Originally posted by The Vagabond
My point exactly. It's wonderful that you get that. There is a school of thought that some Christians but not all of them adhere to which treats
homosexuality as a worse sin than others. Some people will tell you that a homosexual cannot possibly have given his heart to God.
The point of the argument I presented is to corner such people into putting themselves in the shoes of their victims. We forgive sins we can relate
to- like gossip. We say, "the bible says gossip is as bad as murder, but i try not to do it at least and i know that jesus has forgiven me for that
weakness". We understand the inability to stop sinning in that case.
Oh people that are in Christ do understand it. People indwelt with the Holy spirit can testify it is a process of regeneration. Often painful. If you
commit the same sin repeatedly it is evidence you need to question your position in Christ. "i know that Jesus has forgiven me for that
weakness"." is a convenient lie people tell themselves - just like the lie you can live a gay lifestyle and go to heaven - both are false doctrine.
Fake Christianity is Satan's best tool - if you don't think you're sick - you won't seek the Dr.
Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I
will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
But we don't understand the temptation to be homosexual. So we don't understand the inability to stop sinning in that case. So we don't see how
such people could be sincere in their desire to follow God. So we turn to the law, which exists to cast light on the nature of sin, and the law forces
one to place himself in the shoes of a homosexual, to empathize, and to acknowledge that it is just another sin and every bit as forgivable as the
Oh I understand it just fine. I have struggled with addictions in the past - it was very difficult to stop. I could have never done it on my own
power, but by surrendering my life to Christ I was freed. There is absolutely no difference - except that there are plenty of liars leading people to
hell by pandering to homosexual sin.
" I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your
reasonable service." (Ro 12:1)
Oh, I guess you don't get it afterall.
Oh I understand you - it's called humanism - not Christianity.
You keep committing the same sins over and over again too. We all do.
No actually I don't. No one who is truly in Christ will. You are dead wrong. I can look at my life and see a pattern of regeneration that is where my
assurance comes from.
THERE IS NO DISTINCTION AMONG PEOPLE, dude. We love to classify people right out of humanity. We classify their marriages differently so they dont
have quite the same rights, and we classify their sins differently so they don't have salvation, and it's all intellectually and scripturally
bankrupt. The lack of respect for the rest of humanity is just sad.
The bible says there HUGE distinctions among people. In fact most are going to hell. Christianity is the narrow gate and few may enter.
Humanity is the problem - Christianity is about dying to self and crucifying the flesh - not making excuses to feed its lusts.
"And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires." (Ga 5:24)
1 Cor 6:9 is very explicit that homosexuals do not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Christians do not define themselves by sexuality - period.
People with a history of that behavior recover all the time - never to return to it. I know some personally and they are much happier now - they have
true joy. The solution is to surrender fully to Christ and repent from the behavior - and to no longer define yourself by sexual urges.
My point is that they are not remaining in sin unrepentantly any more than you or any other Christian.
And you have psychic super powers in which you have verified the sins of all Christians? If they remain in a gay lifestyle they most likely are not in
Christ. - 1 cor 6:9 is very cut and dry.
If you really want to keep going over the scripture I've got more for you, but since you're guilty of homosexual sodomy in the eyes of god there is
really not much point in your reading the bible.
You are clearly attempting to conform Christianity to the pattern of the world. You are a humanist. You twist the scripture to fit your need to be of
"And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and
perfect will of God." (Ro 12:2)
It has little to do with what ones has done - it's about repentance - it's a visible pattern of progress and regeneration. If that is not visible
and you conform to the world - you are likely not in Christ.
[edit on 11/22/2008 by Bigwhammy]