Grey Aliens, Insects and Disinformation

reply to post by mopusvindictus


What I was really meaning is that in the US there is a lot of money that goes unaccounted for, as many have said NASA is just a front to what's really going on. Just because of shuttles blowing up and a few probes not working doesn't mean they have no real interest in space. I dunno if you have read much into space based weapons and an apparent shield being built around the planet, but to some it's a very big worry. If it's true that they are, what are they wanting to defend themselves against? asteroids? or a threat that they are not telling us all about?

I am not trying to say that it's not possible beings are living underground, or even greys living beneath us. If they are I don't think they are originally from earth. I know there are a lot of conspiracies out there, but I like to think there is some truth behind them all.


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reply to post by f1tch


Eh, we have a huge black budget alright.

But given the number of amateur astronomers and the 50 or so other at least somewhat Industrialized nations it would be pretty dang hard to hide space craft taking off in any large numbers.

It Could be, that antigravity has been discovered and the signature is somehow very small... and, we can cloak them from sight as well and, all those people have just shut up...

But we are talking about what 1 Million or 2 Million involved participants staying quiet?

And no foreign spooks getting to the bottom of that and blowing the whistle?

It would have to be a Global conspiracy, all politics and all war and all news, every Industrialized nation on Earth would practically have to be involved to truly hide it.

It Could be that...the whole thing, the whole NWO and Global trade and the rest is to Repel invaders... it's all a Lie

It's possible

This whole thing everyone in here trips on is...really for our own good and has a purpose and the "aliens" are really "alien"

But visible weapons systems don't indicate that

and

Who knows what's in the Black Budget of the USA

But if the black budget even matches our military budget judging by what we got visible and dollar for dollar...

I'd say we wouldn't have much a shot of winning even if that were the case...

Sure we'd be talking about more advanced tech

But still,

Alien vs Terrestrial or Even Life from this very system...

The govt can be crazy...

But if they were, a Race of beings capable of mastering the stars, would we stand a chance? Would they even bother and if so why?

Do you really think that mankind is capable of making the leap from...near savage to intergalactic competitor in... a few decades that, that kind of technology in a world of suicide bombers is possible, that we could survive it even if we could fathom how to control the kind of power really needed to do those sorts of things?

Whatever they are arming... it's not aimed at space man, it's for use here, against each other, against things on earth.

Show me one outward aimed and capable weapons system

I just got a little idea whilst browsing through reply. What if the great dinosaurs were the last harvest... It makes sence.

reply to post by mopusvindictus


With regards to the people working in the black projects staying quiet, a lot of current whistle blowers who have worked in government and military jobs stay quiet until they aren't subject to secrecy of what they have seen or worked on, and that's in things such as the navy. Who knows what the people working in the black projects are subject to if they talk, and then there are the certain people who just like to be in the know and not let anyone else know.

I'll not comment on a global conspiracy, It'd be mainly conjecture, could be a possibility though.

You're right about us obviously not being able to take on a race of beings able to transverse galaxies, but then governments are arrogant so they may still try.

I dunno if you read my first reply, but I'd like to hear you take on the possiblity of the greys coming to earth maybe not from across the galaxy but somewhere a lot closer but it still taking them quite a long time and then staying on earth for a certain length of time, same as the way proposed by NASA with mars. Sending a man there and him staying because of the length of the trip.

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reply to post by Elemensa


They must have been messy eaters, leaving the bones lying around everywhere

Very interesting thread.

Years back I met a "famous" abductee and was lucky enough to be able to sit and have a long chat with him.

"Where do you think they came from" i asked him.

"Well to be honest with you" he said, "I think they come from under the ground".

reply to post by Elemensa


You know, I have wondered about that too...

Carbon dating would have to be off (there are reasons to think it might)

That's a long time between meals if not...

I think seriously that if there was a social insect that lived off other species, had the ability to do as some wasps do, control higher species...

It probably got it's intelligence from us and that's what these Greys are.



Your probably thinking, "Why are they more advanced" and I would offer that, most of them would still be insects but the ruling class, the Queen and Drones and Specialists... would be Intelligent

But control a Hive, there would be innate benefits to that system over ours, in terms of production and drive, all orders, no rebellion, no war, no questioning from the body politic

As humans are abducted and... controlled, they would gain our knowledge and some would like us be able to build upon it , most would simply work


The real question also, would one Queen be able to pass all the knowledge she gained in life to her offspring given an insects reproduction I.e. perpetually clone herself through the process...

If the answer to that is Yes, then knowledge over thousands of years would surely surpass us despite having gained intelligence from us in the first place, because...we forget, our books burn...

All raw speculation, but still, Social Insects passing of genes is, different in many ways than ours...

How complex could a thinking queens ability to direct workers become in time?

reply to post by f1tch


Oh I would take that as possibility for sure

They could have gotten stuck here, I had responded to that...

and, you'd have to go back and look because i'm tired lol

But I'd maintain that Alien life would be Alien, very, very unlikely to be similar at all to us, the odds of that happening given trillions of diverse worlds is very good... but likewise the odds of it happening often or close to us and being are first real encounter are slim to a zillion

I can say possible

But, I personally, expect alien life when we meet something from space, zero buy in to a Galaxy where life evolves on just Earth like Planets or that even when it does it follows the same lines

That's just...wishful thinking imho

reply to post by wigit


I agree with that fully
Insects in some form hold the greatest possibility that being the case...

