The sad reality is the hard right simply refuses to give in... its trying to discredit the man anyway they can... if this bullhooey isn't nipped in the bud soon it will become his Whitewater.

Originally posted by grover
The sad reality is the hard right simply refuses to give in... its trying to discredit the man anyway they can... if this bullhooey isn't nipped in the bud soon it will become his Whitewater.

This has nothing to do with hard right or hard left it has everything to do with the law.

All Obama has to do is produce the vault certificate - this is not difficult, and will cause this all to go away.

You are the one showing your bias by not acknowledging this is reasonable request. In fact this post suggests you are scared he has lied to you, and you do not want to deal with that possibility. A reasonable non partisan response is simple - yes he should produce the vault certificate since he is required to prove he is a natural citizen.

Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
Here is the determination Zindo referred to:

Amendment 20 (1933)


Section 3. ...... If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.


What is unclear to me is what is meant by "act as President until a President shall have qualified"??????

Lord forbid!! Does that mean we would get Pelosi? I can see it now;
the terrorist wouldn't waste their time with us, they'd be too busy laughing!!!













[edit on 16-11-2008 by paxnatus]

My fingers are crossed -

...that this man had the intelligence and the integrity to not be a party
to misinformation / omission of this magnitude.

We could not allow him to take office if he wasn't originally mindful enough to realize what kind of effect this would have on the country and the world -

This would be the ultimate in terrible beginnings.

Originally posted by grover
The sad reality is the hard right simply refuses to give in... its trying to discredit the man anyway they can... if this bullhooey isn't nipped in the bud soon it will become his Whitewater.

I had thought this to be so much nonsense, but as time goes on I've got to wonder; why won't he simply provide the Birth Certificate and end this? What possible reason could he have for not providing it other than there is a problem of some sort? I'm starting to think there is something to this other than Partisan mudslinging.

In the same position, I would flood the media with copies and invite them to view it and confirm it. I'm afraid if he does not do this soon, the number of people thinking something is wrong will grow quickly.

Could it be that he discovered a problem only when this issue came up and he does not know how to deal with it? There has got to be reason he is still not showing his full Birth Certificate.

On the other side of this coin is the fact that the RNC has not made an issue of this. That says the opposite to me. It says that this is a red herring or they would be all over it. This is indeed becoming a mystery.

If this was the plan to keep Bush in power all along I am incredibly impressed.

Its the most brilliant and evil plan in political history. Its like a bad story line from a comic book.

Hawaii has said there is a BC but hasnt said whats on it? Correct? I'm sorry this is just to huge of a problem to just go away. Obama has to respond to this. If he doesn't I have to think he is hiding something. Don't forget he is supposed to work for us.

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
Wouldn't there need to be a run off? Like how some states require their senatorial candidate to gain at least 50% of the vote or face having a post election run off?

I mean, both McCain AND Biden could make an equally baseless claim to the position. Neither of them were elected. I don't know though, I don't think this has ever happened, has it?

Technically, the President and VP haven't yet been officially selected.

The President and VP will be elected by the Electoral college in December (I believe it's the 15th - I'll see if I can find the official date for this year). Believe it or not, the President and VP are actually on separate voting tickets, when given to the Electorates. The Electorates will elect a President and a Vice President, separately. So, it's actually quite possible that Obama may not win and is actually possible for the VP to be elected and not the President; which will then be passed onto the House of Reps to decide (I believe, I'll have to do some online searching for confirmation and resources).

We voted for the Electorates, of our states, to represent us in this term's Presidential election. We didn't actually vote for the President. While most Electors will vote with their state's popular vote, they aren't legally required to do so. While, unpopular (no pun), they can still, and have, voted against their respective state's citizen vote.

Didn't the OP's article say something about a couple of California's electorates siding with Keyes and are and are actually requesting the official documents be provided before they cast their vote?

This could actually be one of the reasons we are hearing, and seeing, so much come out at this time. If this causes enough ruckus and attention, then it could potentially have an effect on the actual vote in December.

Originally posted by MAINTAL
Yeah well a lot of us in Chicago know what Barry Obama is and without going into detail Barry is nothing but a cog in the Chicago Daley Political Machine

Oh, heavens, why would you go into detail when you can just make a broad, baseless, damning comment like that and do the job, knowing that the gullible people will take you for your ominous words?

aint one of us lives in Chicago knows he is well connected and disrespected because of it.

His approval rating in Illinois is like 73%. Yeah, they hate him, all right.

Obama has used spurious means to advance his political carreer so much it makes Nixon look like a Choir boy

If that's true, why aren't people going after that to sully his name instead of this manufactured birth certificate jazz?

Originally posted by Blaine91555
Thats entirely possible. I'm wondering if maybe he did not know himself until this issue came up during the campaign. He could have gone his whole life and not known easily. This may be the first time he has needed more than the partial document.

I've actually thought about this, and wondered if he does have a natural-born birth certificate and perhaps they (his people) are playing 'hard-to-get' for a strategical point.

Like, perhaps if he makes it seem like his birth certificate is questionable (by vaulting, not handing over, etc), this could keep the mainstream busy enough to not have them looking too close into other areas of his background.

For instance, if he does have some questionable background events, then he could keep everyone busy on his birth certificate, so they won't look too far into the other areas of his life. The 'lawyer' in him could be strategically delaying this discovery, at least until after Dec 15th. After that date, he'll be pretty much 'home free'. At least in the sense of actually being elected into office by the electors.

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
Edit to add - Still yet, could you imagine the backlash if the electorate didn't side with the popular vote. That actually brings another thought to mind. He could be deliberately ignoring this issue knowing that if the electorate DIDN'T side with him, they'd have pandamonium in the streets. HAHA, if THAT is the case, he pulled the race card after all.
[edit on 16-11-2008 by Jay-in-AR]

Very interesting! Actually, it goes along with some of my comments on the previous post (after the post you cited). Edit: The post just above this one.

He's too smart to not have a back up plan, or to not have a plan B and actually played this out over and over in his own benefit.

[edit on 16-11-2008 by SourGrapes]