and law suits are pending now because of this asinine
crap Gaytheists are pulling.
This kind of behavior makes me cringe. Yeah, that'll make people more open to your beliefs, if you act like that. Don't give me any garbage saying
"This is the way civil and equal rights are won" It's one thing to protest, it's wholly another to aggressively confront someone in their house of
worship. Can you imagine if this same scene was played out in a mosque? There'd be a lot of headless gay folks soon afterward, I imagine. But, as
usual, the liberal American double-standard applies. It's somehow OK for gays to harass straight people, but if a straight person even whispers a
word like "homo" it's a hate crime.
I'm sure it comforts you to see the world purely in absolutes, but that doesn't lend itself to comprehension. Your appeal to common sense is an
empty one. I agree their behavior was immature and unhelpful, but I don't agree that the motive was malice and I don't agree that there was ever
threat or pretense of threat. So, you know. No black and white.
No John John, the Black and White is DEAD ON that this was WRONG and THEY were WRONG and YOU ARE WRONG TOO. what is this " I'm sure it comforts
you to see the world purely in absolutes, but that doesn't lend itself to comprehension." WTF is that ?? You talk to me as if you think I give two
cents about what you think. Here is something for you to comprehend,, I DON'T CARE
I did pay attention. You should owe up to your insinuations and assertions
Look John John,, YOU asked the question using a one of the most asinine straw men I have ever seen suggesting I was saying "the reason they should be
punished is because I said it could escalate and someone can get killed." When anyone at a 7th grade reading level would understand what is logical
in that statement and that is
1) The possibility exists that someone might get killed if this is allowed to escalate
2) It WILL escalate if they are allowed to continue un-punished and we sweep it under the rug using pretty lil sayings like this " I'm not quite
sure what you're saying here, but it sure sounds scary. Non-violent protest in violation of your comfort zone justifies a violent response, if I'm
reading you correctly. Suffice to say, not very Christ-like
Spare me that Christian Reputation you think I am to live up to because this was done in a CHURCH and ya know what Jesus would have done if you acted
like this? He would have thrown your butts out like he did the money changers.
3) So the LOGICAL REASON I think they should be punished is again THEY BROKE THE LAW!
So when you say,,
You should owe up to your insinuations and assertions
I just did AGAIN and any further deliberate misunderstandings by you and Ill put you on ignore, like Light Angel who is now, I have better things to
do than argue with people that are just too much exercise when they willfully intend to remain a fool ignorant of the truth and irreverent of facts.
Choice is yours.
Glad to see you measuring your words a little more carefully. Suffice to say, you are to your side of the fence what they are to theirs, and if your
views were marginalized like theirs, I'd be inclined to defend you in a similar circumstance.
Gays have nothing to bitch about pal and if anyone has been marginalized is is Christians and maybe this would be a good time to educate those lurking
on these boards and those seeking to know what is really behind all this stuff because it isn't about gays not being able to marry. No this is about
more than that.
This is about letting them get a good look in the mirror and I don't have to be a Christian to get livid over this, no this is what Gays have been
doing for quite some time and I say, we better get a good look at ourselves because once this is heading in the direction it has started to, we are
libel to end up where we are headed and I for one, find it repugnant.
This is about their lifestyle and sticking it back in the closet so it isn't in our children's classes our straight web dating match maker sites
like e-harmony where Gay Lawsuits forced the owner to allow Gays on a straight dating website. Why? Because you had your rights violated? This guy
is straight that owns it and the people there are all straight. If Gays want a damn matchmaker website MAKE THEIR OWN!
Holy Matrimony between a man and a woman or marriage for all its flaws and mishaps and divorces it is something Christians don't want gays involved
in SO the state in its attempts to placate the whining cryers of Gaytheism created "Civil Unions" MOST of which have every possible benefit Marriage
has with the exception of the words Marriage to "Husband and Wife"
This isn't about equal rights because they HAVE those rights, it is about having something they can't have without being straight and that is a
feeling of acceptance married couples have.
