I wonder what would be the point in lying upon the 38 levels thing... what would they gain doing that? Just a thought.

Originally posted by NavalFC
This is BS. There is no "level" above top secret, but then you get into top secret/ compartmentalized information. here in a project each portion is compartmentalzied and no one in any compartment knows anything about the others


The format for this is Top Secret/ classification name

IE: the Top Secret/MAJIC that some throw around.

Agreed this is how it works but I can see how people get confused. I would guess that those in charge muck around with classifications to compound the confusion. Aside from everything else something big is being covered up though, its simply a question of "Why".

Insert favorite speculation here - -

Secret knowledge - is an oxymoron. And worse...

What does it mean? You have some knowledge, but you want to keep it secret. This forces you to act in denial of your knowledge.

Denial of knowledge is ignorance.

Now, how does it work?

This "secret knowledge" affects us (others) even though we don't know what it is. It is so because those who possess secret knowledge turn everybody else (those who don't have their secret knowledge) into enemies, into those from whom they guard their "secret" knowledge.

Facing secret knowledge is like facing vacuum. It draws you out of your skin.

You try to fill this vacuum with your imagination, and that's all you get - fantasy...

The real consequence is that you are rendered passive, or reactive - you react to ignorance, you are powered by ignorance.

Let's try to be creative.

What is the effect of those who keep secrets (sometimes in our names)?
Animosity. Division. Opposition.


What are the possibilities?

1 - There are aliens who are exactly the same as our governments - secretive, inimical, institutionalized, power-mongering, hypocritical, etc...

Perhaps it is better for all of us to stay away from them...

2 - There are aliens who only communicate with individuals (those who are not delegated to speak in other people's names).

There would be no need to prove such contacts, since they are exclusively personal. Nor would that be possible. (Anarchist aliens ).

3 - There are no aliens. The very idea of aliens turned into "secret knowledge" generates enough black energy to make certain things inherent to the establishment run - secrecy, illegal activities and practices, claiming that certain information are confidential.

Let's be practical, the third option seems to me the most operational.

It can be used by the ptb any time and in any occasion when their responsibility for what they do is demanded. They always hide behind secrecy (denial of knowledge).

Someone is trying to sell us this idea of 38 levels above top secret because it is a perfect way to claim IGNORANCE where ignorance should be a disqualifying criteria for anyone in office!!!

Think about it. This is the tangible evidence we have.

38 levels above top secret? Aliens, UFOs, Particulisation?
Anyone who believes that, I got a crater on Mars to sell you.


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I too have to give you a star and flag for this post OP. Haven't seen this before and found it compelling. Although I would posit that George W Bush Snr; of any president; would have had a COSMIC clearance given his background. I have always felt that he was "positioned" as President to oversee an important transition and the first Gulf War was a diversion to deflect the eyes of the world away from other events.

If you separate who knows what it is easier for the government to intimidate people who are “in the know”. If someone leaks information it makes it easier for the government to trace that information directly back to them. I honestly believe this is why only relatively small amounts of people are in on this particular conspiracy, and know everything there is to know.

Originally posted by RFBurns
They eventually have to disclose everything, because if they dont, all of it will disclose itself sooner or later, and if that happens, what kind of excuse will they have for themselves in keeping it all secret eh?!!!


Cheers!!!!

Originally posted by RFBurns
Looks to me like just another video angle of a plane hitting the WTC south tower.

BTW, what is the purpose of re-hashing this tragic event over and over again for?

Can we just let those lost lives rest in peace and move forward with more current and more important problems????

If your that board, I got 10 acres of field that need plowing. The shovels and rakes are in the toolshead.

Cheers!!!!

...so you believe that the us govt is covering up UFO's? You believe that they are capable of covering up the existence of intelligent alien life in space.. But they wouldn't cover up the real reasons behind 9/11?

Your a joke.

....trying to stop laughing........bear with me........


OMFG. No level above Top Secret? No need to ask who you're working for!

I assure you, Top Secret belongs to virtually every gov't worker, secondee, whatever. TS is nothing.

As for "proving" someone to be a fraud, what do you think that proves to us? It proves there was something someone wanted hidden. The "proof of misconduct" or anything else any Western government chooses to pursue to shut someone up deserves a helluvalotta consideration by the general public.

Think about what they have to lose. We might just lynch them if we found out.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
All levels of classification, and all classification of material is done by the Executive branch. The President is the head of the Executive branch and it's the President who signs executive orders. Even if you take the MJ-12 documents at face value, the MJ12 group was commissioned by President Truman and answered only to the President.

