100 SKILLS we ALL need to know...

Originally posted by ConfederateAdam
How about something usefull, like gutting a deer, hooking a fish, start a fire with no matches or lighter, building a snow shelter, making a noose... Something we might actually need in the near future, real survival techniques.

making a noose...??? Sorry to ask. How would it help with:

Something we might actually need in the near future, real survival techniques.

Originally posted by gordonwest


making a noose...??? Sorry to ask. How would it help with:

Something we might actually need in the near future, real survival techniques.

Nooses are used in snares, as in trapping food.

reply to post by clay2 baraka


HaHa. Sorry. I got the wrong idea...I thought it ment something else.

That is the daftest thing I have read on this forum, The Forum itself is called SURVIVAL, the topic is 100 skills we need to survive, and the list you quote are basic survival skills.

Northern Rider -

Incorrect on all accounts Hun - NO WHERE have I said anything about 'survival'.

It certainly IS NOT in the thread's title as you claim above.

Lastly - NO WHERE do I post survival skills or even romance the idea of that concept/topic. Not of any interest to me.

EVERY post I have made has made it clear this has NOTHING to do with survival - at all - in the least.

This thread is AWESOME - classic even! A great study into the sociology of the male and female gender roles - if nothing else. I really appreciate EVERYONE'S post!

EDIT:

I thought of another very basic skill we all should know:

Difference between a phillips head and flat head screw driver. This to many seems like common sense but I assure you - its not. Ask your buddys to hand you a phillips - GOOD LUCK.

Dont let that be you or your kid/s!

[edit on 24-11-2008 by Little One]

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If this has absolutely nothing to do with survival then why did you post it in survival? Why not put it in BTS? You don't seem to wanna understand this. It isn't that your thread lacks merit, it's that it has a purpose obviously intended for something other than survival, and you can't seem to be fair to people who have been misled by a thread like this in a SURVIVAL forum.

Never did I say anything about killing your nieghbors. Survival is survival. I was making a list of things people have had to do and will have to do to survive. This thread is also based on the idea that the economy will allow for you to do anything other than subsist on meager means, can't save money if there is no money.


More than once you have turned this into a guys vs. gals sort of thing which is just distasteful. At this point you should know that ATS is full of very capable men and women and being patronized for ones' sex is not a good feeling, for men or women. Can you do any of the stuff you listed? I can complete mine and I assure you, should the SHTF, I won't be the one standing around wondering what to do next. Which is what the survival forum is all about.

Otherwise threads like these it should be placed in some sort of domestic forum.

If you want a sociology experiment in gender roles try asking yourself what your motivation is to assigning roles in your mind and then trying to get people to play along with an uncontrolled experiment. It's not very scientific if your experiment is out in the open. Good controlled science experiments are blind.


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[edit on 24-11-2008 by projectvxn]

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Why don't you do yourself and everyone else a favor and let the moderators worry about where this thread shoud be posted. If you don't like it don't read it anymore. No harm no foul.

There are several good skills listed there in the original post. Don't get your panties in a bunch over the ones you don't agree with.

If you had paid attention the op had the list broken down into catagories.
Only one was called Survival with ony three skills listed:

Survival
57. Build a fire in the wilderness
58. Build a shelter
59. Find potable water

These are great skills to know. I have had to use all three at one time or another in a survival situation. I fell thru the ice while hunting, several days from help and had to use skill # 57 & 58.

My suggestion is to try to ignore the ones you dont like. Try to be a "glass is half full" instead of the "Glass is half empty" type.



[edit on 24-11-2008 by Sparky63]

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It was a reply to a post directed at me. Not about the content of the thread which I made clear in my last post. I'm not concerned with doing the job of a mod, only trying to figure out why adding my list of survival priorities was met with name calling and defensive behavior.

Don't get too concerned about telling others what to do and what issues to address. And try not to get into the habit of assuming you know what my motivations are.

Originally posted by Little One

True Perhaps - if this thread was about 'SURVIVAL'. But it isnt.

Its about fending for yourself - by yourself - without having to call in help. Thereby standing on your own and saving thousands and thousands over the course of a life time.



You seem to be completely missing the point here.

Survival isn't just about surviving some hypothetic apocalyptic scenario.

You say that this isn't survivalism, it's about fending for yourself - by yourself - without having to call in help. Survivalism all about fending for yourself - by yourslf - without having to call in help. The situation doesn't matter, whether it is the 'end of the world' scenario which you seem quite keen on repeating, or whether it's becoming stranded in bad weather or dealing with a housefire.

Survivalism isn't just about the big scenarios, it applies equally to the more mundane situations.

The essence of survivalism is self-sufficiency and preparedness.

Why you would post this in the Survival forum and then claim it is nothing to do with survival is mind boggling.

CS

[edit on 25-11-2008 by CallSign]

Tell it to the mods? I cant very well move the thread myself now can I? Yet Im being asked too LOL.

EGO spawned!

They can move this - should they see fit. It doesnt matter to me if this thread is moved at all. Thats up to the higher-ups here. Its not up to any of you and certainly not up to me. I havent the power to move a thread. YALL KNOW THIS. So why are you acting as if I do?

