Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America

Originally posted by Irish M1ck


Well... I'm waiting. Where is Obama's "Mein Kampf"?

[edit on 14-11-2008 by Irish M1ck]

You do know what Mein Kampf was right and there was 2 volumes written by Hitler. heres Obama's 3 volumes so far

The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream
By Barack Obama

Senator Obama calls for a different brand of politics--a politics for those weary of bitter partisanship and alienated by the "endless clash of armies" we see in Congress and on the campaign trail; a politics rooted in the faith, inclusiveness, and nobility of spirit at the heart of our democracy. He explores those forces--from the fear of losing, to the perpetual need to raise money, to the power of the media--that can stifle even the best-intentioned politician. He examines the growing economic insecurity of American families, the racial and religious tensions within the body politic, and the transnational threats--from terrorism to pandemic--that gather beyond our shores. And he grapples with the role that faith plays in a democracy. Only by returning to the principles that gave birth to our Constitution, he says, can Americans repair a broken political process, and restore to working order a government dangerously out of touch with millions of ordinary Americans.--From publisher description.

Barack Obama in His Own Words
By Barack Obama

Since delivering his keynote speech at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, Barack Obama has been hailed as the clear savior of not only the Democratic party, but of the integrity of American politics. Despite the fact that he burst onto the national scene seemingly overnight, his name recognition has grown by leaps and bounds ever since. Barack Obama in His Own Words, a book of quotes from the Illinois Senator, allows those who aren't as familiar with his politics to learn quickly where he stands on abortion, religion, AIDS, his critics, foreign policy, Iraq, the War on Terror, unemployment, gay marriage, and a host of other important issues facing America and the world.

Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance
By Barack Obama

In this lyrical, unsentimental, and compelling memoir, the son of a black African father and a white American mother searches for a workable meaning to his life as a black American. It begins in New York, where Barack Obama learns that his father--a figure he knows more as a myth than as a man--has been killed in a car accident. This sudden death inspires an emotional odyssey--first to a small town in Kansas, from which he retraces the migration of his mother's family to Hawaii, and then to Kenya, where he meets the African side of his family, confronts the bitter truth of his father's life, and at last reconciles his divided inheritance.

reply to post by Jenna


Well, I guess his biggest was Mein Kampf. When he first took office, I believe he seemed fairly normal. He was pretty intense though, I don't think he was every jocular - always serious.

I guess the biggest indicator would have been when he began to attack everyone. Also, the stripping away of basic human rights with Patriot Act-like legislation was a biggie.

reply to post by Mercenary2007


Right, but what that's missing is this:

Mein Kampf

The book is heavily influenced by Gustave Le Bon's 1895 The Crowd: A Study of the Popular Mind, which theorised propaganda as an adequate rational technique to control the seemingly irrational behaviour of crowds. (See also: Nazi Propaganda.) Particularly prominent is the violent anti-Semitism of Hitler and his associates. For example, Hitler claimed that the international language Esperanto was part of a Jewish plot and makes arguments toward the old German nationalist ideas of "Drang nach Osten" and the necessity to gain Lebensraum ("living space") eastwards (especially in Russia).

In Mein Kampf, Hitler uses the main thesis of "The Jewish peril", which speaks of an alleged Jewish conspiracy to gain world leadership. The narrative describes the process by which he became increasingly antisemitic and militaristic, especially during his years in Vienna, Austria. Yet the deeper origins of his antisemitism remain a mystery. He speaks of not having met a Jew until he arrived in Vienna, and that at first his attitude was liberal and tolerant. When he first encountered the anti-Semitic press, he says, he dismissed it as unworthy of serious consideration. A little later and quite suddenly, he accepted the same anti-Semitic views whole-heartedly, and they became crucial in his programme of national reconstruction. It was Zionism, which he calls a "great movement" in Mein Kampf, which he says settled his view (as theirs) that one cannot be both a German and a Jew.

