Thoughts/Opinions as to WHY Abductions may happen to specific people/families

reply to post by Witness2008

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Anyone could list what they think you and others here want to believe in order to make these connections.

Blood type for myself is allegedly O+. I'm not sure of my parents. Longevity, was one my grandparents sides like many other people. My mother did look young for her age.

My father's connection to the military was secretive in my famlily for most of us. I met an alleged CIA agent in the early 60's that passed out CIA patches to the young family members. My father eventually gave it to me when I left the house to get married.

My mother, I recall claimed to have some amount of psychic ability.

I've recalled having met quite a few military and government people during my life, many of which seemed to come to our house. A few were remote viewers such as Russell Targ, Paul Smith etc.

False memories or planted memories, I'm not sure exactly who, where and why, but it seems it was meant to be misleading and a number of mind control experiments among others. Mental illness has been said to be a typical cover for these alleged experiences also.

What a vivid and brilliant imagination I must have had when I was a kid. (not)

reply to post by spacecowgirl

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Hi Spacecowgirl, great to have your input.

I'm also more in the metaphysical 'soul group' camp rather than the more physical nature of DNA etc.

It is also interesting you speak of being tested - I have my own experiences around that which I posted some years ago on an earlier incarnation of ATS Forums in regards to a series of dreams I experienced from early teens through into my early twenties which had a common theme of fighting/battling what were in the form of *alien* entities.

Those dreams in some ways *taught* me to let go of fear...to also let go of the rudimentary animalistic drivers during those dream confrontations, the drivers of hate, anger, vengence, of personalising the battle etc. They taught me to centre, to focus...lessons which have carried over into things I'm involved within in my current employment and also in my 'spare time' when called upon.
I will get into it all more specifically later perhaps.


In regards to my friend who was experiencing possible abductions. He - well, in my opinion and of course he doesn't claim any such...as is the way - is someone whom I see as being quite blessed.
What followed on from that event was a reconnection for him to his own family, to his own Tohunga/Healers within his rohe/area.
*Protection* was placed with him and around him...and more importantly perhaps he was blessed to be able to walk alongside more knowledgeable people with whom he could discover himself and a possible reason for why/what he had been experiencing.

Currently he works within a Healing group. He serves others well. His callings within that group are Mirimiri (our form of healing massage...though also with a *spiritual connection/assessment/intervention)...also he is part of a group that visits people and places and restores 'balance', well, 'ghost-busting' may be another term for it...

Was he cold and clammy? Absolutely. Acting wierd? absolutely. I would too if I woke up with an icy cold chest and some freaky light eminating from it... but to be honest, and this may sound strange (well, it may not actually for some...) he didn't *feel* like him at all initially.

...what I mean by that is I guess all of us have a *feel* to us.
We term it Mauri (Life-force) and Wairua (Spirit). For us every person has a specific individual Mauri and Wairua...it is unique to them. Just as people have their own unique smell, mannerisms, way of walking, talking, moving.
All those things are the context of the whole person...and its via those that we identify the person.
For me anyway when I was in his room - despite him being awake, talking, moving...it just didn't feel like him.
His Mauri, his Wairua was not *his* if that makes any sense...rather it was like my own inner dialogue was "I see your body there bro...but thats not you".
His Mauri and Wairua sort of *faded back in* and became more apparent as his chest heated back up.


Thanks again to all who have replied, and those who have read. Thank you for your sharing.



Peace.

I was just reading this thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by alien

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Yes that all makes sense
Your answer is exactly what I thought so thanks for explaining all of that to me. I would be interested to know if your friend who is now more spiritually in tune and working with spirit, feels the same way about abductions? Is he still terrified of them? Can he differentiate between an alien visitation and something else? Does he have total recall of his experiences of abduction or just snippets here and there?

reply to post by X-tal_Phusion

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Hi and thanks for the link. It is my understanding that there is a hierachy amongst aliens, who I believe, live underground on earth but also are multidimensional.
I think the head of the whole shebang are the draco/reptilians. They have been on earth for eons. They are shapeshifters and can move in and out of other peoples bodies as well but it helps if the other person is drunk or something so they can shove them over a bit

Under them, I believe is the greys and under them is the small elvish creatures who are the minions for the greys. The greys wear a suit. In the movie Communion, one takes off its suit and shows the most vile of creatures. It doesn't look like an insect then.

