Addressing the subject of alien abductions of specific individuals and/or multiple family members over a period of time, I have to go with the idea of a scientific study of specific physical traits of those persons. I first heard it suggested by Walter (Walt) Andrus of MUFO back in the 1990’s that this was being reported and the theory had serious potential and merit.

This is even more notable when one takes into consideration that most of the abduction cases could be regarded as a species research project in similar fashion to the type of species research we conduct on lower life forms. After all, if you break it down to basic actions, it is exactly the same way we research lower life forms in the wild. Locate, capture, test, record vitals and stats, tag, release and return later to repeat the process for a comparison.

So, having some sort of notable physical difference that gives an advantage might make you or your family susceptible to abductions. Beware Michael Phelps, beware. Having a dolphin like body, huge feet and an overwhelming success at the Olympics might make him a target for a research paper.

Now, to qualify myself on the matter since we are putting the cards on the proverbial table;
Do I believe aliens have or still do visit this earth, yes, yes I do.
Do I believe that there are people who fabricate alien encounters for various reasons, yes, yes I do.
Do I believe there will be some sort of disclosure, yes, I do, but only when those aliens are ready for it to happen and not a moment sooner. Why would the aliens conduct themselves in secret and not wish disclosure prior to and up to that moment? I’ll explain that in a moment.

Will they bring us hope, salvation, spirituality, etc? No, and neither would we take such a thing to another planet. There may be a scientific exchange of some kind but it would be limited.

Think about what we would do if the roles were reversed. If we were to visit another world, would we willingly supply a technical advantage to one government faction over another? No, we could not in good conscience allow ourselves to become involved in their disputes, but we would continue with our research and ignore their plights. Once they could become advanced enough to accept our existence without attempting to use our technology to kill each other, we could then make a spectacle of contacting their world in an official manner.

If we keep this logic in mind, we can understand that we are not ready for the aliens who visit us to announce their presence as we still fight and kill each other over invisible lines on the ground and which holidays to celebrate in December. When you really think about it, we cannot even accept our own legitimately elected officials, let alone officials from other countries. Is it any wonder that someone from another world would feel that the earth is not ready for disclosure?


[edit on 11/15/2008 by eaganthorn]

...laying a few more cards on the table as to where I'm coming from with much of what I post around this topic:

I'll try to keep it as brief as possible, don't wish to turn this into a novel.

I'm a New Zealander. Born and bred here. Grew up for the most part in a small town. Youngest of four children. My parents are still living, retired now, but come from strong teaching/education/nursing/healing backgrounds and careers.

I am also Maori (you may wish to Google that for more info). Maori is the ethnic culture I am from. In many ways Maori have similarities with Native American Indians in how we perceive the world, life, existance, spirituality, land and our interrelationships and connections with all things.
So it was the Maori culture and context I grew up in, learnt and thus formulated much of my own mindset based upon/influenced by.

I've heard/read it many times that Maori are referred to as a 'spiritual people'. I personally agree with that. Many of our healing methods and approachs to what may trouble us are spiritually based, medicenes and the like are traditionally natural - gathered and prepared from what the land/sea itself provides us.

Spirits, ghosts, whatever you choose to call them, things that go bump in the night...all that woo-woo stuff is something not at all uncommon to us. Certainly not to my family.

My mother is seen by many as a Healer. She would of course NEVER claim such...as is the way...a saying/rule within our people: "Me mahia i te ngakau mahaki" ("Work with a humble heart")
She is an immediate descendent of a lineage of recognised (within Maoridom) Healers. She volunteers her time now to helping within a Healing Group where her and Dad live. She is one who hears things, sees things, 'receives and passes on messages for/to people', all that...just as others within my family/lineage do/have done.

My father also is a descendent of seers, hearers, Healers...both Spiritual Healers and Healers who utilised our natural medicenes we term Rongoa (again perhaps Google that word).
Many within my family and extended family have *spiritual* perspectives and experiences. So yes - perhaps elements of the 'paranormal' could see seen as quite 'normal' within my family/lineage.

Our word for spiritual healers is 'Tohunga Wairua', for medicene based healers (though there is often spiritual crossovers) is 'Tohunga Rongoa/Wairakau'...Tohunga might be seen as similar to 'Shaman' in other cultures.
Within my lineage are also elements referred to as 'Tohunga Makutu' - or those who were considered skilled practioners in the darker/negative realms of curses/afflictions and the like.

These *visitations* are also not uncommon within my lineage, nor within the Maori cultural concept. We may have different perspectives/understandings of what they are though based upon our culture.

