Originally posted by NavalFC
This is BS. There is no "level" above top secret, but then you get into top secret/ compartmentalized information. here in a project each portion is compartmentalzied and no one in any compartment knows anything about the others......

Also, the audio of the gentleman who suggest information was intentionally withheld from President Jimmy Carter is SOOOO out of synch as to be ridiculous.

This is BS, IMHO.

Originally posted by Retikx

...so you believe that the us govt is covering up UFO's? You believe that they are capable of covering up the existence of intelligent alien life in space.. But they wouldn't cover up the real reasons behind 9/11?

Your a joke.

lol true. They did a pretty poor job of covering that up. Surprising if they could cover up ufos 100 times better.

[edit on 17-11-2008 by T0by]

Originally posted by DCPatriot

Also, the audio of the gentleman who suggest information was intentionally withheld from President Jimmy Carter is SOOOO out of synch as to be ridiculous.

This is BS, IMHO.

I don't know anything about this former Chief Master Sergeant Salter, honestly the so called alien contact intelligence organization (ACIO) sounds ridiculous, but the attorney Daniel Sheehan's credentials are impeccable. Google his biography and background.

He's the primary source for the story that President Carter was denied access to UFO information by the CIA director. The narration in this video was terrible. For some reason they didn't trust Carter ? He made it a campaign pledge to disclose the government's UFO knowledge ! Of course they weren't briefing him !

I encourage you to watch Sheehan's full disclosure testimony. The video in this thread only presents a small snippet. There is more to the story. Bush told Carter he didn't have blanket authority for access to all the UFO files, but he did tell him how to go about asking for it through the Congressional Research Office. And that's how Sheehan and Marcia Smith became involved.

Originally posted by DangerDeath
Facing secret knowledge is like facing vacuum. It draws you out of your skin.

You try to fill this vacuum with your imagination, and that's all you get - fantasy...

The real consequence is that you are rendered passive, or reactive - you react to ignorance, you are powered by ignorance.

Let's try to be creative.

What is the effect of those who keep secrets (sometimes in our names)?
Animosity. Division. Opposition.

Though i do not agree with your conclusion entirely , i commend the way you laid out your perspective of the inherent pitfalls in a "quest for truth".
Whilst in the midst of questioning other peoples motives , we have to stop and question our own from time to time.

It came out recently, that back in the 1950s or 1960s, the govt released highly radioactive gas into the air in Washington state and Oregon to test how wind currents impact fallout. It was called Green River or something. There are undoubtedly people who got cancer from such experiments.

There were other experiments where they injected unwitting healthy human beings with plutonium and other highly toxic substances. Sounds like something straight out of a Nazi death camp, but it was the American government.

I don't think Bush's quote was directly referring to a UFO cover up. He's far too smart to say that in public. My guess is he's talking about usual government malfeasance, selling us out to the NWO etc...




[edit on 17-11-2008 by Schaden]

Think of Compartmented as the way they keep submarines from sinking from a leak. If one compartment is compromised, the rest is intact. If you are read on to a compartment, the government goes to lengths to make sure you're not read on to a second compartment of the same project.

Top Secret has a few levels.

TS/SCI (Sensitive Compartmented Information)
TS/SI-TK (Sensitive Information Tango Kilo (Satellite Imagery))
TS/SI (Sensitive Information)
TS (Run of the mill Top Secret clearance)

The levels require different types of investigation.

TS/EBI (Extended Background Investigation - 20 year pre-birth)
TS/SBI (Special Background Investigation)
TS/BI (Background Investigation)

A couple of add-on qualifiers:
COSMIC simply means NATO information.
NOFORN means No Foreign disclosure
EYES ONLY means only one person can read the material

Most agencies recognize a common classification dictionary. There are some temp agencies with no names that are outside the normal classification scope.

[edit on 18-11-2008 by Dbriefed]

Originally posted by Kenan
I got a crater on Mars to sell you.

How much?