Maybe even humans that went deep into caves and never came out and grew big light adaptive eyes and dug out bigger and bigger holes..

I go with Insects but... I am sure from abduction stories and... I could go for days on stories, they are...

even if as thought above the came here once, they come from underground now, not from the stars... not regularly at least

Originally posted by NavalFC
This is a tinky pile of BS. First off the very foudations of the OP's theory are unfounded ideas in and of themselves (ie: under ground alien bases, etc).

Taking a unfounded foundation and basing more, unproven ideas upon that foundation doesnt lead to fact.


As far as the allegations that the greys are from Earth, I find this to be bs.

IF and I say IF the greys are real, and IF they are the pilots of the UFO craft, then one can easily surmize they are from space given the fact that the UFOs themselves display chracteristics not of aircraft whos purpose is intra-planetary travel, but the high speeds, the capabilities, the sightings in space, etc, if, and i stipulate if these characterisitcs are true, would suggest in and of themselves a more inter-stellar travel route. But at this point until any hard core evidence is found anything at this point is pure conjecture, so formulating hard core hypothesis and using this to apply it to awide spectrum ideas before it has been established as a theory would be meaningless.

who cares that the saucers behave like inter stellar craft
doesn't tell you anything about whether they're from caves inside the earth or caves inside mars.

but. given that these craft can hypotheticlaly travel the stars...
then c there's no reason why they couldn't have come here earlier .. or started here.. and had/have bases within the earth for millions of years before our civilization got up and running "this time round"

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reply to post by mopusvindictus


If we are to believe at least a certain amount of contactee or abductee stories of what the beings look like, such as the greys, nordics, reptilians etc, maybe humanoid is a universal product of evolution. To believe we are the only life in the universe is being egotistical, I don't believe this planet is unique, maybe humans and our form isn't either.

Not saying there couldn't be other beings being completely different than us though, It's a big place out there after all.

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I beleive you are correct they are insect like because they work as one.. like a hive mind.. they are not individualsI beleive they do not originate from earth.. however they have been here almost as lone as we have.. They consider this "there property" I beleive the reptilians are real... however for some reason they rarely ever show themselves.. I also beleive they have interbred with humans... and have placed most rulers on this planet.. I highly suggest you look into the mars records

These beings are highly intelligent, have very high technology and can place toughts in your mind.. is there anything we can do?

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I read somewhere that the grey may be in fact some sort of "suit" they wear. It would fit well with many descriptions of witnesses. Many even believe that they are some sort of androids or genetically modified creatures.
If its the case what do "they" really look like?

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reply to post by TheOracle


People talk of the small grey, the short ones with the huge eyes as being an android of sorts with biological parts too. They apparently are used as workers to carry out certain tasks. Then theres the tall greys, believed to be the real species, with smaller less tear drop shaped eyes.

To the OP: Well done.

Thanks for sharing your theories. I have a few theories of my own, and I think the truth as to what the greys are might lie near an intersection of our ideas.

A few years ago I was researching possible theories of the biology of the greys and came across information regarding dolphins. Dolphins have an organ that marine biologists call the "melon." This organ allows them to effect a paralysis of the nervous system of other fish and aquatic mammals.

Another similarity is the smooth, grey skin.

After reading your excellent treatise, here is what I propose.

These insectoids are using interpecies ecology to keep us as humanoid aphids. They've created a hybrid between human and dolphin biologies, using the dolphin-like grey to control us humans.

Please feel free to conduct thought experiments regarding my hypothesis and reply.

reply to post by mopusvindictus


Really good effort there OP!
I like your thoughts, not because i agree but but because you formed your opinion very well and actually did lots of research.
The reason why i don't agree is that i have seen some things that had to be out of this world. And why insects? Aquatic life has had way more time to develop and evolve than any other life here on earth. Lots of species that live in water survived the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs. So there might as well be a highly social and intelligent species down there.

reply to post by mopusvindictus

Fascinating theory. To my mind the three aspects that lend credence to it are the presence of an obvious evolved insect type, the facial configuration of the greys, and the multiple reports that they (or some of them) cannot or will not act without direction from superiors, a 'hive mind' mentality. Appreciate the observations!

I think you have a very strong theory here and I also think its a very good probability, anyway once I read you theory about the grays insect connection it reminded me of the hopi indians and their "Ant People" I hope this fits in with your theory.

Ant People

According to legend, at the destruction of each ages of humanity - the people that were pure of heart went down into the center/heart of the Earth and there remained protected.

In this place lived a group of beings they called the Ant People. Drawings of the Ant People bear a strong similarity to the gray aliens, having large heads, short bodies, long spindly fingers, in some cases 4, 5, or 6 digits. Some of these drawings have the indication of telepathic thought waves coming from the beings' head themselves.

Hopi Prophecy speaks of the return of the Blue Kachina - Star People and Star Knowledge - at the end of this cycle of time.

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If we look at how complex insects are, perhaps an inner earth race that has evolved is actually more likely than exterrestrial. As mad as it sounds, it's all about scale. An ant may kook small to us but if we compare our eart to the infinate space it it a possibility.
And we do know than life in scale goes much deeper into the earth and below the oceans than our surface existance.