The Reptilians have a huge sexual apetite but the greys are asexual and prefer to sup on sexual energy of others (humans) among other things.

Some greys work for good and some for evil and some don't give a continental either way.

Personally, I think the whole lot are not too good for humans. But then I had them take my own child from my womb. He is still with them today and he has had a most awful life with them and there is nothing I can do about it. They had no right to kidnap my own child. Universal law is such that they will have to deal with that at some stage karmically.

He is no longer terrified. Not at all. In some ways even the reverse. To him it was almost 'par for the course' in his learning/journey to where and what he is now.

*They* still come occasionally - but they get no quarter and are quickly shuffled on.



Interesting question. Will have to ask him specifically next time I meet with him/speak with him.
However from similar conversations I've had with him: He sees visitations as similar things...he sees it not so much the *who* or *from where*, but rather the *why* in regards to visitations.
He sees them as attempts to create disbalance, also perhaps as almost an attempt to 'retaliate' for the good work he does now for others.
His method of dealing with those visitations are the same as we traditionally use for Wairua/spiritual visitations.
Perhaps to sort of draw a similarity here: He uses the same type of *Fly Spray* to deal with whatever pesters him...be it Flies, Spiders, Ants, Mosquitos.

So perhaps he doesn't distinguish between forms...rather intents...and to him the intent is the same - negative...so he deals with it all in the same way.



I don't know if he has total recall...again something I may have to ask him next time. I do know he has had clarity/recall around a number of events he was searching for answers around. Things he wasn't sure of etc. I kinda think with some things it might be more a case of him remembering only perhaps that which he now chooses to remember.

I can see this growing into a larger reply, so will perhaps draft it up and put it all into one single one...but he, I and two others underwent a bit of a process of meditation, self discovery, retreat, call it what you will...we simply call it a 'noho' (which effectively translates to 'sit/stay')

This Noho was held on one of our Wahi Tapu (sacred places). Every area, every Iwi (tribe) have their Wahi Tapu...they are special places, often places of healing, of contemplation...they are places also seen (well, some of them and certainly the one where we held our Noho) as being like energy convergence points...places where Wairua/Spirit gathers. These Wahi Tapu are places that people go/are taken to for solice...for security...to be safe while they find (or are guided towards) the *answers* that lay within them. While you are there you are protected...protected by the locals, but also - we believe - by those who have gone before us, our tipuna (ancestors) and/or the tipuna of those Wahi Tapu.

It was there that we gained a bit of insight into what we had experienced...gained a bit of clarity. Like I say, will draft it all up into a single reply and post it.


Peace.

Thanks for your answer and I look forward to hearing more. I am interested in the fact he sees all alien abduction as negative and is a spiritual person. It is not often that I come across that attitude. I often encounter a kindly space brothers attitude among spiritual people towards aliens but I feel they are up to no good.

reply to post by X-tal_Phusion

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I've also been following that thread. Its certainly much food for thought and contemplation...

...heh...would explain why I don't particularily feel any loving warm feelings towards Praying Mantis'...



Peace.

From my own experiances...it took me years to piece it together. When I was young I didn't know what to make of the funny "dreams" about ufos. As I got a little older (into my teens) I started to experiance missing time episodes-again I wasn't sure about what was happening to me. I found this strange little thing in my skin and I didn't know what it was only that it wasnt there just a little while before. It was hour glass shaped and all I knew is that I didn't want it and dug that sucker out. In my highschool years it was strange bouts of intense light into my bedroom that no one in the house experianced but me...this still went on up until a few years ago when I had a pithney (spelling?) about Ufos. Today, I sleep with the lights on all night. I lock the doors- I know they still come and I have little marks time to time.