Mein Kampf has also been studied as a work on political theory. For example, Hitler announces his hatred of what he believed to be the world's twin evils: Communism and Judaism. The new territory that Germany needed to obtain would properly nurture the "historic destiny" of the German people; this goal explains why Hitler invaded Europe, both East and West, before he launched his attack against Russia. Laying Germany's chief ills on the parliament of the Weimar Republic, he announces that he wants to completely destroy that type of government.

Mein Kampf has additionally been examined as a book on foreign policy. For example, Hitler predicts the stages of Germany's political emergence on the world scene: in the first stage, Germany would, through a program of massive re-armament, overthrow the shackles of the Treaty of Versailles and form alliances with the British Empire and Fascist Italy. The second stage would feature wars against France and her allies in Eastern Europe by the combined forces of Germany, Britain and Italy. The third and final stage would be a war to destroy what Hitler saw as the "Judeo-Bolshevik" regime in the Soviet Union that would give Germany the necessary Lebensraum. German historian Andreas Hillgruber labeled the plans contained in Mein Kampf as Hitler's "Stufenplan" ("stage-by-stage plan"). The term "Stufenplan" has been widely used by historians, though it must be noted that the term was Hillgruber's, not Hitler's.

Mein Kampf makes clear Hitler's racist worldview, in which humans are to be classified based on ancestry. Hitler asserts that German "Aryans" are at the top of the hierarchy while Jews, Gypsies and Negroes are consigned to the bottom of the order. Hitler goes on to say that dominated peoples benefit by learning from the superior Aryans. Hitler further claimed that the Jews were conspiring to keep this "master race" from rightfully ruling the world by diluting its racial and cultural purity and by convincing the Aryans to believe in equality rather than superiority and inferiority. He described the struggle for world domination as an ongoing racial, cultural and political battle between Aryans and non-Aryans.

In 1928, Hitler went on to write a second book in which he expanded upon these ideas and suggested that around 1980, a final struggle would take place for world domination between the United States, the combined forces of "Greater Germany" and the British Empire (read more about this sequel below).

Wikipedia isn't perfect, but it's easy and it usually gets the gist across.

[edit on 15-11-2008 by Irish M1ck]

Originally posted by ZindoDoone
reply to post by Mercenary2007

 

He also had one hell of a drug addiction. Albert Speer has written that his Dr. was continualy injecting him with stimulants and anti-depressants as well as pain medication in the last three years of the war do to the injuries he suffered in the three assasination attempts he lived through! Anyone who has indulged in drugs of any kind can tell you that your thought process isn't up to snuff when under the influence of high doses of any drugs!

Zindo

I lumped the drug addiction in with disease since i feel that is what drug addiction is,

Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by Mercenary2007

 

Good post overall. I do, however, disagree about the mad man part. I believe, personally, he became a mad man while in prison, when he wrote Mein Kampf.

He was engulfed in a conspiracy that Jews controlled everything, etc. If Hitler were alive today, he'd post on a site like this.

Honestly when he became a madman is up to any ones opinion. and there definition of madman.

and as to the difference between Hitlers version of Mein Kampf and Obama's version

Do you honestly Believe that people have not learned from Hitler. If you release anything that even smells of Mein Kampf People will automatically jump all over you.

Mein Kampf It combines elements of autobiography with an exposition of Hitler's National Socialist political ideology. i know you saw that at the very top of the page of your source!

Now granted i haven't read any of Obamas books, but just by the descriptions given buy the publisher, and Obamas public speeches one could argue those 3 books are Obama's Mein Kampf

Edit: speeling



[edit on 11/15/2008 by Mercenary2007]

reply to post by Jenna


More on the article you had me read...

Both Hitler and Obama used their books as a springboard to further their political careers.

And while he/she brings up that Obama and Hitler both have autobiographies, he/she fails at making any good attempt at connecting the themes of the book.

Hitler was already forming ideas about the Jews and the need to get rid of them when Mein Kampf was written.

1. Having an exaggerated sense of self-importance

The man is the President of the United States.

2. Being preoccupied with fantasies about success, power or beauty

Not even sure about this one.