Perhaps someone can explain to me how a member of the executive branch can tell a sitting President that he does not have clearance to see certain classified information. The President always has clearance, as any level of classification ultimately stems from an executive order signed by a President. Moreover, the President always has a need to know, because he's the head of the executive branch and must be fully informed to do his job and make decisions. It is logically impossible for there to be a level of classification above the President. Even if some president at some point actually signed an executive order saying certain information IS above his own knowledge, that executive order could always be cancelled by that president or a new president signing a new, revised executive order.

"38 Levels above Top Secret" so high the president can't know about it is simply ridiculous on its face. I'm as skeptical of government as the next guy, and I'm open-minded when it comes to government knowledge of UFOs. But the notion that George HW Bush, as CIA director, would tell President Carter "sorry you can't see that classified information, Mr. President" is simply beyond belief. The CIA director serves at the pleasure of the president, and Carter would have fired Daddy Bush instantly were he to be nutty enough to say something so baseless to the sitting president. The President ALWAYS has clearance, and ALWAYS has a need to know.

Well... I'd like to have just quoted "The President always has Clearence"
It seems to me that your one of those people that believe that our system is just, and that everything is in order.
I'm a Nazi, I don't believe in democracy, I believe in nationalism, Monarchy or dictator, whichever you want. I'm a racist ass, but have friends who are black. I also believe that democracy could work, but only with the right people, until then... it'll never work. Why? too many people passing the buck. Anyway... Prime Minister, Queen, King or President never will know everything. Just as President Eisenhower had said about cooperations, groups of individuals gaining alot of power... and even authority cannot deal with. It's hard to believe at times that the United States government sold itself to the Mafia to have there help in Italy with the Nazis of WW2, but... the truth is always changed. However, I'll never believe that the President or whoever is in power legitmately will know everything going thats going on. Now, I'd believe anything happening in Russia, would most definitely pass through Putin's hands or else your dead. Its the same with China's long running communist President of a chinese democracy. However, in our political systems thats viewed as just, and politicaly truthful and honest... *cough* *cough* you know they are always lying through there teeth... taken big fat "gift" payments and stuff, with nice new cars and houses at the taxpayers expense. Sorry, the last "just" governments we had died long ago, now that they have established themselves, and lost power to cooperations when everything changed from state controlled to privatisation. Until "we" the people decide we've had enough, and rise up as our forefathers had done many times from many nations when they were being strangled, we'll never know the truth about anything.

LOL you guys toss around 'star and flag" waaaay too quickly all i see here is a buncha here-say. So are we inclined to believe that anyone put in front of an interviewer with a rolling camera has integrity and is being truthful?! wow incredulously i laugh at the naivete of people 'in general'

P.T. Barnum once said "There's a sucker born every minute"


lol he wasnt far from the truth was he?

why dont we focus on things to make the world a better place rather than chase phantoms.....make a real difference and get off your asses and do 'something' christ now that's the REAL mystery!

I don't know about this "38" levels thing but COSMIC clearance is a NATO clearance level and represents the highest and most sensitive. There are 5 other levels from that point before it goes back to the individual country.

As a prior service member dealing in communications, TS and ATS clearance are easily obtained. After that I do not know what or how the higher ranks keep info classified among themselves, but certainly there are levels in place even if they are not disclosed.

It's funny to watch all of these people who were trusted with the highest secrets in the military finally come out on video and see a bunch of arm-chair patriots claim they are bunk.

Wake up people, quit being petty and put pressure on whomever you can to disclose the truth.

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I spent 12 years in the intelligence community, and I can safely say that compartmentalization of information is the method used to protect sources and methods of information gathering and control. It's not really based on a malignant desire to 'keep' secrets from one another, it's a tool used to manage information and ensure that it's consumers can immediately assess the value it has in context with the information content.

Compartmentalization should not be confused with 'higher' and 'lower' levels. It's just more of a 'flavor' of information. Code words are used to control the channels in which certain information types flow. It also prevents any single organization or entity from monopolizing the information in an environment where everyone is competing for funds and resources.

I don't know about you guys, but it seems to me that if there are disinformation agents tasked with keeping the 'truth' fluid, they would also be highly cleared. You cannot effectively conceal or distort information unless you know exactly what it is your supposed to be 'protecting.' I am disinclined to consider Dr. Freidman a disinfo agent, unless someone can point to a situation where he withheld or lied about information.

EDIT TO ADD: I wouldn't say that clearances are 'easy' to obtain. They are costly to verify and require a lot of groundwork to secure. But other than that, I'm sure there are folks out there who get 'rubber stamped' into higher clearances, although 'access' is another matter entirely.

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