My grandfather was stationed at Dugway and Minot was involved in something very high level right after WW2. My father spent all his time in Airforce in Top Secret and above missions; to which he traveled quite a bit- worked with the NSA, NRO, DIA, CIA and other military intel services.
He spoke only a couple times of UFO things-only a little thing here or there. Maybe to get a boy's interest-but maybe not. I have had uncles that were DEA, CIA, and other things. Both my parents are/were well educated.

Although I am a smart guy about various things....school bores me so I chose not to finish college and to go to work. My only thoughts is that it must be a certain genetic code. I will say that I only had one encounter that I remember that was teriffing. The rest of them I was calm with. I had one encounter where I was given a shot in the arm- that was a "vitamin" shot...had the mark on my arm the next day and I felt really good for a few weeks.

I do not wake up each day and see what new mark I got or strange thing happened to me. I get up and get to work or like now I get up and job hunt.

I'm also picking there is some cultural influence again in regards to how he/we interpret those *entities*.

As mentioned in a reply previously we also see that we have 'Kaitiaki' (Gaurdians, Helpers etc) whom have a positive role. Its the negative entities that would be classed within the Kehua/Ngangara category...hence perhaps the focus that the *visitations* in that regard are negative. The Kaitiaki visitations are more like family dropping in or hanging around...as opposed to popping in unannounced, unwelcomed and uninvited.

Peace.

"as opposed to popping in unannounced, unwelcomed and uninvited. "

Perhaps this should be classified under astral ethics, and the respect shown to personal space around another entity. Family tends to stand back until you notice them and invite them in. Alien is this something you have noticed or been taught in your experience?

This resounds with me. Might be something completely different...but my own experiences:

My first *experience* was when I was approx 4 years old. Unsure of my exact age, I'm picking it was around 4 based on the house we were staying in at the time...which was between the ages of 3-5.

I used to wake up and see a, well, only way I can describe it was a *light being* at the foot of my bed. It was a pillar of bright light roughly in the shape of a person, approx 6-6 1/2ft tall.
No obvious delineation of arms/legs...more like a solid pillar of light from the floor up to approx 'shoulder' level where the light roughly represented the tapering of shoulders to the 'head'.

It did nothing. Just stood there. Didn't move, didn't say anything, didn't seem to communicate in any way.
I was somewhat perturbed by it...as you would be waking up and seeing a pillar of light at the foot of your bed - certainly not a normal occurance
However I was never frightened by it as such...just more wierded out by it. I'd simply go back to sleep and not concern myself with it.
It wasn't there every night...maybe just twice a week for a while.
Same deal - just standing there at the foot of my bed. I also didn't get the *feeling* it was watching or looking at me (though it had no obvious face or anything)...more just a feeling of not being watched by it. I did however somehow have a feeling while it wasn't *watching* me, it was *watching over* me.

This happened for a few weeks. I mentioned it to my mother and remember her telling me not to worry, it means no harm and is there for a reason. Once that reason is realised it'll leave.
Which - looking back at it now with a more indepth knowledge and understanding of my mother and what she seems to do - again confirms to me (if I required any confirmation) that it was not malicious, quite the opposite. As if my mother considered it malicious she would have dealt with it in her/our own way.