Well... In my opinion the following things are true, and I stress, this is Opinion:
The OP has posted old hat info, although this is good for those new to the field.
Salter seems genuine, but perhaps is mistaken in his idea of compartmentalized intelligence.
The thing that really bothers me (and Friedman) about Salter is he switches back and forth
between "Cosmic" and "Cosmos". If you're gonna be a whistleblower, get it straight, and stick to your story.
Perhaps that was what he was led to believe by those "in the know".
The Australian video was extremely cheesy, but hey, there are plenty of examples of that in this field.
I personally have seen 2 UFO's in my lifetime. Were they extra-terrestrial? I can't say.
All I can say is they were strange lights that made impossible (by our known physics) maneouvers.
Could it have been military? Sure... no doubt.
Could it have been extra-terrestrial craft? Absolutely. Who knows?
Whatever I saw fits the definition of "Unidentified Flying Objects". Point of origin: Unknown.
I personally believe that life is the rule, not the exception in the Multiverse.
But, this is just a personal belief, a faith, if you will...
I try very hard to be a believing sceptic. In other words, I believe SOME sightings are genuine...
Most are hoaxed, or misunderstood, perhaps even the things I saw were natural phenomena. Who knows?
I do believe that we have been and are being visited by extra-terrestrial life forms.
However, I also believe that a very SMALL percentage of sightings can be attributed to this explanation.
IMHO, the Disclosure Project was brilliant.
Over 400 witnesses willing to testify before Congress that what they experienced cannot be easily explained.
Where did this get us? Nowhere.
It's a hot-potato for politicians, as the military doesn't really want the truth out (whatever that may be).
Congressianal inquiries always end up with the same conclusion: Unknown.
The Disclosure Project did one good thing: It raised questions, and questions are good.
There has been an intimidation campaign by top levels of government trying to squash information.
That alone raises many questions, but are they extra-terrestrial, or military black ops?
I am of the opinion that if these things were ET and hostile, we would no longer exist.
That gives me hope.
If they are military, of course they are going to disinfo things to an ET level, to avoid scrutiny.
The truth is: we have no clue what these things are, and it is going to remain that way until
the military is ready to let us know (think Stealth Fighter and Bomber).
I wish us all luck, and am ready to know the truth...
Until then, it is all merely speculation.
If you want to get to the truth: "Follow the Money"

I've red about ACIO about year ago on Wingmakers site [google it]. I thought that most of it was a myth..but since there is a lot of new info and this video shows that it may be true, I consider to think about that as a true.




[edit on 18-11-2008 by DigitalHero]

[edit on 18-11-2008 by EarthCitizen07]

Originally posted by DangerDeath
Secret knowledge - is an oxymoron. And worse...

What does it mean? You have some knowledge, but you want to keep it secret. This forces you to act in denial of your knowledge.

Denial of knowledge is ignorance.

Now, how does it work?

This "secret knowledge" affects us (others) even though we don't know what it is. It is so because those who possess secret knowledge turn everybody else (those who don't have their secret knowledge) into enemies, into those from whom they guard their "secret" knowledge.

Facing secret knowledge is like facing vacuum. It draws you out of your skin.

You try to fill this vacuum with your imagination, and that's all you get - fantasy...

The real consequence is that you are rendered passive, or reactive - you react to ignorance, you are powered by ignorance.

Let's try to be creative.

What is the effect of those who keep secrets (sometimes in our names)?
Animosity. Division. Opposition.


What are the possibilities?

1 - There are aliens who are exactly the same as our governments - secretive, inimical, institutionalized, power-mongering, hypocritical, etc...

Perhaps it is better for all of us to stay away from them...

2 - There are aliens who only communicate with individuals (those who are not delegated to speak in other people's names).

There would be no need to prove such contacts, since they are exclusively personal. Nor would that be possible. (Anarchist aliens ).

3 - There are no aliens. The very idea of aliens turned into "secret knowledge" generates enough black energy to make certain things inherent to the establishment run - secrecy, illegal activities and practices, claiming that certain information are confidential.

Let's be practical, the third option seems to me the most operational.

It can be used by the ptb any time and in any occasion when their responsibility for what they do is demanded. They always hide behind secrecy (denial of knowledge).

Someone is trying to sell us this idea of 38 levels above top secret because it is a perfect way to claim IGNORANCE where ignorance should be a disqualifying criteria for anyone in office!!!

Think about it. This is the tangible evidence we have.

Knowledge like Truth is always there, it may however be hidden or out of view in the same way clouds block out the Sun but don't make it disappear.

One merely has to have the willing mindful intent and knowledge will make itself present. How you experience and act on that knowledge is completely up to oneself. Though only two outcomes are only ever possible;
Embrace and accept it or deny and reject it.