Grey Aliens, Insects and Disinformation

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posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 08:24 AM
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firstly great post and it makes a lot of sense, i really never thought of the greys in this way - it has certainly made me think again - im curious though, what is your opinion regarding cases that describe different sorts of beings for instance like this one.


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posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 09:42 AM
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My apologies, I had just come back to this thread from bothering an Icke thread and assumed this was a reaction.

No offense intended



posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 10:38 AM
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This is great stuff.

I always remember being chilled to the bone watching First Men In The Moon on TV (back in the 70's before the days of video and then DVD). There was just *something* about Ray Harryhausen's inner-moon insect creatures, The Selenites, that was beyond creepy.

I've always suspected there is something up with bugs.

S&F for you, good sir.



posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 10:58 AM
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Thanks for replying to my post!
I have given your theory more thought and the way you present it sounds very plausible indeed. Your theory possibly explains why the government is keeping ''UFO's" a tightly sealed secret. Heck, we would totally freak out if the government told us that there is an advanced insect species doing all sorts of mischief to humans. It would probably provoke an inter species war!

As for people being abducted, if they have seen an insect ''supervising'' the operation, who am i to question them?
We know so little about our planet its almost foolish to look up for something new....

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posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 11:13 AM
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To the OP - very interesting theory. It would seem to offer the answer to a great many questions. I'm interested in seeing how you and everyone else develop it. Here's a link that may amuse. www.time.com... alth/article/0,8599,1822936,00.html?loomia_si=t0:a16:g2:r2:c0.0191636:b18547305&xid=Loomia



posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 11:20 AM
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I agree, there are people that freak out when a ladybug lands on them so imagine giant four foot tall ones.

This is one of the most plausible theorys I have heard so far.



posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 12:37 PM
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Can you imagine a world without the Main types of Insects?

Ants/Wasps/Bees (Hymenoptera)

Flys/Mosquito's (Diptera)

Grasshoppers/Crickets (Orthoptera)

Butterflies/Moths (Lepidoptera)

Termites/Cockroaches/Mantis (Dictyoptera)

Beetles (Coleoptera)

Fleas (Siphonaptera)


Together the above insects, control plant growth tend fields, pollinate plants, cultivate soil, dispose of waste and rotting material, remove dead trees

Even control Animal populations via food supply, habitat and disease

They literally are the workers of mother nature.

A collective mind and a higher caste of social Insect, under ground pulling the strings... It could be true order on this planet.


Many New Agers believe in Gaia theory, what's the Intelligence behind Gaia? What else but the Insect operates by collective not Individual Intelligence?









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posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 12:53 PM
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I recall my one brother-in-law having said that when I was staying with them there was a large Praying Mantis in his house holding and smoking a bong. I also recall Jim Marrs and Budd Hopkins asking me about it at my own house.



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posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 01:15 PM
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also reminds me of starcraft. This is a videogame in which intelligent inscents, created and "evolved" by creator race made them, and then they got too powerful. They infest planets one by one to take over and assimilate. All too familiar.

HEre are the lessons from this game.

Do not fight amongst humans, just fight the inscects

Aliens will most likely help with this, but friendly contact is definately necesary. The game went amongst generals and rogue seargents etc.

Anyway, play the game and learn how to fight them! hahaha



posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 02:03 PM
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This is very interesting, but why are you the first to think of it? But, science is in incapable of knowing there is an advanced race deep below us? Also what would explain the 1000's of reports from pilots, military, ect. Ect. Of craft flying at tremendous speeds and 90 degree turns?

Also, the first UFO case before Roswell, happened in WA, and later the military came in, took something from the crash site, and later their plane crashed in Kelso OR(you can look it up on your own). Also the Betty and Barney Hill case of drwaing the Zeti Reticulli star map?

Theres also the case UFO Hunters did an episode on called "The Military vs. UFO's" and in the episode they studied a UK case named "Britain's Roswell".

What about Edgar Allan Mitchel's claims and the Disclosure Project? Your theory suggests that MUFON and the Disclosure Project are hoaxes.

Also, did it ever occur to you that the Greys might be insect in nature like you're saying but they are from space and not earth.