So...there we go...some pillar of light type *thing/being* standing there at the foot of my bed for a few weeks until one night I woke up scared. I've been scared before in my life - as we all have - but this fearful feeling was different to any other fear response I've experienced due to other events/incidents in my life.
This fearful feeling was deeply cold, like a block of ice within my chest. I also noticed that this light *thing* was present, but for some reason I also got a sense it wasn't 'facing' towards me (again there was no obvious form to it to perhaps indicate any front or back of it) but rather it was 'facing' towards my bedroom window.
My bedroom didn't have any proper curtains, only those thin lace-like terralene net curtains...so you could see outside, shapes etc of the trees outside.
I'd swear to death that there was *something* outside my window looking in. I couldn't actually see anything at all out there apart from the shapes of trees etc...but it was that feeling that you get when you can literally FEEL someones eyes on you.
The cold chill in my chest just increased and increased. That light *thing* then seemed to expand and grow in brillance...it then quickly, don't really know how to put it into words, but sort of dissipated into a *wall* of light that then just *flew* out - exploded out - towards the window and this *whatever it was* that may have been out there.
The fear vanished and I felt calm and peaceful and went back to sleep.

I've seen those things, those *light beings* a few more times in my life as well.

Actually the most recent time was a week ago. My wife and I were in bed, fading off to sleep, when there was a light eminating in our hallway. We both looked over and saw this pillar of light just pass past the bedroom door and carry on up the hallway.
"One of yours or one of mine?" asked my wife.
"Both I think" was my answer.
"Well at least that one isn't stomping up the hallway" said the wife.
Hahaha...my wife has her own experiences, I have mine, and combined well - as friends who have stayed with us had said before - sometimes our place is a bit like a Spook Grand Central Station...




What was the epiphany you had? Very interested to hear it if you're okay to share it.


What does any of this have to do in regards to the initial topic?
I personally think its all related. I personally think that sometimes we seem to argue over interpretations of the same thing...and that it perhaps is all just semantics...po-tay-to, po-tar-to...

As mentioned I also feel these things may run in families or specific people due to the *specific* nature of that they may be.



Peace.

Bit of both really.

I'm conscious this is turning into an almost 'Introduction into Maori Culture 101'...

But yes, its with a culturally influenced understanding. We don't see our tipuna/ancestors as being *gone* from us when they pass on...rather the connection between us - referred to as 'Te Taurahere' ('The rope/cable that binds') - remains between the living and the dead.
That taurahere flows from generation to generation. For want of a better way of putting it that 'soul-tie' remains...we merely *hold* onto a portion of it I guess like a team of people holding a rope during a Tug-o-War.

So with that understanding its believed - and is my belief/experience - that we can still *access* their assistance in times of need. Its a common practise to effectively call upon specific tipuna/ancestors and seek their help with something.
For instance, a person about to embark on a journey might *call out* (via meditation, karakia/prayer) to a tipuna/ancestor who was reknown for being an adventurer. Might effectively ask that tipuna to be with them for that journey of specific bits of it.

There have been times when I've called upon my tipuna for assistance and believe they have indeed assisted me.

However - there have also been times when I didn't consciously call them yet also believe they have stepped in and assisted. Those however were during times of extreme threat/peril.

So yes while for the most part its seen as a case of 'assist when asked', but sometimes its also a case of 'needing assistance and receiving it even if you haven't asked - consciously - for it'.


Peace.

Perhaps what you are pointing to is that abductions occuring in a family line has more to do with a spiritual connection then a genetic one.

I what I'm reading here I would say abduction would be an incorrect word.

mindwar/psychic war/dreamwar... comes to mind but that would be a whole new world to explore.

Life can be interesting I suppose, what I may percieve as war may just be a journey to another or vice-versa. I suppose it would depend on the importance one places on the casualities.

I walked away from this war a long time ago and for some reason feel like I am being drawn back in. Any ideas why I would feel this way?

I don't know (remember?) anything about hierarchies, races, or anything else about their societal structure. My memories are dream(-like?) snippets that don't seem to amount to much of anything. I can describe what I saw but not what it means or what the context was.

I'm willing to accept the possibility that their mode of transport may exploit some knowledge of higher dimensions but I'm hesitant to explain anything in terms of faith and/or spiritual manifestations. Our ancestors invoked magic and myth to describe what they did not understand and to me, it feels like a crutch when we have science. Having faith in the phenomenon won't help us to learn how to take control of our own environment. The best way to do that is to collect, analyze, and present evidence. Evidence is data and data helps us to generate hypotheses (testable questions) which in turn may lead to theories (models with a reasonable level of predictability). Having the capacity to predict events with some level of certainty gives us control. The more we know, the more options we have.

