L.A. and San Fransico, Modern day Sodom and Gomorrah, page 15

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Interesting points made, I'll come back and edit this to address each one. I'm playing taxi today and have little time now but I popped in here to let you know I haven't forgotten, and I appreciate your time.

Originally posted by mmariebored
reply to post by orangetom1999

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Interesting points made, I'll come back and edit this to address each one. I'm playing taxi today and have little time now but I popped in here to let you know I haven't forgotten, and I appreciate your time.

Yes...I understand. While I am not playing taxi per se..I too have lots to do this weekend and a full schedule including working. Also appreciate your time and the heads up. Drive carefully out there.

Thanks,
Orangetom

Originally posted by orangetom1999
reply to post by mmariebored

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...they worship the creature and not the Creator. This is abomination.

I can understand why you believe this is an "abomination" that carried over to the N.T., because of the "most important law" Jesus spoke of, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and mind..." It makes sense, in the Biblical context. What I was looking for was the scripture varifying the claim, like this one being Matthew 22:36-38.

To glorify ones sexuality...sexual orientation..homo or hetero is to worship the creature and not the Creator. This is one facet of the unclean thing. It is also another thing disapproved of both New and Old Testaments...vanity.

I disagree with this. I believe it's a very beautiful thing, our sexual differences, and that part of humanity does not have to be made to be ugly. It's not about "glorifying" our sexuality, it's about admiring our differences without slipping into the perversive excesses. All excesses are perversive because it corrupts your entire being, becomes who you are inside, and what people see when they look at you. That's what I consider "wrong".

But as human beings, we go through stages and one stage revolves around procreation for the continuing of our gene pool and that's why, for a short time in our life, it's normal to physically express, amplify and draw attention to our sexuality for whom we're trying to attract.

As I stated earlier, though, most people pass this stage and taper it down a bit once their hormones settle down.

Oh no they do not!! Not everyone knows this!! All I have to do is go out about town on a Friday/Saturday night and observe wildlife in its natural animal habitat. Going about like advertising billboards ..male and female.
From this we get the joke about "Meat Lockers." Though it is said often in jest and mockery there is an air of truth about it. For many are hunting/advertising..trolling ..for prey..using artificial baits...lures. Male and Female.
I know people who have never learned it...they think it is the only game in town. They still worship the creature..and not the Creator....as they are trying to go another round before the biology runs out..

We're force-fed this mentality, I agree, but most people do learn to express their other attributes to the world, some later than others, some people, never.
We grow up, we start to see that the world will always offer good and bad, in everything we see/hear/feel/smell/eat etc., and it's up to us to decide who we become because of our choices.

...and the clock strikes midnight Cinderella. Not only that...they do this thinking no one sees what they do.

Oh I'm pretty sure in this age of technological advancement people know there's no more such thing as "privacy".

Let me give you and example of this vanity...in the form of an idol and part of Idol worship..,man made traditions.

Take a close look at Jeremiah chapter 10 verses 3&4. Do you know a people who would claim to believe in the Lord and yet carry on with such man made vanity?? Such man made traditions?? That they would bring a tree into the home, nail it up, and deck it about with gold and silver. That they would make merry and send gifts one to another?? Yet so few of them even notice this ..they have been doing it so long ..that they... like the Abominations of the Children of Israel...think this is entirely normal. They no longer know the difference.
Oh...and while we are at it...does this look like it is only an Olde Testament phenomonon since it is only mentioned there. Would anyone be carrying on this same "tradition of men", this "vanity" today???

Christmas is not vanity or worship of the traditions of men. It's different for many people, like everything. To some it's all about getting and giving gifts, to others it's about spending time with family you haven't seen in a while, to others it's about making sad people happy. Please tell me you're not making Christmas evil.

"Good, then I declare the only law that shall henceforth be relevant is "An ye harm none."

LOL LOL Talmudism again. The We are all priests unto God refers to Believers. You and I worship a different God mmariebored. That much I know. No problem here. You have a very different priesthood/religion. We are not the same.

I see you thought it was funny, at least. It was meant to be a joke. I was actually thinking of the Wiccan version "An it harm none, do what ye will.", though I'm not Wiccan, I don't believe in ANY religion out there and as far as God goes, I'm agnostic(which is NOT a religion). You might even say it was the Jesus version, "And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself."

"Maybe a better word for "abominations" is excesses.
Like excess in food, alcohol, med usage, sex etc.
Because if you put it like that, people will not get so angry with you for lying to them by trying to convince them that your source of ideals came from God and not common sense. But then you wouldn't have homosexual argument."

The word for it is abomination. Not Talmudic readjustments...like politics are wont to do or try on the unwary. And politics is very Talmudic. Let us sugar coat it so that no one notices what it is..or the pattern under which it operates or attempts to pass for something it is not. That way ..by changing the name...to excesses or whatever is the next subtlety to privily be inserted in place of abominations....people will not notice and we have privily taken away by subtlety...the homosexual argument. We have neutralized opposition..independent thought ...competition.

The subtle pattern among social engineers...using/misusing words..is that if a word or pattern can be inserted into a peoples unconscious thought...swapped..if you like...then you can now control how a people think and eventually conduct themselves. Guilt conditioning works very much like this. But you must carefully lead them down this path. It works better if they think it is their idea. Advertising is very much like this. Jingles, catchy song lyrics/slogans..very subconscious. I can see politicians doing this often. Today's politicians very much like and appreciate guilt conditioning.
Guilt conditioning is very good for votes and dollars. Guilt conditioning does not work on me. I have seen to much of it used and misused.

And that was the end of it. You provided no grounds for your claim and answered none of my questions, which tells me that you can't prove, from a Biblical perspective, that homosexuality "carried over" into the N.T. as an "abomination".