And finally my friend, you have ruled out that interstellar travel is impossible. So that means you've travelled the Universe? And sorry one more, but what about the claims of reverse technology? There are too many claims of aliens from space, and none of an advanced insect race on Earth.

Like I said maybe the Greys are insect in nature, or that is the closet thing that we can compare them too.



posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by mopusvindictus
I add a last point to this before you discuss.

Estrogen in chemicals used and Feminization has become a serious problem globally, creatures born female, a rise in homosexuality, transgender birth and desire, a massive reduction in male sperm count world wide, socially laws that benefit females and endanger males and restrict male behavior are common in the west these days

Social insects revolve around Female worker drones as a society

so if there is the influence of another species in these policies, which makes more sense? ... a dumbed down population of female or neutral gender Workers that contribute to the whole led by casts of drones, queen and warrior (Elite) leaders?

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see i liked your comparison of insects and greys, however, your lack of human physiology is apparent due to the fact that both males and females have estrogens (more than one type of steroids) enough that they play an essential role in the maturation of sperm. Also, you do know that while in the fetal state, humans are essentially female until the necessary organs develope months into the pregnancy, proof of this is the striking similarity between a penis and a clitoris. If you need more proof of that, look at the fact that we all have nipples. So assuming that massive levels of estrogen are "gaying" the population is just, well goofy.



posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 03:53 PM
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actually hormones would have a definite impact on physiology and mental state:

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posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 05:01 PM
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Very impressively researched and well put together thread!

Has anyone seen the movie "Bug" with Ashley Judd? It follows this line of thought with humans hosting Aphids. Check it out!

Something else of interest as far as "hive mind" I just watched a special on cockroaches and they were trying to find new ways to get rid of them. They were actually able to make a tiny "robotic" cockroach wrapped with the correct pheronomes and once accepted into the group the false roach was able to lead the real roaches away from the location and to a new location.



posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 07:43 PM
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What are these laws that restrict males and not females?



posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 11:14 PM
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This is...an interesting take on Greys. To be honest, I've never really imagined them as being insectoid mostly because they don't physically remind me of insects. I'm not sure what a human spliced with an insect would resemble. Probably something unpleasant.

Or perhaps Greys are really half-human/half-tarsiers?




I joke, I joke. But this is a very fresh way of looking at things. Congrats on opening my mind a bit more.



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posted on Nov, 17 2008 @ 11:57 PM
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yes, i'm aware hormones can really have an impact on the body, but you need high doses to really jack things up as the op suggests. Also, it's speculation that homosexuality has a biological cause, it's not science fact, neither can we say that estrogen is the cause of homosexuality in males.



posted on Nov, 18 2008 @ 03:52 AM
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Dang, you should seriously be helping me write this thread, even if all you do is bring that praying mantis over and hang out while I type.



posted on Nov, 18 2008 @ 04:56 AM
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Originally posted by game over man
This is very interesting, but why are you the first to think of it? But, science is in incapable of knowing there is an advanced race deep below us? Also what would explain the 1000's of reports from pilots, military, ect. Ect. Of craft flying at tremendous speeds and 90 degree turns?


I'm actually far from the first person to research this or have the idea... it's ripe in science fiction in various forms and if you do a google search you will find a plethora of information in regards to the topic

What I am saying is that there is an enormous, amount of disinformation present and that doesn't make my hypothesis definitively spot on, but I am saying most of mainstream theory is bogus and disinfo.


As far as craft those would be craft, nice craft, capable of fast turns

But you really have to read through the thread because I have talked about it more than once.

High speeds and 90 degree turns... do NOT an Interstellar craft make. It makes a vehicle that can maneuver well in the atmosphere and maybe above the atmosphere and even underwater.

But that's not travel between the stars, in fact it's only... maybe 40 years ahead of current technology, maybe 10? hard to say exactly...

But i'd compare it as a Galleon compared to a canoe... ahead of it's time, but unlike the Native thought definitely NOT from any kind of g-ds or Type 3 or 4 civilization Aliens



Also, the first UFO case before Roswell, happened in WA, and later the military came in, took something from the crash site, and later their plane crashed in Kelso OR(you can look it up on your own). Also the Betty and Barney Hill case of drwaing the Zeti Reticulli star map?