We refer to them as 'Kehua'...as spirits, malicious in nature, that for whatever reason essentially plague the living or specific lineages. Under the *umbrella* of that term Kehua are I guess 'sub-sets' of Kehua with different names, different forms, different possible roles.
Another term we have for another type of entity is Ngangara. Ngangara are lizards, Skinks etc in one usage of the word...but Ngangara in the *spiritual* usage refers to 'attachment entities'...things seen to latch on to people, to influence, drain, effect them etc. They are described by some as being in the form of a Lizard - which varies in size, colour, intent.

I've spoken with many different people, Tohunga etc over many years about these things. Kehua, Ngangara and associated entities. I've asked some of those I've spoken with who are said to be able to see those entities to describe them, to even sketch them for me.
What descriptions I've received and sketches I've seen...well...they bear striking similarities to the more modern depictions of various possible Alien entities found in various books etc. Your stereotypical Greys and Reps.

From our cultural perspective these entities are seen as Ancient. As spiritual. Something that has existed through the ages. Also as part of our cultural perspective we have Kaitiaki (again, Google is your friend) which are seen as the *Good/Light/Insert your preferred term here* entities, Gaurdians, Protectors and such.

WHY do these things seem more prevalent within specific lineages? Well again this is from a cultural perspective deeply rooted within a spiritual base:
My own opinion, and one based within cultural understandings, is that there is Good and there is Evil/Bad, Light and Dark, whatever again you choose to refer to that 'balance' that flows throughout all things. I also believe - as does our culture - that the balance between those two polars waxes and wanes, almost a battle of sorts that has happened from the first tick of the clock.

How we deal with those *visitations* is centred upon restoration of balance - and/or bolstering the 'weighting' of one side (principally the Good side of course). We do this via what we term karakia (which VERY loosely translates I guess to 'prayer'), various encantations, objects placed in specific areas, rituals etc. These interventions of sorts are principally spiritual in nature, spiritually focussed.
It may also include what may be seen by other cultural understandings as 'karmic restoration'...or atonement for any wrongdoings that not only you yourself may have done, but also other people within your lineage may have done.

Thats the way these things have traditionally been handled within Maoridom.

So again WHY certain lineages?
Well - a bit like one of my initial replies about the truck mirror, about 'being on their radar if they are on yours' (whomever 'they' are of course). IF perhaps you and/or your lineage seems to have a propensity to 'sense/detect/whatever' possible spiritual entities...and IF these things are spiritual in nature...then maybe thats the case - you experience them because you *pick them up* on your *radar*.

Lets just keep rolling a bit with the supposition of Good Vs Evil, Light Vs Dark etc...

...IF that is the case...then maybe there is a possibility that its also about destabalising that Balance.
Its been my own experience that its those who see, hear, heal that function as restorers of Balance to people/places. They are also the ones who have experienced *visitations* (again our Cultural understandings of those). Their preception is that those negative visitations are about knocking them off centre, about manipulating their actions, about destabalising them and so impacting upon their *ability* to restore balance.

IF there is some form of conflict happening between the polars of Good and Bad, Light and Dark, whatever...then perhaps its about messing with the 'soldiers', the 'workers' or possible future workers whom may become a 'thorn in the side'...

...another possibility I'll throw out there, again its just a thought, no proof, just tossing around ideas: IF there was a conflict...when I'd personally see it as prudent to a)reduce the effectiveness of those who either fight against you, or may fight against you...b)bolster your own backers/troops...or...c)actually TURN those who may be against you over to your own side...


Anyhoo...I'll no doubt give some more input later. Apologies, gotta head out to watch a dance performance by one of the nephews.

Thanks again everyone for your input...its certainly appreciated.


Peace.

Hi. I have some views on all I've read here.

Alien said:

What was also interesting was the manner in which they told me this story. My friends mother and grandmother in particular are quite *animated* and expressive people when they speak - and yet as they told me about having seen this object they were almost emotionless...blunted affect...almost like they were simply mentioning the weather. Once they had completed telling me about it they returned back to their usual animated selves. Very wierd indeed.

Aint that a shame, because in an emotion filled world, the heiarchy is programmed to hear and react to emotion filled content. Which means....when 'we' speak--their not.
Yet from the experiencers point of view, maybe we are taught to remain 'calm' when exporting information (Exporting, gawd that sounds sooo robot, srry.) :-)
That matter of fact = matter of fact.


EldersCouncil said:

If aliens or external entities were a part of their first 4 years of development then the initial screen memories would need to be implanted at this point in time. If parents or siblings were abducted then the child by default becomes part of the program. If friends or family members are visiting during abduction they may very well suddenly be included.

Frequency of abduction may be tied into the ability to recall events or whether a screen memory is able to hold without further reinforcement.

I find this take a very interesting one. Though applied with a twist to my situation. We flew to where we were visiting of our own accord then- it would not always be so for me later. However:
Implantation of/covering of information: age approx 4


H3akalee said:

Why do they protect us from death ?