I feel as though relying on the spiritual realm, while it is comforting to many, relinquishes control over our own fate. Perhaps I'm just not ready to "quit and go home", no matter how insurmountable the odds in a conflict but that is my nature and it has served me well in life. If ghosts exist, they are the kind of "flesh and blood" organisms that are still alive in another time and place in the universe, that happen to pass through our world accidentally as a form of "quantum weirdness". The best explanation I have ever read for ghosts was in Michio Kaku's book, "Hyperspace" where he describes a visiting 3-D sphere to a 2-D "Flatland" world. It appears as a spot, grows into a circle that gets larger, then smaller, shrinks to a dot, and vanishes as it passes through the flat 2-D world. Maybe it would explain the sudden appearance/disappearance without regard for "solid" structures but don't forget... even in the most solid of objects, there's still a HECK of a lot of empty space!



All I can say is that about a year ago, I had, what I thought at the time, was just a very vivid dream. This was prior to me doing any reading about screen memories but here's what I remember... I was standing in a white room and there was a large, cylindrical, silver tank with water in it. When I looked inside, there was a strange-looking animal with pinkish-orange skin in it. It's eyes were large, black, and looked very miserable; as if in pain. I pulled it out of the water and held it. The next thing I remember is waking up in my bed with that wrinkled, wet face staring up at me etched into my mind. It still haunts me and now I wonder...

I had vivid dreams(?) prior to that where I was in a building with tall honey-combed walls (like a giant hive). There were a lot of strange-looking children there who could move as if suspended in a microgravity environment. The rooms had very high ceilings and the light was odd-- almost like a sunset/sunrise in some places. They had hair like mine. Since the very first dream of this type, I have felt a sort of yearning... almost as though I was missing someone very close to me. I've described it to a few others as a string; tied tightly around my heart & pulled from somewhere unseen in the sky. 6 miles never felt further away than it did to realize that "up" was the least accessible of any direction (except, perhaps "down").

When you say your son has an awful life, what do you mean? What do you know about why and the way in which children are raised? I know what the "experts" think but I want to hear more about what you and others think. To me, this is one of the most important aspects of the abduction phenomenon. Why would an alien species take some children over others? Why would they bother to interfere with human offspring at all? If this is truly about genetics/family traits, then we need to consider the role children play in this (since childhood seems to be a crucial period during which one is either selected for abduction or not).

Why would an alien make any (or all) of these choices:
a) ignore & leave alone
b) abduct & release periodically
c) abduct & release once
d) abduct once (to keep)
e) "b" subject as parent of "d" offspring

Perhaps our ancestors did actually have a good understanding of what they faced in their time.
Oh absolutely there are myths and legends that really defy belief - for instance one of ours is that a mythical figure called Maui literally fished up our North Island. Yeah. Okay. Good luck on that one...

However whether or not what they held a belief in - however *unscientific* - is a crutch or not is debateable. To me its not so much whether something is spiritual or whether its scientific...its whether it works for you consistantly that matters.

For instance: My wife has this fancy smancy potato peeler...the thing looks like something out of the 25th century...its all ergonomical this, moulded that, titanium the other. Cost something ridiculous like $80! For a potato peeler! Lucky it was given to us as a wedding present...

Me - I just use the same cheap sharp knife that I use to core the pumpkin, slice the mushrooms, 'julian' the carrots.

...end result is that the potatoes get peeled.




Absolutely the more we know the more options we have. However on what basis, what 'cut off point' do we stop accepting possible options?
I guess a possible answer to that would be: At the point that those options are not scientifically verifiable.
Which is fair enough really...or else you may as well accept absolutely everything...right down to Ronald McDonald wearing a Tooth Fairy outfit did it.
So I can totally see the danger in having no real 'vetting' method in regards to what is and isn't accepted as 'options' and how those options are appraised.

