It just seems like you are painting a picture of something that this is not. 1-2 hours mandatory? That's way less then what my public high school required. Programs like these already exist and if he wants to expand them to include more people then more power to him. The world needs more volunteers, even if it's mandatory. It's called serving and learning how to help someone other then yourself. Have you ever tried it? (that is a rhetorical question)

I had posted this video in the "Congressman warns" thread a few days ago. His remarks are very alarming. It is just sad that many people would much rather ignore his words and put so much faith into what Obama has said even while ignoring the scary things that he says. It is almost like people are blinded by his words of hope that they ignore his other words that should make them pay attention.

Sometimes I wonder if we have been trained. So many years of hearing Bush and company "misspeak" it is almost as if people just assume that is what other Politicians are doing too so they completely disregard anything they say that does not go along with his message of hope, prosperity, etc etc.

How do you not see my point?

We are both blinded by our opinions and it seems like neither side is going to budge. I see it as being something good, you are choosing to see it as something negative.

Not much we can do beyond agreeing to disagree.

Originally posted by Benarius
This is how the Hitler-Youth movement started. Nice one. They at first didn't notice themselfs what was really going on. Wake up America. Do yourself a favour and fight those radicals hiding behind the puppet government that's being portrait. Start to beleive it, before it is too late.

Starting to notice a theme of europeans chimimg in on this one. I thought he was loved all over the world? now were being warned.

These are not my words or thoughts, rather Obama's administrations. Hey at least he was honest we will get change!

It is so obvious the Israelis have been planning this for years. It is all part of the masterplan to wipe out Iran and Islam and they are using USA as a tool to do it.

Originally posted by MischeviousElf
OK World Nut Daily for a start.

Secondly the audio clip iS very heavily edited, and in the part where he is going to say Baraks or at (home) the at home is cut out.

The details of this need to be looked at, if it means everyone in the US has to spend 3 months between the ages of 18-25 doing voluntary work in local charity hospitals, or if they can help in schools, clean up graffiti....

Well if they are gang banging anyhow, or unemployed, depending on certain parameters as mentioned below it is not a bad idea.

I have not read the proposed legislation though, so the specifics are very important indeed,

3 months at any time between 18-25... broken up? 1 month every year or two....

2 hours a week?

Or a choice to go and do 3 months instead in one place?.

Indeed the way World Nut Daily portray this it is very worrying but I will as shown above reserve my condemnation, which would viterol, all inclusive and very very loud if it is a kind of "Hitler Youth" of any type at all....

But in the mean time it may be a good idea... like said for hospitals, community work, staying at home, giving the coming 15% of unemployment or higher in the US education and references experience may not be a bad thing.

The important thing is the ability of the individual to tailor the service to their needs or likes and dislikes, to fit in with their and their families career and education and care needs...

Lets wait and see, I really cant see any type of forced 3 months in a camp ever being accepted in the US anyhow.

Elf.

Okay if things are edited than maybe we should dim down a little bit but being neighbour to Germany (i'm from Holland) and given the resent past we tend to be a little carefull when people suddenly appear out of nowhere ,who are praysed by millions and come up with suggestions of mandatory civil duty.

Are all people in America in this age class gang banging or unemployed..

I think it is atleast a little strange that goverment can come up with 800 billion dollar to help out certain people in need but rely on their civilians to help out others.....who making these dessions....

If you want kids to help create a beter community educate them better and ask them to help out but don't make it madatory.....it's scary

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In my experience, Americorps is a huge waste as far as service goes. I worked around Americorps workers when I volunteered at a non-profit in college. These guys get paid 10 dollars an hour and their college education paid for. They have to have a certain amount of mandatory hours but a majority of them can be done "From home." So they could be given the smallest amount of work and be like "yeah I spent four hours doing this at home yesterday." Meanwhile they work a job at the same time or are raising their kids, calling in sick constantly or having to go to work instead of showing up to help the non-profit.

This was my experience. The juggle their Americorps responsibility with the rest of their life and it is priority 65 for most of them. They are getting a college education for doing basically nothing. The 10 dollars an hour is more than many people I know with real jobs get. And that's taxpayer money The paying for college must really drive up the amount of entitlements the government has promised and owes...

Wanting to expand these programs, totally ridiculous. It wasn't just Obama though. Mccain told kids at the MTV thing to join Americorps. Mccain was always going on about "serving a higher purpose." Hearing either of these turned me off to both candidates big time.

This stuff is a total joke. Even if our communities did get some bang for it's buck there is no "higher purpose" (At least that politicians can sell you)because all people are created equal. Freedom and liberty are what it's all about.

Everyone is saying "Whats wrong with that?" I will tell you in one word,
"Required". It will be "Required"...it means "Manditory"
I think that anyone who VOTED for Obama should be REQUIRED to do 3 months in this program. Those who did NOT vote for Obama get an option.
Thats what I call FAIR!

The authenticity of that audio video is dubious. It constantly cuts out and in, it has some annoying scraping sound, and all the people in the background talking does cause some hearing problems. It's very sketchy.

Everywhere I've tried to find an alternative video or even another site with anything other than nazi-esque comparisons of this program. I failed.



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