I believe after a recent self introspect to past instances over the years--because they are watching or recieve a unidentified panic message of some sort. Maybe from a biology monitor, implant, ect.

lightchild said:

I think that the people who are abducted are related to the Neanderthals.

I don't not agree with this... Neanderthal lines are indeed very very special. I can 'hear' a neanterthal in the woods. I can "think' his/her presence. I can 'smell' when they are nearby. They must be telling me. All I want to do is leave. I can't say I've never seen one. I can say I've never had a conversation with one and I respect their domains if I feel I have crossed into one, in a very thankyou for not killing me, mind if I get out of here fast, nice to meet you, sort of way.

I personally tend more to have a sasquatch belief about them-Neanderthals- personally, even though I have been seeing their phsyical structure in regular indivduals forever-that is what my head says. That Sassquatch is a later branch of Neanderthal, as much as human Neanderthals are. But, it's a huge diversely huge universe, I wouldn't discount their guardianship extends to ufo topics. I myself never saw a great many hairy creature flying the skies. Nevermind the confusion of real life meets a persons attempt at fictionizing it in movies such as star wars.

It is amazing science up until the last decades actually pushed an evolution model while disclaiming the instance of the Neanderthal-the strongest-as extinct.

I believe they have terran duties sympathetic to mythical beasts-in a real way.
What you said to the effect of 'let me put this out there but dont quote me as having a fighting opinion of it'--here too.

EldersCouncil said:

You said you stopped moving basically put yourself in a suspended wait and see mode. Although there must have been apprehension you maintained a "there is nothing I can do about this mental state"

EldersCouncil, I know this was addressed to another forum member, but I've been in this instance many many times.
It is a very useful survival technique-to suspend animation as much as possible. It keeps the cop from 'thinking he saw a gun', so to speak. For the most part when your completely helpless to do anything and you are in an instance where a wrong breathe might result in an unknown and thereby "likely" negative action-it is just best, as a sign of respect (and trust/worthyness) to just.......nothing. I've never heard it from another point of view. This is fantastic, though, strange.


Plumranch said:

A. There are many, many alien species, groups, aliences and etc...

B. The reason is that one ET group is responsible for that family...

C. The soul group of the family and the ETs are probably related also...

A. Yes there are. Animals too, though, not so much diversity have I seen as here. Humans. Outposts. Purple things. I don't really remember.

B. This I find curious, in introspect. I've been thinking back to my first family's travels and then to the travels of my adoptee family during the cold war. I gravitate towards the alien/s of my first families travels/ambassadorship. Yet, they are of a wider aquaintenship of my later slave families participation, and even still other races. Still always, my heart calls to the first, and to those in the second who saw what a mess I was in--and did something noteworthy on my behalf.

C. Soul group relation to ET: this is interesting. Not only did I observe aliens born of human, but I wonder if I remember my own. I can't say-wouldn't say as a solid knowledge; but I think 'a little' about the what if's. I did learn at one point that both of my (who I understood as being) my birth parents families were involved in ambassadorship/alliance with aliens-abiet diffferent species; which garners the futher self-outer introspection of hybred/mulatto politics. For instance, so for who do I align to if for instance my parent groups were from two different ambassadorship programs? European stuff, really.

X-tal_Phusion said:

One of my earliest memories involves a black and white patterned room that seemed to cave in as I approached the corner (the room shrank around me as I tried to reach a tiny door that was placed there

My (-) E.T. thought it was great fun to trapse through the worlds portals, amoung other things. Believe it or not, I won't force it. In san franscisco at the pier festival warehouses, there was the neatest most rational looking Alice in Wonderland booth, complete with a staged smaller room.

[edit on 16-11-2008 by HugmyRek]

sorry for the doule post but i wante to add something while it was fresh on my mind to see what your thoughts on this would be:

A child from 1-4 years old is not tampered with and if experiencing abductions sees it as something wonderful

@ about 4 years old the first screen memories are induced and the child experience the first fear and fight impulse associated to his abductors.

If the child recovers quickly from the experiences he suddenly find himself or herself in a school type situation

@ about 10-12 years old something happens and full fear and fight kicks in and last thru til they are in their late teens or early 20's.

they are left alone for a period of time and then somewhere between 25-30 years old they get a final meeting until they hit their 40's.

how does this timeline look vs. your experiences or your knowledge of the abduction phenomenon.

Would it be possble for the posters here who have contact experience or know of someone to list traits or even gifts they may have such as precognative dreaming, blood type (something I think is very important), longevity in the family, government or military connections, anything that stands out as unique.

If we could find a few common denominators we may get close to answers. A brief bio of the contibutors on this thread may spark with another person.