Theres also the case UFO Hunters did an episode on called "The Military vs. UFO's" and in the episode they studied a UK case named "Britain's Roswell".

What about Edgar Allan Mitchel's claims and the Disclosure Project? Your theory suggests that MUFON and the Disclosure Project are hoaxes.

Also, did it ever occur to you that the Greys might be insect in nature like you're saying but they are from space and not earth.

And finally my friend, you have ruled out that interstellar travel is impossible. So that means you've travelled the Universe? And sorry one more, but what about the claims of reverse technology? There are too many claims of aliens from space, and none of an advanced insect race on Earth.

Like I said maybe the Greys are insect in nature, or that is the closet thing that we can compare them too.




I'd start with the incident in WA


Though popular among conspiracy theorists, Dahl's claim that a UFO spewed debris onto his boat is likely to remain folklore.

"I didn't know anything about it until 2003 when a man from Sacramento sent me about 50 pages of research about it," said Dahl's 76-year-old daughter, Louise Bakotich of Aberdeen. Though Arnold insisted his sighting was real, Dahl rarely spoke of his sighting after 1947, and often said it was a hoax when he did. Charles Dahl, who was supposedly injured by the falling debris, didn't confirm the injuries before his death, his sister said.


I can't even believe your bringing up Betty and Barney Hill and the Zeti Reticulli stuff which has spawned more fakers and more outrageous bs stories than just about any fake abduction report I can think of...


I'd also absolutely claim that... Mufon and Disclosure projects are both disinfo... but that's more time than I have to get into and a massive deviation for another thread...

As for Mitchel I have addressed him in this thread, I seriously believe some of what he says... and I'm going to repost what I wrote and addressed mitchell on p3 since it's a long thread and all, In Bold is Mitchell



lets Quote the man

UFOs have been the "subject of disinformation in order to deflect attention and to create confusion so the truth doesn't come out

My translation... the matter IS subject to disinformation... or... Most mainstream theory is pure BS because, there is Dis information being given

He offered his opinion that the evidence for such "alien" contact was "very strong" and "classified" by governments, who were covering up visitations and the existence of alien beings' bodies in places such as Roswell, New Mexico.

My translation, something was contacted, they have bodies, Roswell actually happened

A squid is "alien" doesn't mean it's not from earth and Here's MY POINT, They DIE, that's for starters, the little sobs can die... they can crash, they can be shot down

With that said... How does, the species that mastered space and time to cross the stars and controls physics... run a craft that ww2 technology can...shoot down?

How can that be? How did... the anti gravitic engine, can you imagine the super computer needed to... cross the stars, it Malfunctions? With that tech on board, they are captured and not retrieved?????

MITCHELLS MY HERO

He says it, they DIE, They Crash, They are no better than us and not much more sophisticated either...

ergo, they didn't cross the damn stars, they are fakirs just like the conquistadors... they are not Higher beings, they don't control physics, they aren't commanding a craft that opens star gates... they are flying a ship that CRASHES

He has said, that "We all know that UFOs are real, now the question is, where they come from".

And there it is...Alien, but we don't know where the hell they come from, not a clue... So why... assume space... what kind of craft Crashes after crossing the Galaxy?

Many different times apparently... if you believe the Russians and Chinese have bagged some of them too as it is rumored...



Mitchell... doesn't have an answer other than what he has been given in regards to the definitives. That much is absolutely clear


As Far as other sightings, they have one thing in common... they begin after the A-bomb tests and use of the A-bomb.

Alerting another race locally to our activities is simply, much more logical than alerting a race across the stars, we could fly to London at the time too, no interstellar Travel in the English incident or WA, nor does the crust of the Earth or any civilization have limitations of where other locations may be, huge thread on Hitlers interest in the Mtn Untersberg Available right now on ATS.

Hitler wasn't looking for Aliens in space... he was looking in the Ground Too! Hitler was sending his men to the Himalayas, the Poles...