That is what this is about and the slippery slope is where they intend to take it after they get that they won't settle for just that, NOOO they want
our damn KIDS too!.
Most gays you read about have this idea in their heads that all woman are good for is breeding and that most straight men are gay if they only get an
opportunity to show them "Gay is the way". If you read the following article, you'll see one of the Gay movements most vocal spokespersons
actually says that being Gay is a learned behavior and THAT is just what I am saying is WE DON'T WANT IT LEGITIMIZED when if they are going to say
it's genetic in one argument yet has to be learned on another. The double standards are seemingly infinite when it comes to using the ACLU to turn
this country into the most debased immoral unethical type of Disneyland for adults and adulterers .
They are pushing NOT just Christians but rednecks, bikers, bricklayers Butchers bakers and candlestick makers too far and UNLIKE the Civil Rights
Movement where equality is defined as a people of any color the Gay movement has the same distinction. They are any color but because they think they
have sex a "special way" we are supposed to allow them to indoctrinate their way of having sex as if it is a distinction like race or gender when it
is about ONE THING and that is a self indulgent act of SEX that's IT! When they asked the largest gay forum on the internet to ofer a thread asking
what favorites posts were we get a real fine picture where the average gay persons head is at just by checking out the thread and I warn you it IS
graphic and it IS vulgar and sickening to say the least yet we are to think they should be considered as equal to parents of familys with a MOM and
NO WAY NO HOW AND NO NOT EVER
Ya know what, I think the kind of sex they have is sick and twisted but that is THEIR BUSINESS, but when they want to screw my son via public
schools they are having sex with my boy by proxy cognition. They want to get in my face about that?? Ill tell you what will get in their face and it
has five knuckles sent with bad intentions. Call me a Bigot and Ill call you one, Call me intolerant and Ill call you that too I see too much of the
same they are guilty of they accuse us for. You wanna call me a homophobe as if I am afraid, I fear NO MAN and if their is a word for fear of
straight men with an axe to grind then I'd say to them BE afraid, Be VERY AFRAID as I am pretty certain most would have reason to fear me, this kind
of thing gets me that angry and again it is about taking from us what is NONE of their business and forcing their sexual religion of humanism on our
children and THEY are NONE of THEIR business!
A University of Michigan class that earlier prompted state lawmakers to consider a 10 percent budget penalty for the school and is taught by a
homosexual professor openly endorsing the "uncompromising political militancy" of "lesbian and gay studies" is returning.
But so is the opposition.
The class at the tax-funded University of Michigan in Ann Arbor is called "How to be Gay: Male Homosexuality and Initiation," and is taught by David
It surfaced in 2000, returned the following year and again a couple years later. Now university officials have confirmed it is returning, and Gary
Glenn, president of the American Family Association of Michigan, said "it was and remains an outrageous abuse of taxpayer dollars."
"Each time it has been offered we have renewed our objections to it. The first time around the Michigan House of Representatives came with a few
votes of cutting the university budget by 10 percent," he said.
He said Halperin "makes no bones about it on the other side of the world, knowingly using tax dollars to promote the militant political agenda of
Glenn was referring to Halperin's writings on his activities as part of his work in Australia, where he spends part of each year.
There, Halperin has written, "The fact is that lesbian and gay studies simply is the academic wing of the lesbian, bisexual, gay, and transgender
movement … no one in the field has ever (to my knowledge at least) contested this…"
"Let there be no mistake about it: lesbian and gay studies, as it is currently practiced in the U.S., expresses an uncompromising political
militancy," he wrote.
"We have lobbied universities and professional associations to adopt and enforce anti-discrimination policies, to recognise same-sex couples, to
oppose the U.S. military's anti-gay policy, to suspend professional activities in states that criminalize gay sex or limit access to abortion, and to
intervene on behalf of human rights for lesbians, bisexuals, and gay men at the local and national levels," he wrote in Australian Humanities Review.