3. Believing that you are special and can associate only with equally special people

That sounds more like the definition of a Prima donna.

4. Requiring constant admiration

Is any of this even provable?

5. Having a sense of entitlement

Don't we all?

6. Taking advantage of others

How?

7. Inability to recognize needs and feelings of others

Considering he got elected because he does that, I don't see this as valid at all.

8. Being envious of others

Aren't we all?

9. Behaving in an arrogant or haughty manner

Not sure what this refers to, but it is contradictory of the previous statement accusing him of being overly jealous. Kind of hard to be proud when you are too busy wishing you had or were something else.

At the time Hitler was rising to power after WWI, Germany had a bad reputation in the eyes of the world. The actions of the country were seen as an act of dishonesty, betrayal, treachery and a war crime. Hitler promised to correct this. Americans are also seen in similar ways for the way we justified and proceeded with an invasion of Iraq. Barack Obama has promised to correct this.

Coincidence. Not Obama's fault that Bush sucked at being president.

Most of this entire article are loose connections that could be tied to most politicians:

The financial contributions of private supporters enabled Hitler to fund his campaign. The same can be said of Obama, for he has collected record-breaking funds from private donors.

No #%$^? Really? Wow, that changes everything!

Hitler promised something to everyone, just as Obama is doing today.

OMG. STOP THE PRESSES. They are freaking politicians.

Hitler held extremely leftist ideals. Barack Obama has been called one of the most liberal Senators in Congress12.

Incorrect. Hitler was no where near a "liftist". See exterminating millions on the basis of religion.

Myth: Hitler was a leftist

Summary

Many conservatives accuse Hitler of being a leftist, on the grounds that his party was named "National Socialist." But socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production. In Nazi Germany, private capitalist individuals owned the means of production, and they in turn were frequently controlled by the Nazi party and state. True socialism does not advocate such economic dictatorship -- it can only be democratic. Hitler's other political beliefs place him almost always on the far right. He advocated racism over racial tolerance, eugenics over freedom of reproduction, merit over equality, competition over cooperation, power politics and militarism over pacifism, dictatorship over democracy, capitalism over Marxism, realism over idealism, nationalism over internationalism, exclusiveness over inclusiveness, common sense over theory or science, pragmatism over principle, and even held friendly relations with the Church, even though he was an atheist.



Argument

To most people, Hitler's beliefs belong to the extreme far right. For example, most conservatives believe in patriotism and a strong military; carry these beliefs far enough, and you arrive at Hitler's warring nationalism. This association has long been something of an embarrassment to the far right. To deflect such criticism, conservatives have recently launched a counter-attack, claiming that Hitler was a socialist, and therefore belongs to the political left, not the right.

The primary basis for this claim is that Hitler was a National Socialist. The word "National" evokes the state, and the word "Socialist" openly identifies itself as such.

However, there is no academic controversy over the status of this term: it was a misnomer. Misnomers are quite common in the history of political labels. Examples include the German Democratic Republic (which was neither) and Vladimir Zhirinovsky's "Liberal Democrat" party (which was also neither). The true question is not whether Hitler called his party "socialist," but whether or not it actually was.

In fact, socialism has never been tried at the national level anywhere in the world. This may surprise some people -- after all, wasn't the Soviet Union socialist? The answer is no. Many nations and political parties have called themselves "socialist," but none have actually tried socialism. To understand why, we should revisit a few basic political terms.

What about this?

“Obama is the hope of the entire world.” - Louis Farrakhan
“Hitler was a very great man.” - Louis Farrakhan

You consider this a good source even after reading this? This is evidence?

I think that last quote is enough to bury that article.

reply to post by Mercenary2007


The only similarity is that they are autobiographies and manifestos of sort. Other than that, Hitler's book is filled with irrational suspicion of others, hatred, and thoughts of openly controlling the masses.