But he wasn't building telescopes looking to make contact with anything

ALL STORIES related over time, become a big game of telephone and are subject to DISINFO

I work

Only with what I can be sure or relatively sure has at least some evidence as having happened

A: Ufos start appearing after use/Testing of the A-bomb

B: Hitler was looking for whatever he was looking for in subterranean locations

C: Admiral Byrd had some sort of Event at the South Pole

D: Base where there is alleged "contact" are underground not in space and we have very, little investment in space if we thought there was a space threat

E: Tectonic activity and UFO's go hand in hand

F: Comings and goings of large numbers of craft from those bases is not apparent, if the root cause was extra solar there would be Traffic and even Area 51 which is watched regularly as best people can, shows little indication of non military or, above atmospheric testing or flights going on

G: Realistically, even if you account for variations in abductee stories, why would one think the Aliens decide to "give it all up" to those individuals, I am HIGHLY dubious of anyone who claims an abduction and comes back with a

"History of the Galaxy" and even if they do who says it's correct

very tempting and not unlike history when some have encountered indigenous people... to simply go along with and perpetrate as long as one can the theory of being a g-d... it's nice to be a super being for a time, gives you quite an upper hand...

But actual evidence of... technology that can fold space or energy readings that would indicate anything in this system has bounced in or out above the speed of light

NONE

The Crafty are small... people are creating Deity like abilities of, things that appear not very different than us.

I look for what CAN be and if they were as advanced as the Star trekker would like to make them we wouldn't be, knocking them down, stealing tech, confronting them for long with our military would we?

If something is coming across the void it's not something we would MISS here on Earth okay? If they are that advanced, that far ahead, that a single Alien can be trusted with Hyperspace and it fits (given energies beyond a star) contained in something that small, these would be beings so, so far ahead of us that, why would they have an interest?


Hyperspace, faster than light? Not saying CAN'T just saying we are Amoebas to those who can and not of much interest. If you can bend space, Earth surely isn't much of a token prize or of that much interest out of a Trillion star systems.















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posted on Nov, 18 2008 @ 05:09 AM
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Didn't use the term "gaying" did I LOL... hope not,


Generalizations can lead to debates over issues that are off topic in the longer scheme of the thread...

I am making Ethnographic observations of the current human condition in those comments.

Sperm counts are decreasing dramatically in Human Males world wide

There definitively is allot of Estrogen entering the water supply from a variety of sources among many other hormones and precursors. lower animals, particularly frogs show the effects

I really don't have to make a show of, doing more research and all of...alligators with shrunken penis, human sperm counts...we all read these articles or can use Google right?

Is it All Estrogen no... but to deviate the thread into a thread on something we are aware of is pointless regardless of the technical debatable details

There is a real something happening in this regard, and society is moving very socialist, Female empowered, male unfriendly, individual unfriendly and we can argue the details of it all day.. in other threads

But the simple point and many people get it, is our society, is becoming much more like a social Insects, cubicle filled structures packed with people working for the group.... If you looked from 2,500 feet above Manhattan, you might not be sure you weren't looking at some sort of Hive



posted on Nov, 18 2008 @ 05:23 AM
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It's one of the main points of this thread actually (as you mention the robot roaches)

That if there IS an Interspecies war being waged on this Planet right now

The one that is Definitely REAL

Is Man vs Insect

Who exactly to say, how and how fast our opponent could muster a defense or that, it's not us that are the Guerrillas fighting for independence from a dictatorship of the bugs all along? Not the masters of our own destiny we think we are.

They arrive

In a visible way, as soon as we can destroy the Earth

That's a hard coincidence to overlook

and of so many systems, I don't think we are of such value and central notice that our activities have provoked Galactic concern

In fact, it's so Egomaniacal to think so i find the Federation believers to be out of their minds with wishful thinking.

We sadly are an unimportant little ball of Bacteria floating in the void of a trillion, trillion worlds

If our activities are causing concern, when we can barely get a probe to Mars

The concern is by something that is directly affected by us...

Just Basic Sherlock Holmes and removal of delusions of Grandeur from my assumptions about our place in the cosmos


We are, regardless of the issues of the Grey's, at War for this Planet, always have been, with Bugs...

How the fields grow, spread of disease, sharing of space...

We BOMB every day, they attack and sting, Bubonic Plague, Malaria, West Nile they use Germ Warfare Every single day against us... they invade and eat our Homes, turn into Locusts destroy crops, ruin our Farms... We engineer Insects and Robots to invade them, use chemical weapons, poison the Planet and ourselves in an attempt to stop them...


When you realize we are, at War... does the possibility that war goes further than we know really seem that impossible?





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