"Just because you happen to be a gay man doesn't mean that you don't have to learn how to become one," he writes in the University of Michigan
course description. "Gay men do some of that learning on their own, but often we learn how to be gay from others, either because we look to them for
instruction or because they simply tell us what they think we need to know, whether we ask for their advice or not."
Further, he advises potential students, "the course itself will constitute an experiment in the very process of initiation that it hopes to
University officials posted a defense of the decision to allow the course on the university website, a tacit acknowledgment of its controversial
"This course is not about encouraging people to become gay, but about how individuals in our society create meaning and beliefs about gay culture
from literature and the arts," explained Robert M. Owen, associate dean for undergraduate education. "The course also makes no assumptions about the
sexual orientation of its students."
"We are aware that much of the concern is with the title of the course and acknowledge that the interpretation of that title is very troubling for
some people. The English Department … approved this course," he said.
Provost Paul Courant boasted of the evolution of the school into one "of the finest public institutions of higher education in the world" and
attributed that to "the free and open exchange of ideas."
He said Halperin's course "is similar to literature courses taught at many other universities in our state and across our country."
Concerns over Halperin's actions were raised even within the homosexual community. In an online forum for homosexuals, one wrote, "Having a course
in initiating young people into the gay lifestyle? Isn't that what Christian Fundementalists (sic) claim actually goes on in the gay community? Thank
you Dr. Halperin for confirming their suspicions."
Halperin also has written that, "I still find the possibility of an open, uncensored, honest, and sexually explicit gay male literature thrilling,
and I expected my students to do the same…"
"Lesbian/gay studies necessarily straddles scholarship and politics …. It would be hard to be more explicit than that," said Halperin, who is has
written several homosexual-oriented books.
In the past, Glenn promised, "Every time U-M offers this ludicrous class, you and I cannot fail to speak out against it."
Reports said in 2003, Halperin refused to meet Glenn's offer for a face-to-face public debate on the merits of the class.
References to a "mother" and "father" in any school text appear to be threatened, because they could be interpreted as "reflecting" a bias
against the "Partner 1" and "Partner 2" of same-sex lifestyles.
Homosexual activists are expected to show up today at the trial of a Massachusetts man arrested while attempting to secure a promise from school
officials to notify parents before teaching about homosexuality in his son's kindergarten class.
Why do they care that we want a notice about what OUR kids are learning about gays. They DON'T HAVE A RIGHT as they say because they are OUR KIDS!
If they are Gay, they don't need GAYS teaching them how to be gay no more than I did to be straight no more than the monkeys do in nature.
Gay webs are loaded with this hate speak and a total obsession with the most filthy disgusting depraved debauchery they want to call "love making"
and it is THAT they are defined as NOT what they are ,, but what they do. It is what they do that we, DO NOT HAVE TO TOLERATE and it is THAT we have
become to soft on and too accepting because I ain't buying their BS
It's not an ultimatum. It's a sequitur. If you don't back your loudly stated claims with rational discourse, the validity of your point
An ultimatum (Latin: the last one) is a demand whose fulfillment is requested in a specified period of time
If you don't learn ENGLISH it isn't JUST the validity of your point that suffers, your whole life will
suffer but this is all besides the point when I know you are splitting hairs in the first place.
WHY does silly little minutia like this have to be taken time to explain to you when it has nothing to do with the central message of the OP. In the
interest of expedient efficiency, can we stick with what is at the heart of the matter here rather than nit pick at things I am going to prove you
wrong about anyway? I mean I feel like I am picking on you now but hey,, you ask and as usual, you are lost without a clue.
When you dismiss their argument accordingly, it is indeed an ad hominem..
You dismiss the whole argument getting us off track on more minutia guy,, if you think my fonts are to loud then turn your volume down. I can't help
you and your silly sensitivities and am finding your passive aggressive posting style so smack dab in the middle of the typical gay hypocrisy it is
EXAMPLE: The thread "Sparks Fly As 'Gay" Activist Mob Swarm Christians www.abovetopsecret.com...
