Originally posted by CaptGizmo
FOCAL TOP SECRET (FTS)
Never heard of that one.
Originally posted by mortalengine
This has always confused me, this "compartmentalised" theory of how these operations are run. The reason being that human beings can only work
according to a certain structure when it comes to this sort of thing. There needs to be someone who is accountable, and someone who that person is
accountable too. The buck needs to stop at some place, so who is the head honcho here ?
It's like someone said, the compartments are "flavors" of information sources. The actual black "UFO projects" are likely contained within
unacknowledged special access programs. Although some may fall under the domain of SCI, SAPs are an additional, tighter level of "need to know"
requirement beyond SCI compartments.
A SAP's security apparatus is structured like a cone. With peons on the bottom knowing little outside of their immediate job responsibilities, and as
you go up the chain, gradually workers have wider perspective or "tickets". And the tricky part is there maybe SAPs
contained within other
SAPs. Project Moondust for example, likely had other layers inside of it. That's where shadow govt type descriptions sound realistic.
As I understand it, the administrator of a SAP is accountable for security and is the only entity with the "big picture", for that specific program.
They are the SOLE authority on who is briefed and into what aspects of the project. As weird as it seems, I think many SAPs reside within private, not
govt channels.
The deepest black SAPs must all require polygraphs and intrusive monitoring. I can't imagine scientists actually handling bona fide alien craft not
being closely sequestered and watched.
Originally posted by mortalengine
Are you saying that the highest ranking officer in Area 51 is actually prevented from entering into a certain area by privates guarding the door ?
What of the lower ranking officers within the compartment ? Do they have any right over a higher ranking official who decides he wants to take a
peek?
What if they do have a right to prevent the higher officer, would it not be easy for him to blackmail them by threatening them with a court marshall ?
Afterall - who will they believe more ? some lower rank officer or the highest ranking and most respected officer at the facility ?
Assuming the ongoing work there is as vast as commonly believed, it's virtually guaranteed the highest ranking officer at A-51 doesn't have access
to everything going on there. In the context of my last pargraph, A-51 must have
multiple SAPs on site.
Arthur Exon, a former Commanding Officer of Wright Patterson spoke of the "unholy thirteen" UFO research group on the base. His friend Senator
Goldwater asked for access to the "blue room" and General Exon flew off the handle. You can bet if Exon showed up announced to this restricted area,
without having clearance, he would not be allowed inside, no matter his rank or privilege.
Yes you have a right over a higher ranking officer that wants to "take a peak"! That would be a serious breach of security and get reported.
When you gain that high of clearance, you're inducted into a culture, that would prevent such a scenario from ever happening. It's outlandish to
think someone above you would attempt blackmail to gain access to information they're not cleared to have.
Originally posted by mortalengine
This is why I dont buy into this compartment theory - the structure is completely unmanageable - you could NEVER run a business like that. At some
point SOMEONE must know everything, if not higher ranking officials then the finance dept definately knows. Someone has to balance the figures and
handle the books...
There is nothing to buy into. Nobody said it was efficient. Compartmentalization is simply a fact in intelligence operations. Read James Bamford's
excellent books about the National Security Agency for some insight.
The most highly classified spending is done off the books. There are exemptions for national security. Last time I checked, officially the government
is spending around 40-50 billion a year on black ops. The reality is likely several times that amount.
Sec of Defense Rumsfeld admitted the Pentagon could not account for TRILLIONS of dollars over the last decade. One of the big problems they face, is
making sure their efforts aren't duplicated within other compartments and agencies. There is a controlling SCI authority within the DoD to monitor
for these trends, but they don't get briefed on all the most sensitive (unacknowledged) stuff.
This article is worth reading too.
On Black Special Access Programs
www.ufoskeptic.org...