If you dont enjoy my thread - I would suggest you stop visiting it - if it upsets you.

Tones are important - thereby making a mockery of yourself and your posts as it come across with a tone. A defensive tone. The men are on the defense - BIG TIME. And I want to know why?

Should we all wipe ours out - slam in on the table and measure 'them' so we can feel a bit better? I mean - come on! lol

If the mods see fit - please by all means and with all due respect - move the thread. Otherwise - members - post about something else except the location of the thread. That horse is beat to death.

I dont care where the thread is. Im simply enjoying it for what it is - not WHERE it is.

But in response - I'll quote Freeman Teague Jr. and take the high road as I always do:

"Nothing is so simple that it cannot be misunderstood."

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Skill 101: Flame Retardant Suit

A must skill in case 'she' turns on you.



[edit on 25-11-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]

Lucid! Right?

Like your sense of humor.

I was cleaning the pool and got so hot I got pure sicky feeling.

As I was working - a few more 'skills' came to mind that we should all try to make sure we - and our child/ren are familiar with!

Assertiveness:

Never let anyone push you around. Fight for whats right - stand on principle - do not be afraid of a person - EVER! (They are only people, not monsters. People may beat you but they will not eat you. Therefore - short of a gun - take them out first.

Public Speaking: We should ALL be 'OK' with the idea of getting up in front of a group and speaking because at some point we will all have to. This is assuming you ever plan on getting any kind of real job - to get married - speak about a loved one at their service - ect. We should all be able to demonstrate the proper way to do this in the presence of our child/ren - so they may too be comfortable with public speaking. To me - this is of the utmost importance next too...

Communication: So - so many people have no clue how to speak English correctly. In fact - statistics show that people from other lands DO speak English correctly - however - very few English speaking individuals speak the language in the way it should be spoken. What I see most - next to grammatical and spelling errors would - hands down be poor subject/verb agreement. (Where IS my keys? CORRECT: Where ARE my keys - as the subject 'keys' is plural)

Next would be ending sentences with prepositions. Basically the rule I follow is: You cant end a sentence with anything that you can do to a cloud with an airplane LOL. fly IN fly OUT fly DOWN and most often seen fly AT. Where are the Keys at? CORRECT: Where are the keys? Cant end a sentence with a preposition but we do that a lot.

I make my kids speak correctly in the home because then its second nature when they're out.

These are all skills we get lazy about or plain ol' forget. But we cant! Unless we want our knuckles scrubbing the ground again!

Hopefully by listing these skills - not only did it help me analyze where I am but it may help someone else at work - home - socially. Who Knows!?

Time Management:
Teach your kids to be 10 minutes early for EVERYTHING! But first - we have to make sure we can pull it off. Im always 10 minutes early or I FREAK out. I consider myself late at that point.

Lets learn excellent time management - thereby having more time for ourselves - our lovers - our friends and doing things that we enjoy! Then we make sure our kid/s know what we do.

EDIT

Organization:
CRUCIAL! Plan your work and work your plan. Dont let anything get you off track until mission accomplished!

Well I've cooled off so back to work. Hope these skills make your life a little easier and time with your loved ones a little more! Thank yall for your replies - I really appreciate it.

[edit on 25-11-2008 by Little One]

Little one,
If I may add a couple of thoughts.
Communications is a two way street. Your right ,the one initiating the conversation or point has an obligation to be clear but more important than good grammer, or punctuation, is making yourself understood.
At the same time the listener has a role in communication as well. They must understand the point or subject matter being discussed. If they do not understand they should ask for clarification, where upon the originator, providing they still intend to communicate, should consider how best to rephrase for clarity or more precisely, rephrase to be understood.
Only when these simple basics are used does communication happen, otherwise it's just noise.
Second thought,
" Plan your work and work your plan" fits well on bumperstickers, and is a catchy slogan for motivational seminars, but falls short of effective planning.
I learned the hard way that it's always best to have several plans. Your primary plan, and a couple of contigency plans that will accomplish the same thing although by slightly different methods.
If one plans fails, and they have no contigency plan, they are finished and fail to achieve the objective.
Just out of curiosity, since this is according to you a gender based study, I'm curious where I fall in the group. LOL

Ha! Thanks for the info! I've been meaning to become more survival-friendly and learn all the bare basics know-how..

I mean, i'm completely hopeless but there are maaany things on such a list that i should learn how to do.

I'll get to work then!

[edit on 25/11/08 by pretty_vacant]

Originally posted by 1ShotDeal
Little one,

" Plan your work and work your plan" fits well on bumperstickers, and is a catchy slogan for motivational seminars, but falls short of effective planning.
I learned the hard way that it's always best to have several plans. Your primary plan, and a couple of contigency plans that will accomplish the same thing although by slightly different methods.
If one plans fails, and they have no contigency plan, they are finished and fail to achieve the objective.

Very well said and I agree 100%. I covered this earlier with being ten minutes early for everything - ASSUMING anyone would realize that in order to be confident in that task - one must have multiple plans.

