reply to post by Lucid Lunacy
Thanks for your post. I'll give you one thing ..for the most part you stay away from the drama. To many drama queens on this thread.
However ...concerning your quote...I think it refers to this one. Yes I read it earlier. It reads strangely to me.
Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed, according to the Bible, because the citizens were not good people. They were wicked towards outsiders.
They didn't care for the poor, etc. Here is something God said (according to the Bible) about why the cities were destroyed:
"She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things
I am thinking you are quoting from one of the new versions of the bible. NIV or such. I cannot recognize the verse so please give me the chapter and
verse as I am using the King James version of 1611.
I agree with you in the verse quoted that the people were not good people. Definitely. The description you are quoting here ..uses the word...She and
her daughters. This phrase or wording is very telling to those versed in certain patterns used in the Bible.
Ahh...ok..found it finally..Ezekiel 16:49 ok..thanks. Yes..this is describing the sin of the nation of Ancient Israel....through the prism of Sodom.
This is done in several places in Ezekiel as well as the Old Testament/New Testament for our knowledge and usage/benefit.
All of this falls under what is called and often termed "the pride of life."
One often sees the terms pride of life and lusts of the flesh together.
Lust of the flesh is not always used to refer to sexual desires but also used in reference to the things of this world ..lusting after the things of
this world. Defining ones self by the things of this world and pride in the things of this world and to the glory of man or the self..and not God.
The point to know about lusting after the things of this world is that it also includes eventually the lust of the flesh. This is for natural men the
apex of mens performance as stated in previous posts.
All of this comes under the more common term used to describe it both Old and New Testament...Whoredom. This is the reason that in the Bible the
whoredoms of a nation or peoples are often described using the feminine..or "she...her...or her daughters." Whenever one sees this...one needs to
know to look for the words describing "whoredom." Also one needs to know that whoredom also includes "spiritual whoredom..which will eventually
lead to justification and rationalization of all the other whoredoms. They are related.
What you see in threads like this one is attempts by logic and reason/intelligence to show that they are not related..they are separate
individual..non related things. This is quite clear to those versed in the technique. It is very Talmudic in its applications by the same pattern to
which I referred in a previous post...Mentalus Reservatus or Mental Reservation. A very interesting technique once one learns to spot it for what it
This sin of Sodom was also committed by Ancient Israel. In this passage you quote here Lucid Lunacy...it goes on to say that Ancient Israel did worse
than did Sodom and Sodom was bad before the eyes of God. And God is quite correct in this.
Persons versed in the Bible know to go to the passages both before and after the one you quoted..Ezekiel 16:49 to get the full context of it.
The sin of both Sodom and also Ancient Israel was Whoredom..specifically pride of life. Glorying in the flesh and not in God.
This template also applied to the nations surrounding Ancient Israel and their doings. This is the specific reason the Children of Israel were told
not to follow the ways of the nations surrounding them. For to do any one of these was eventually to do all of them and we have the record of the
Children of Israel doing all of them in process of time.
This is also why the number one commandment is "Thou shalt have no other gods before me. " For if they broke this one they would break and did in
fact break all the rest. They put another god/gods before the God of the Bible.
This is what was happening in the "groves and high places" of which the Children of Israel were warned over and over not to do. These were the bunny
clubs of the day. They also worshiped in the hills in the daytime and in the valleys at night..just as many are doing today.
Nonetheless we are talking about a number of things which encompass whoredom including sexual depravity...which was rampant in the nations surrounding
I still stand by what I said...that it is foolish for a people to define themselves by their sexuality/sexual orientation as a means to identify
themselves or glory in themselves. This is an outward sign of the very Pride of Life I mentioned earlier. This applies both Homo as well as
Heterosexual. This is clear..from the beginning of the Bible to the end. No where does one ever see an instruction to do so....to define ones self by
thier sexuality or sexual orientation. For it is part and parcel of the pattern of Whoredom.
We know this by the usage of the words..she..her..her daughters. We find this pattern over and over in the Old Testament. It usually refers to
inequity, whoredom, and abominations...not exclusively sexual in nature but in pride of life ..which also includes sexual depravities.
Also I need to take time to state..about Believers today...Christians ...many of them are doing the same abominations/whoredoms done by the peoples of
Sodom and also Ancient Israel...and most don't even realize it. THey have not done their homework. They have not studied. Many of them have a clue.
Not only this but many of their spiritual leaders don't want them to know...deliberately. THey are simply not taught the Whole
Council of God. I am often prone to declaring the very ignorance of many of my Brethren. Astonishing but true. Many Christians are doing precisely the
abominations as did the Children of Israel. Whoredom.
Also in New Testament terminology this pattern of Sodom is often used with the word Egypt...Sodom and Egypt ...to describe this world system and
patterns of abominations/whoredoms.
THanks for your post Lucid Lunacy,
In editing this post I came across this for which I quote you
In fact the decendents of the lost 10 tribes purified America.....
Wow!! This hit me like a ton of bricks from out in left field somewhere.
In quoting my reply to Jomina from page 12 of this thread..
Those on meat and not milk know that He will lose not one of those the father hath given him...not one shall be lost in the last day. That
pretty much leaves our humanity out of the process.
How can a Savior who will lose not one the Father hath given him but raise them all up in the last day.....how can such ...lose ten tribes??
Just like Jomina ...what god do you serve??
I know from whence this doctrine/dogma comes having read Eastern Philosophys and Occult works. This is precisely the pattern of which I am speaking to
Lucid Lunacy..under the abominations of the Children of Israel..where their leadership began to sneak in doctrine, practices, and abominations and
privily pass them off to an unawares people as if they were the Law of Moses and they were in fact not. This is the Whoredom of the Children of
Israel. It is also the Whoredom of todays Believers.
For God knows who are his. He will lose not one....ever.
[edit on 6-12-2008 by orangetom1999]