Maybe Obama is a bit more subtle, but his book contains none of the above.

reply to post by Irish M1ck


Must have missed this part of Obama's book: My Lessons in Racism

That's an entire chapter from "Dreams of My Father" that was excerpted from his book. I would be hard pressed to read his "That's how white folks'll do ya" comments and think the man isn't racist. That's just me though.

Wait a minute! Since we are lucky to have the past to refer to, and there are already evident “warning signs”, which group of people does Obama hate already? He just can’t exterminate everybody can he? People better start making a list of endangered species if they want to prevent another holocaust. There’s a lot of saying what he’s gonna do but WHO is really in danger? That’s the most important to focus on IMH!

reply to post by Irish M1ck


i see Jenna beat me to it. Like i said i hadn't read Obamas Books yet.

I'm not saying Obama is the next Hitler but he could be. just as any president could have been the next Hitler. But Obama and Hitler have more similarities than anyother past president.

reply to post by ProfEmeritus
Naomi Wolf interviewed quite a few people who lived through Hitler's reign and in her book, The End of America she stated that under the Bush Administration particularly, we have come dangerously close to repeating this past mistake.

Remember anytime you discriminate or section off a people, Unemployed, homeless, Jewish, Fat, Homosexual, Pagan, Christian, Muslim, rich, poor, black, white, mentally challenged etc you are opening a Pandora's box of discrimination that eventually could be turned against either you or one of your family / friends given enough time and a "new administration".

To get a taste of Ms. Naomi's book here is a link. It's 47 minutes.

www.youtube.com...

I bought and read The End of America and it was worth every penny. I strongly suggest this book for everyone.

We must be ever vigilant against tyrany and this means really educating yourself as to what is going on. (Fox, CNN News and newspapers don't qualify).

Do you know the ten steps to a facsist society? The 10 steps are predictable and always follow a certain order. All dictators use these ten steps.

All presidents have "take liberty" here and there with the Constitution. Bush Jr. took "great liberties" and opened up a whole hosts of problems that could effect the power hold of future presidents. He "edited" the Constitution to such an extent giving future presidents ALOT more power then all other previous presidents combined. He purposely bypassed Congress (took power away from the due process of a democracy)concerning many issues. With 911 the American People were manipulated into accepting without questioning radical changes in the very fabric of our Constitution.

America became a country that used and condoned torture.

Those who do not pay heed to mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat these very same mistakes in the future.

Naomi Wolf was born in San Francisco in 1962. She was an undergraduate at Yale University and did her graduate work at New College, Oxford University as a Rhodes Scholar


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reply to post by Jenna

At least we're getting somewhere with you instead of beating about the bush like all the other posters. So he may have issues with whites.

reply to post by Irish M1ck


You lost me there for a second, that list of 9 things is about having a narcissistic disorder, which Hitler arguably had.

At the time he gained power, it wasn't Hitler's fault the world viewed Germany badly due to WWI. He gained power after the war, not before. So your point there isn't really valid.

Yes Obama raised a heck of a lot of money, and large part of it was from either unnamed donations or came from someone named Good Will. All after agreeing to restrict himself on donations and campaign spending.

The problem with Obama promising something to everyone is there is no way to give everyone what he has promised. And yeah, he's a politician but most don't promise something to every single group they usually leave a few out. But not Obama.

Hitler didn't exterminate anyone on the basis of religion, it was on the basis that the Jewish were an inferior race. Race being the operative word there.

I didn't say it was a great source, I even said that the rest of the site is questionable. But that does not change the fact that they did put some research into it to back up what they were claiming. You don't have to agree with the conclusions, but to dismiss it out of hand because you don't agree with them is a bit silly. And I'm not sure how them having two quotes from the same person about two different people condemns the whole article, but if you say so.

reply to post by Exv8densez


Umm.. Thank you? I think that was a compliment, right? Getting late here though, so won't be getting much else out of me till I get some much needed rest. I'll be back in the morning to answer what I'm sure will be a slew of posts.

reply to post by Jenna


Wow, that was extremely deceptive the way you posted that. Those weren't Obama's thoughts, that's what he said others around him were saying. And I don't doubt it considering the time in which he grew up.