I am learning though many need things spelled out a bit more and I sincerely will try to do that. My posts are HUGE - as I am verbose. So I dont add anything short of the guts of what Im trying to say. Only offering examples when I find it absolutely needed helps me keep my posts shorter.

Pretty_vacant (cute nick!)

Go get em girl! Please feel free to PM me with any questions no matter how big or small and I will certainly help you - assuming I can. If I cant - Ill find someone whom can!

Great thread folks! Its kept me entertained for days and has taught me a lot about the al'mighty - ugly - hideous - light deflecting thing known as: EGO. No man (or woman) can enjoy both ego AND enlightenment. To enjoy one - we MUST destroy the other! One cannot possess both ego and enlightenment. I lack and and all ego - thus I never felt defensive on this thread or attacked in any way. I simply pushed forward with what was given to me.

So no this isnt a study on men performing tasks and women not being able to (or vice versa - of course). Its more of a study in the attitudes and defensiveness males tend to have toward women that are self - sufficient. However - in all fairness - its not a 'study' in the true sense - period. A demonstration perhaps but not a study - per say.

Men 'say' they love that in a woman - her being self-siffcient. However, from what I have seen here AND MOST IMPORTANTLY life experiences allows me to conclude: very few can men can actually handle it. What I mean is: A self-sufficient woman threatens a mans EGO. As demonstrated very well here in this thread.

I really appreciate everyone's input. Many say they learned something so for that Im proud of both them and us. I just woke - got to go do a shoot but should be back before too long. See y'all then!

Love, Peace and Understanding,

Little one,
We could start another whole thead dedicated to the psychology and sociology of survival so I'll try not to detract from your original thread.
While I agree that most men feel thier gender roll threatened by a strong or self sufficient woman, I hesitate to generalize.
For myself ( based on several failed attempts) I can not stay with a woman who is not at least my equal. She doesn't have to be my equal in earnings or upperbody strength, But I do want her to be as strong in her identity, her convictions, and her independence.
I think in some cases, both men and women settle before they find what they are actualy looking for.
For my part, I have found that men will be as good or as bad as the women in thier life require them to be. Most women want a gentelman, but few require a man to be a gentelman .
Men on the otherhand will rise to whatever level they need to to attract whomever they want.
I agree that ego plays an important part in as much as a weak ego will not want to be challenged, and a weak ego or low self esteem, will cause some to settle for less than thier ideals.
For those who think this too is not applicable to a survival situation, I would suggest you think about the dynamics of group interactions before forming a group of" like minded" people to bet your personal survival on.
Any group is only as strong as it's weakest link, and our psychology and social interactions are very much a part of a sucessful interaction in group dynamics.
Little one, perhaps self censoring , even in the pursuit of brevity, is not the best way to go. For myself, I enjoy your posts, and sense a very strong person behind your font.
While I do find some redeeming qualities in the minimalist ideals, I for one am more interested in the quality of your thoughts rather than the abridged version.

They should teach survival at school, including how to get jobs and which areas of work they could specialise in and guide them. Also kids need to learn how to cook properly and wash clothes and how to change a nappy, which might put them off teenage sex for a bit.

Todays education teaches you facts but they don't teach you how to live in the real world.

Originally posted by The time lord
They should teach survival at school, including how to get jobs and which areas of work they could specialise in and guide them. Also kids need to learn how to cook properly and wash clothes and how to change a nappy, which might put them off teenage sex for a bit.

Todays education teaches you facts but they don't teach you how to live in the real world.

Excellent post! You rock! And Hell Yeah!

1shotdeal - when are you taking me out then? You Sir - sound strong enough to be my man!

I am only saying this because I feel failed by the whole education system, school leavers have trouble stacking shelves because they have not been taught common sense. They should teach real skills of the real world and bring back some of the education ideas of the 50s England. There is so many skills people should have but are clueless when they leave school, some are not qualified to look after them selves let alone get pregnant.

[edit on 27-11-2008 by The time lord]

I guess in my mind there are a lot more things that someone should know and this list is incomplete. While I understand that everyone will have their own opinion about things a normal person should know how to do, this list is just way too short. But great read. #17 was out there for me, I would much rather drink moonshine. To add I can do 99% of this list and for some reason I do not find it strange that I can do so.


I was watching cloverfield last night (for the first time) yes I know it has been out for awhile and not to go into a survival theme for this thread but I was completely appaled at these kids (which fault of the director) sense for survival. There is a scene in the subway when a lot of rats were all running the same way. Which to me would mean run the same direction. And when they all said they must be running from something, I thought they would start running too. Nope they just stood there waiting to see what they were running from.

But to go back this is how I believe most people would act in a survival situation. Most people are just lazy and would rather have McDonalds make their food, the Dealership fix their car and some hired person do all the yard, house, repair work so they don't miss their favorite TV show.

How to deliver a baby

how to kill some one with your hands

how to trap animals

how to treat poisoning

how to trade and barter with dangerous people

Learning to move in the dark will save your life , read the stars and moon cycles

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