Originally posted by Witness2008
Would it be possble for the posters here who have contact experience... to list traits or even gifts they may have such as precognitive dreaming, blood type, longevity, government or military connections, anything that stands out as unique.

Mine would be government or military connections as per my previous post. Though my Mom would say it is our psychic abilities (which I have not yet learned to use, if I have them at all) and our lack of fear of aliens.

Originally posted by QueenofWeird
I have no idea of aliens are here and I have no idea what it is that abductees have actually experienced.

Yet I do know this. Since I am more and more leaning into the notion that UFO's are man made (for what ever purpose) I am not anymore afraid of pictures of Greys. When I was a teenager I first saw a picture of a Grey, I think it was the one on the cover of Communion. It scared the hell out of me. For years I was fearfull that I would wake up at night finding them standing at my bed and staring at me. The movie Fire in the Sky which I saw on tv years ago also scared me very very much even though I think no aliens were in it (but those fluid filled sacks with people in it.....brrrr).

When I see a picture of a Grey now I see nothing more than just a drawing. Sometimes it reminds me of a wrinkled newborn. One of my cats had to go under anesthetia and when he was back home with me, his eyes were very strange and black (due ot the remnants of the anesthetic). It reminded me immediately of the eyes of Greys. It sort of scared me a bit, because it looked very unnatural but I understood that it would soon go away.

I had written this because of people stating how strongly they react to pictures of Greys.

So.....this night I woke up because one of my cats was making very very strange sounds. I have heard him make similar, less agitated sounds, when he is irratated/upset. Anyway, as I was half awake half asleep I remembered the dream I had been dreaming. It was about a Grey! He was actually more brownish. His face was not smooth, yet bumpy and his much smaller, yet slanted eyes were emerald green! He was small but I can't remember anything about his body, as if I was standing very close to him. He was totally non threatening and his whole attitude was: Here I am, yes I am real. Convinced? He was silent and next to him there was this taller Grey but he looked sketchy.

This morning when I woke up, I felt very sick and nauseated. Strange.

Mind you, I as far as I know have NEVER, repeat NEVER, dreamed about aliens in general and Greys in particular! He if real is welcome to come back to me in my dreams.


[edit on 16-11-2008 by QueenofWeird]

Alien, I am enjoying reading your posts here.

My opinion on the reasons for abductions to specific people/families is not so much the DNA group but the soul group you are from. DNA is here today and gone tomorrow. Your soul is eternal and as such remains the same since time began give or take a few soul lessons along the way.

The Greys test your soul throughout the years. They test if you are honest and whether you would pull the trigger and kill etc etc.

I do not believe they abduct people for DNA/genetic material for the sake of scientific study. I think they like to make hybrids/clones and use the dna for their own purposes.

Alien, I like your idea about certain people who heal or anchor people or places. That has a ring about it as again it is a soul group.



Alien, the experience with your friend is not good. Was there missing time involved? One night when I felt/heard aliens on the stairs coming to get me, I tried to wake my husband and shook him but he was cold to the touch and they had already taken him astrally. There was noone *home* in his body. I feel that aliens sent your friend to the toilet and abudcted your friend astrally and didn't return him for a while at which time he heated up. Did he feel cold and clammy? Was he acting weird up to the point he heated up? They can put a dopelganger into his body while he is elsewhere.

Your friend is possibly spiritually powerful and will need to get spiritual protection if this is the case.

Originally posted by Witness2008
Would it be possible for the posters here who have contact experience or know of someone to list traits or even gifts they may have such as precognitive dreaming, blood type (something I think is very important), longevity in the family, government or military connections, anything that stands out as unique.

1) Precognitive Dreams/Deja Vu Yes (mother & myself)
2) Blood Type Unknown (mother is A+)
3) Family Longevity Yes (mother's side)
4) Government/Military Connections Yes-both (both sides of the family; my father is a federal employee, brother served in the military, & uncle was a federal contractor for NASA and affiliated with other aerospace groups)
5) Anything else Yes
- everyone in the family has IQs in excess of 140 and most of us hit most of the sub-test ceilings)
- We are multi-racial (Ojibwe on father's side)
- Language acquisition/mathematical ability (very swift for all of us; I began talking at 3 months of age (self-taught foreign languages) and most of us have no need for calculators); spatial ability is off the charts in most cases.
- Spirituality: None of us attended church or participated in organized religion of any sort. The world was explained to us in scientific terms (growing up).
- Photographic memory (father/brother)
- Immense creativity (just about everyone)
- "Powers of Persuasion" (father, brother, & I; my first job involved working with long-term care patients in a hospital as an assistant rec. therapist. If people did not want to participate, I would find a way to make it "their idea" to change their minds and come anyway).

[edit on 16-11-2008 by X-tal_Phusion]