Oh..and before I sign off...yes, you are correct. We did not have this particular discussion on another board..but as I recall you did ask a good question on another board.

What board? Do you mean under this screen name? Because if you mean under this screen name, I've only used it on two boards. I've used other names but, like this screen name, I've always remained anonymous, so you either have me confused with someone else or you're stalking my IP. Sinse I doubt you're stalking my IP, I'm going to assume you have mistaken me for someone else, because I highly doubt you can say that you recognise me just by my style of debating and the content of my debates because there are literally thousands of boards on the internet and hundreds of millions of screen names used on them.

[edit on 12-12-2008 by mmariebored]

Originally posted by heliosprime

With four helicopters flying overhead, we had no idea what to expect early this evening at Market and Seventh Street, at least in terms of turnout, regarding tonight's Prop. 8 protest.

It was huge. Massive.

Although SFGate (via AP) reports a scant 1,000 protesters, we can safely say that that number is false. People who showed up to protest the passing of prop. 8 -- gay, straight, tranny, black, Latino, Mormon, rich, poor, Christian, white, atheist, even a couple of furries -- were there in numbers that reached the thousands.

As of 8:15 p.m., we're hearing a number of around 25,000 people, at least according to KPIX. PinkNews reports 15,000+.

sfist.com...

There is little doubt that the passage of prop 8 has brought out the abominations of mankind into the streets demanding to "know the strangers" and they did in Lots time just before fire rained down from God.....

Homosexuals demanding to be "accepted" as normal humans..........

Much of the damage to homes and a small Christian college occurred overnight Thursday, but several more homes burned Friday in Montecito, a quaint area that has attracted celebrities such as Rob Lowe, Jeff Bridges, Michael Douglas and Oprah Winfrey. More than 1,000 firefighters worked to contain the blaze.

"It's not a time to relax," Santa Barbara County Deputy Fire Chief Tom Franklin said late Friday. "Everybody's got to be diligent through tonight."

Franklin said up to 200 homes may have burned in the area and asked for patience as crews tried to catalog the devastation in hilly areas accessible only by winding roads.

seattletimes.nwsource.com...

These fires are a warning from God to the righteous people of california to flee before the destruction of BOTH cities of sin.

Is it only a coincidence than these fire, the worst ever seen,have "popped" up just days after the abominations of God took to the streets?

The wrath of the Lord God will soon rain destruction of those who basphem his name demanding to corrupt "holy" marriage of a man and woman.

Repent or DIE...........








[edit on 15-11-2008 by heliosprime]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ARE YOU SERIOUS DUDE?????

As a Native Californian and state resident I think your just pissed off cause as Californians we are far superior to anybody East of California, we have it all 24/7 365 days a year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by heliosprime

With four helicopters flying overhead, we had no idea what to expect early this evening at Market and Seventh Street, at least in terms of turnout, regarding tonight's Prop. 8 protest.

It was huge. Massive.

Although SFGate (via AP) reports a scant 1,000 protesters, we can safely say that that number is false. People who showed up to protest the passing of prop. 8 -- gay, straight, tranny, black, Latino, Mormon, rich, poor, Christian, white, atheist, even a couple of furries -- were there in numbers that reached the thousands.

As of 8:15 p.m., we're hearing a number of around 25,000 people, at least according to KPIX. PinkNews reports 15,000+.

sfist.com...

There is little doubt that the passage of prop 8 has brought out the abominations of mankind into the streets demanding to "know the strangers" and they did in Lots time just before fire rained down from God.....

Homosexuals demanding to be "accepted" as normal humans..........

Much of the damage to homes and a small Christian college occurred overnight Thursday, but several more homes burned Friday in Montecito, a quaint area that has attracted celebrities such as Rob Lowe, Jeff Bridges, Michael Douglas and Oprah Winfrey. More than 1,000 firefighters worked to contain the blaze.

"It's not a time to relax," Santa Barbara County Deputy Fire Chief Tom Franklin said late Friday. "Everybody's got to be diligent through tonight."

Franklin said up to 200 homes may have burned in the area and asked for patience as crews tried to catalog the devastation in hilly areas accessible only by winding roads.

seattletimes.nwsource.com...

These fires are a warning from God to the righteous people of california to flee before the destruction of BOTH cities of sin.

Is it only a coincidence than these fire, the worst ever seen,have "popped" up just days after the abominations of God took to the streets?

The wrath of the Lord God will soon rain destruction of those who basphem his name demanding to corrupt "holy" marriage of a man and woman.

Repent or DIE...........








[edit on 15-11-2008 by heliosprime]

For the love of...
"Judge not lest ye be judged yourself"
Ok, first of all, I'm pretty sure that homosexuality is a sin as described in the Bible. That being said, it is one on a long list of the sins comitted daily by human kind. There are far worse sins, the kind that both break your leg and pick your pocket: corruption, murder, rape. Your fixation on homosexuality is a result of prejudice. The sin of homosexuality (if it truly is a sin) is confined to the self, no one can be taught to be gay, it is not an epidemic, it is not contagious. Why not go out and fight things that do harm the community, what is epidemic such as addiction and crime.

Secondly, Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of overall immorality. They weren't all homosexuals, there would be no city if that were the case. They were rapists, they were murderers, they were pansexual (anything with a hole is fair game), and they were inhospitable. L.A. and San Francisco are pretty close to modern day Sodom and Gomorrah, but you're an idiot if you think it is homosexuality alone. Murder, pandemic addiction, mocking God, Godlessness, pansexuality, and general worldliness; these are their crimes. Should they repent? Of course! Can a homosexual inherit the Kingdom of God? No; neither can liars, the hateful (look in a mirror, dude), murderers, and those who do not love their fellow man. You will find we are all guilty, but we may all be forgiven if we ask.

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