In this thread the Gays are suggesting here too that it was the Christians ASKING for this because they were in the "gay turf" or demonstrating in
the Gay Dist. This to me is where people like you suggesting this crap where we can't handle having our comfort zone threatened, falls on deaf ears
when I can say the SAME THING about them in the so called "Gay Dist" .
The facts are the facts and in EACH of these two cases, the facts are clear and Gays are wrong for acting this way and surely is not the same thing as
Racial Civil Rights or Woman's suffrage. This is NOT going to go away without Gays finding out the hard way that they have pushed their agenda to
the point where THEY WILL BE HATED and who they are having sex with will have NOTHING to do with it. It is the Idea they think we have to bow down to
their sexual religion ideology that will inevitably be their undoing and unlike racial issues, again, this isn't about what they are, but what they
do and what they do, is NONE OF OUR BUSINESS. So they best keep it to themselves or THEY WILL find there is a HUGE difference between a Christian
Right that is wrong and one that if crushing gays to the point of violence is wrong, they won't want to be right and they won't really give a rats
azz what God thinks about it.
This is something whammy and I may disagree on too but I am as ticked off by Christians who put up with this garbage and have made the idea of hating
the sin and not the sinner such a politically correct addition to Christian Church's they just don't get it anymore. Gays DON'T CARE ABOUT OUR
GODS DISAPPROVAL OF THEIR SIN and anymore, unless they are seeking us out, I think we should leave them the hell alone but when it comes to politics
and their ultimate agendas AND THERE ARE MANY, that is when ALL of us need to take a good hard look at what gays really want and why. Most straights
NEED to read Gay Bloggs and Forums if the yreally want to find out and after you do I think you'll find your support of gays rights is NOT in your
best interests all you straight gaytheist sypathizers out there.
So I say then the hell with that, CARE about what we will do if they keep pushing. The name Bash Back is what they think they are doing as an answer
to Religious imposing oppression? They have NO idea what's on the horizon
Not really concerned with it. Fact is, you're battling the raging gays and defending America from an Obama presidency. Just saying, glass
NOT CONCERNED WITH IT?? Hey Johnny my boy,, if you ain't concerned with it,, then DON'T BRING IT UP!
Is this so hard to do?? Can we dismiss with the nit picky BS and stay on topic rather than opine away thinking you are waxing poetic about the
protocols of logical fallacy and inductive reasoning as if you think you know anything about it because you don't and that my friend, is
Ill tell you I really don't care what your opinions are regarding this Idea you have that you are a writing critic or what you think makes you look
intelligent. I know more people with Doctorates that are just educated idiots, so I am not impressed with your attempts to malign me as somewhat of
a bully here when I can use the same logic YOU do and suggest that you just can't handle your worldview being challenged. Again, the whole thing is
You know what is most funny about Gaytheists they call a view held by less than ten percent of the American public "common sense".
They berate the Mormon Church for their finacial support against prop 8 yet and Black list Rosie O'Donnel for NOT supporting it while not seeing the
monumental hypocrisy in garnering any financial support from Hollywood. You feel that Christians who go into atheist chat rooms are "shoving their
beliefs down people's throats", and that gaytheists who go into Christian chat rooms are only trying to educate. The gays are stupid enough to think
gaytheists are treated like second-class citizens. Yet they spend most of their day belittling Christians and other religious people on these
I only care what FACTS are and so far their has been a good argument that terrorism may be overstated by the OP, HOWEVER, the fact IS this and many
more actions like this perpetrated by gays are INTOLERABLE and believe it or not,, NOT EVERYTHING EVERYONE DOES Should be tolerated, this in fact is
one of many things you and many more here seem to be defending the actions of those who were unequivocally DEAD WRONG and making excuses for them when
this and many more acts on the Gays agenda, should definitely,,
NOT BE TOLERATED
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