For me again the appraisal, the proof, is in the pudding - or the potato.

Does having faith in something impeed us from learning how to control our environment? Well I guess in some way that could be seen as being dependent on whether your environment only/purely consists of what is scientifically verifiable or not.




Perhaps again its a case of relying on what works for the person.
Proof is such a kettle-o-fish word. To many that word, Proof, is defined as that which is analytically verifiable. That can be logically, independently (again, scientifically and consistantly) objectively proven. Fair enough.
Proof for others is a subjective word...and yes I'm aware of the pitfalls of subjectivity...just because someone may believe that Ronald McDonald is wearing a Tooth Fairy outfit and doing it, doesn't mean its so.

So we come to relinquishing control over our own fate.
Is control over ones own fate a monopoly offshoot/outcome of the spiritual or the scientific?

I know I've heard it numerous times - and please, I'm certainly NOT saying this is something you feel, its a comment in general from what I've read on many forums, other media, heard from others I've spoken with etc - that there is a feeling...at times a very strong assertion...that things like faith and spiritually are the bastion of the weak-minded.
Of those who are perhaps 'too lazy to think any more', instead find it easier to simply say "Its ghosts" or "God did it" <-- read that many times right here on ATS.

Where I'm coming from is this: I kinda think that we all draw our lines in the sand. We all have things we accept as our 'building blocks' if you will upon which we form our beliefs, what we hold to be true, what we accept as our reality.
Some may draw those lines based on less verifiable building blocks...they may well be building blocks that they have found effective/valid, that they have found via experience ring true for them.

Others prefer the hard concrete undeniable building blocks that can be shown to be concrete, shown to be blocks, shown to be built upon. Cool as.

Now...if you have those blocks...be they woo-woo or be they concrete...and if they are consistantly working for you...do you still continue to build with them - or do you switch to using building-triangles, or building-spheres.
At some point we accept *something* as the building method or building material. At some point we place our *faith* in something...whatever that is. So I guess at some point then perhaps we may be seen as reliquishing some form of control via that acceptance of *something* as our building block.

IF however that building block later crumbles...well...we then go looking for a better one. But until it does, then we tend to stick with it.

To me I kinda feel that we relinquish some amount of 'control' when we accept something as a given of sorts. We take some kind of 'breather' when we do so. We stop 100% 'thinking' - if only a little tiny bit - when we accept something as *true*...be that *truth* a spiritual one or a scientific one.
Bit like a "Okay. Got it now. It works. Its shown to work. I'll tackle the next unknown now" kinda thing.
At some point we reliquish our 'control' to the method and/or material.

For instance: If we take a mathematical equation, we feed in a number and we get a result. We feed in another number and we get a result. Who/what has the real control over the result there?
Is it the person feeding in the number or the equation? Or both?

Probably about to get slammed to the eyeballs by all the Mathematicians and Scientists (of which I'm patently not one ) in the house for saying that...but please know I mean NO offence by that at all and also likely didn't convey my intended message properly...

...hopefully some sense was made there though...


peace.



*editted as I can't spell worth a damn...

[edit on 18-11-2008 by alien]

reply to post by alien

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Well that is all interesting, however, I don't know anyone in this whole world who "wanted" to accept that aliens are real, not even abductees. We had no choice of building blocks, we just had to deal with what we were handed. When an abductee faces such a truth it is like their whole world is tipped upside down and everything has to be looked at again from the ground up to see what fits.

reply to post by aleon1018

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I am very sad to hear of your experience. There is truly nothing more sinister than Military abductions. Have you posted your story on ATS anywhere? I would like to know more about it but will understand if you dont want to say.

reply to post by alien

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Thanks for posting your experience with the pillar of light. It is just fascinating.