Changing Of The Guard 'Constitutional crisis' looming over Obama's birth location Alan Keyes laws, page 6

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by MAINTAL
Yeah well a lot of us in Chicago know what Barry Obama is and without going into detail Barry is nothing but a cog in the Chicago Daley Political Machine

Oh, heavens, why would you go into detail when you can just make a broad, baseless, damning comment like that and do the job, knowing that the gullible people will take you for your ominous words?

aint one of us lives in Chicago knows he is well connected and disrespected because of it.

His approval rating in Illinois is like 73%. Yeah, they hate him, all right.

Obama has used spurious means to advance his political carreer so much it




makes Nixon look like a Choir boy

If that's true, why aren't people going after that to sully his name instead of this manufactured birth certificate jazz?

Illinois IS one of the most politically corrupt cities around. Which speaks volumes about who Obama is and what his political "machine" is all about.

Come on BH, you know this is true. Why do you like this guy so much?

I believe Keyes has a valid claim. What is the big deal about producing
your certificate of birth? Logic dictates, if there was NO problem in the validity of Obama's birth place then this would be a non-issue. Why won't
he just turn it over and be done with this mess? WHAT is he hiding?


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[edit on 16-11-2008 by paxnatus]

reply to post by SourGrapes

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I suppose that is plausible also, but I'm more inclined to think that THIS IS the issue. I mean, what good does it do to distract people with this hiding something else to get into office when after in office it would still become an issue anyhow? The information he would be hiding would have to be pretty damning to use something this serious to hide it and if that were the case, someone would just bring it to attention after he was in an he'd be impeached.

reply to post by Jay-in-AR

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True, but it's much harder to Impeach someone 'after-the-fact'. The point is to get the seat, then worry about all else later.

Another one to ponder:

Can it be factually stated that he lived in the U.S. for 14 consecutive years, prior to running for Presidential office? Isn't there rumor that he may have lived in Pakistan for like 10 years? (Before you flame - It's quite obvious that this wouldn't make it in a reasonable argument, and would remain rumor unless resourced.)

reply to post by grover

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As I posted in another thread, McCain's status isn't even a question. He was born on a military installation. A military installation, just like an embassy, is considered under law sovereign US soil.

No, not in a foreign land. On SOVEREIGN US SOIL.

reply to post by grover

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While searching online, for electoral college and presidential election questions, I did find this question from before:

President Elect FAQs

[snip]
Q If John McCain was born in Panama because his father was in the military, please point out to me in the Constitution where that qualifies him as a natural born citizen.

A. You're asking the wrong question! Try to find in the Constitution the definition of natural born citizen! It's not there, which means Congress decides what that means. John McCain was born on the Coco Solo Naval Air Station in the U.S. controlled Panama Canal Zone in 1936. Military bases and embassies have long been considered U.S. soil and children born on them (to American parents) are automatically considered U.S. citizens. As for the Canal Zone, a law was passed in 1953 that declared:

"Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States." (U.S. Code Title 8, Section 1403)

That doesn't mean it's settled though. Technically the issue has never been decided for determining presidential eligibility. But most think the rules that apply for every other aspect of citizenship apply to this requirement as well. In fact on April 30, 2008, the Senate unanimously passed a resolution stating that McCain was "a 'natural born Citizen' under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States". But don't be surprised if some political group still tries to challenge it!

This issue has actually come up several times before but wasn't decided satisfactorily due to the candidates in question losing. For example, in 1964, Barry Goldwater was the Republican candidate for President. Although he was born in Arizona, it was not yet a state at the time.

[/snip]

That website offers questions to quite a few questions that I've seen come up in this thread. They are actually quite easy to follow and put most answers into layman's terms, which is good for me!

reply to post by SourGrapes

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That is one of those cases where Joe Biden would take over until which time he has lived in the US long enough to become eligible. The only case in which that wouldn't happen is the one that is in question.

I still believe that the worst possible scenario for Obama is that it is found out he was born outside of the United States and is therefore, for some reason, declared not a natural born, but naturalized citizen and his candidacy is voided, forcing a special election between Clinton and McCain.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

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Now don't get me wrong here, I'm not siding with the right on this issue. I'm in the middle until this is resolved, but I think it is because there were concerns that his family was saying he was born in Kenya. So, they asked for proof of natural citizenship and that is still forthcoming.

I understand the question just fine. Like I said, considering McCain was born on Sovereign US soil, it isn't an issue. And when it WAS made an issue, McCain willingly gave up his information and had a team of lawyers ready to make sure that the McCain campaign was compliant with all laws. Obama has failed to provide the documents asked for, for reasons I don't quite understand.
But I'm moving a little more toward the idea that this is a calculated political move on Obama's part.

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