Originally posted by game over man
This is very interesting, but why are you the first to think of it? But, science is in incapable of knowing there is an advanced race deep below us?
Also what would explain the 1000's of reports from pilots, military, ect. Ect. Of craft flying at tremendous speeds and 90 degree turns?
I'm actually far from the first person to research this or have the idea... it's ripe in science fiction in various forms and if you do a google
search you will find a plethora of information in regards to the topic
What I am saying is that there is an enormous, amount of disinformation present and that doesn't make my hypothesis definitively spot on, but I am
saying most of mainstream theory is bogus and disinfo.
As far as craft those would be craft, nice craft, capable of fast turns
But you really have to read through the thread because I have talked about it more than once.
High speeds and 90 degree turns... do NOT an Interstellar craft make. It makes a vehicle that can maneuver well in the atmosphere and maybe above the
atmosphere and even underwater.
But that's not travel between the stars, in fact it's only... maybe 40 years ahead of current technology, maybe 10? hard to say exactly...
But i'd compare it as a Galleon compared to a canoe... ahead of it's time, but unlike the Native thought definitely NOT from any kind of g-ds or
Type 3 or 4 civilization Aliens
Also, the first UFO case before Roswell, happened in WA, and later the military came in, took something from the crash site, and later their plane
crashed in Kelso OR(you can look it up on your own). Also the Betty and Barney Hill case of drwaing the Zeti Reticulli star map?
Theres also the case UFO Hunters did an episode on called "The Military vs. UFO's" and in the episode they studied a UK case named "Britain's
What about Edgar Allan Mitchel's claims and the Disclosure Project? Your theory suggests that MUFON and the Disclosure Project are hoaxes.
Also, did it ever occur to you that the Greys might be insect in nature like you're saying but they are from space and not earth.
And finally my friend, you have ruled out that interstellar travel is impossible. So that means you've travelled the Universe? And sorry one more,
but what about the claims of reverse technology? There are too many claims of aliens from space, and none of an advanced insect race on Earth.
Like I said maybe the Greys are insect in nature, or that is the closet thing that we can compare them too.
I'd start with the incident in WA
Though popular among conspiracy theorists, Dahl's claim that a UFO spewed debris onto his boat is likely to remain folklore.
"I didn't know anything about it until 2003 when a man from Sacramento sent me about 50 pages of research about it," said Dahl's 76-year-old
daughter, Louise Bakotich of Aberdeen. Though Arnold insisted his sighting was real, Dahl rarely spoke of his sighting after 1947, and often said it
was a hoax when he did. Charles Dahl, who was supposedly injured by the falling debris, didn't confirm the injuries before his death, his sister
I can't even believe your bringing up Betty and Barney Hill and the Zeti Reticulli stuff which has spawned more fakers and more outrageous bs stories
than just about any fake abduction report I can think of...
I'd also absolutely claim that... Mufon and Disclosure projects are both disinfo... but that's more time than I have to get into and a massive
deviation for another thread...
As for Mitchel I have addressed him in this thread, I seriously believe some of what he says... and I'm going to repost what I wrote and addressed
mitchell on p3 since it's a long thread and all, In Bold is Mitchell
lets Quote the man
UFOs have been the "subject of disinformation in order to deflect attention and to create confusion so the truth doesn't come out
My translation... the matter IS subject to disinformation... or... Most mainstream theory is pure BS because, there is Dis information being given
He offered his opinion that the evidence for such "alien" contact was "very strong" and "classified" by governments, who were covering up
visitations and the existence of alien beings' bodies in places such as Roswell, New Mexico.
My translation, something was contacted, they have bodies, Roswell actually happened
A squid is "alien" doesn't mean it's not from earth and Here's MY POINT, They DIE, that's for starters, the little sobs can die... they can
crash, they can be shot down
With that said... How does, the species that mastered space and time to cross the stars and controls physics... run a craft that ww2 technology
How can that be? How did... the anti gravitic engine, can you imagine the super computer needed to... cross the stars, it Malfunctions? With that tech
on board, they are captured and not retrieved?????
MITCHELLS MY HERO
He says it, they DIE, They Crash, They are no better than us and not much more sophisticated either...
ergo, they didn't cross the damn stars, they are fakirs just like the conquistadors... they are not Higher beings, they don't control physics, they
aren't commanding a craft that opens star gates... they are flying a ship that CRASHES
He has said, that "We all know that UFOs are real, now the question is, where they come from".
And there it is...Alien, but we don't know where the hell they come from, not a clue... So why... assume space... what kind of craft Crashes after
crossing the Galaxy?
Many different times apparently... if you believe the Russians and Chinese have bagged some of them too as it is rumored...
Mitchell... doesn't have an answer other than what he has been given in regards to the definitives. That much is absolutely clear
As Far as other sightings, they have one thing in common... they begin after the A-bomb tests and use of the A-bomb.
Alerting another race locally to our activities is simply, much more logical than alerting a race across the stars, we could fly to London at the time
too, no interstellar Travel in the English incident or WA, nor does the crust of the Earth or any civilization have limitations of where other
locations may be, huge thread on Hitlers interest in the Mtn Untersberg Available right now on ATS.
Hitler wasn't looking for Aliens in space... he was looking in the Ground Too! Hitler was sending his men to the Himalayas, the Poles...
But he wasn't building telescopes looking to make contact with anything
ALL STORIES related over time, become a big game of telephone and are subject to DISINFO
Only with what I can be sure or relatively sure has at least some evidence as having happened
A: Ufos start appearing after use/Testing of the A-bomb
B: Hitler was looking for whatever he was looking for in subterranean locations
C: Admiral Byrd had some sort of Event at the South Pole
D: Base where there is alleged "contact" are underground not in space and we have very, little investment in space if we thought there was a space
E: Tectonic activity and UFO's go hand in hand
F: Comings and goings of large numbers of craft from those bases is not apparent, if the root cause was extra solar there would be Traffic and even
Area 51 which is watched regularly as best people can, shows little indication of non military or, above atmospheric testing or flights going on
G: Realistically, even if you account for variations in abductee stories, why would one think the Aliens decide to "give it all up" to those
individuals, I am HIGHLY dubious of anyone who claims an abduction and comes back with a
"History of the Galaxy" and even if they do who says it's correct
very tempting and not unlike history when some have encountered indigenous people... to simply go along with and perpetrate as long as one can the
theory of being a g-d... it's nice to be a super being for a time, gives you quite an upper hand...
But actual evidence of... technology that can fold space or energy readings that would indicate anything in this system has bounced in or out above
the speed of light
The Crafty are small... people are creating Deity like abilities of, things that appear not very different than us.
I look for what CAN be and if they were as advanced as the Star trekker would like to make them we wouldn't be, knocking them down, stealing tech,
confronting them for long with our military would we?
If something is coming across the void it's not something we would MISS here on Earth okay? If they are that advanced, that far ahead, that a single
Alien can be trusted with Hyperspace and it fits (given energies beyond a star) contained in something that small, these would be beings so, so far
ahead of us that, why would they have an interest?
Hyperspace, faster than light? Not saying CAN'T just saying we are Amoebas to those who can and not of much interest. If you can bend space, Earth
surely isn't much of a token prize or of that much interest out of a Trillion star systems.
[edit on 18-11-2008 by mopusvindictus]