Don't you think black people would be saying that about whites back then? I know I would be, Jesus.

You somehow missed this:

Everybody would chuckle, and my mind would run down a ledger of slights: the first boy, in seventh grade, who called me a coon; his tears of surprise (“Why’dya do that?”) when I gave him a bloody nose. The tennis pro who told me that I shouldn’t touch the schedule of matches pinned to the bulletin board because my colour might rub off; his thin-lipped, red-faced smile – “Can’t you take a joke?” – when I threatened to report him.

Afterwards, he repeated the phrase you quoted to show you the thoughts of why people thought that way. And of course, you missed this part:

Our rage at the white world needed no object, he seemed to be telling me, no independent confirmation; it could be switched on and off at our pleasure. Sometimes, after one of his performances, I would question his judgment, if not his sincerity. We weren’t living in the Jim Crow South, I would remind him. We weren’t consigned to some housing project in Harlem or the Bronx. We were in Hawaii.

It's brutally honest evaluation of his childhood. There is a difference between talking about his feelings growing up in as a childhood during times when racism was acceptable, and having paranoid delusions that whites (Jews) to this day are holding him down in some way.

Find me some stuff like this:

Quotes from Mein Kampf

The end is not only the end of the freedom of the peoples oppressed by the Jew, but also the end of this parasite upon the nations. After the death of his victim, the vampire sooner or later dies too [pp. 293-296].

Now begins the great last revolution. In gaining political power the Jew casts off the few cloaks that he still wears. The democratic peoples Jew becomes the blood-Jew and tyrant over peoples. In a few years he tries to exterminate the national intelligentsia and by robbing the peoples of their natural intellectual leadership makes them ripe for the slaves lot of permanent subjugation.

It's apples and oranges. You are comparing honest thoughts a man had during his childhood during times of racism. Can you honestly blame him for having those thoughts as a kid?

Originally posted by Jenna
You lost me there for a second, that list of 9 things is about having a narcissistic disorder, which Hitler arguably had.

And comparing them to Obama.

Originally posted by Jenna
At the time he gained power, it wasn't Hitler's fault the world viewed Germany badly due to WWI. He gained power after the war, not before. So your point there isn't really valid.

Sure it is. It's irrelevant in general. Neither of them had any power over how the world felt.

Originally posted by Jenna
Yes Obama raised a heck of a lot of money, and large part of it was from either unnamed donations or came from someone named Good Will. All after agreeing to restrict himself on donations and campaign spending.

Taking your post as fact... so?

Originally posted by Jenna
The problem with Obama promising something to everyone is there is no way to give everyone what he has promised. And yeah, he's a politician but most don't promise something to every single group they usually leave a few out. But not Obama.

Politicians always over-promise.

Originally posted by Jenna
Hitler didn't exterminate anyone on the basis of religion, it was on the basis that the Jewish were an inferior race. Race being the operative word there.

The Germans were a chosen race. Chosen by God.

Originally posted by Jenna
I didn't say it was a great source, I even said that the rest of the site is questionable. But that does not change the fact that they did put some research into it to back up what they were claiming. You don't have to agree with the conclusions, but to dismiss it out of hand because you don't agree with them is a bit silly. And I'm not sure how them having two quotes from the same person about two different people condemns the whole article, but if you say so.

Why? Because that quote summed it all up. I don't even care if the quotes are accurate, or in context... the fact that it was posted up when it's so obvious that it is meaningless is laughable.

You've never seen someone say something so dumb that it just discredits everything else. After I read that, I closed the page immediately. There no reason to even continue.

reply to post by Mercenary2007


Bush?

He tried to use nationalistic slogans to gain a following. A large part of his success was the "for us or against us" attitude. Patriotic or unpatriotic. Support the troops, etc. Those are Hitler-like.

The Patriot Act, after 9/11 for instance.

Then you have Muslims, a race that we could all target and dislike. A unifying distrust of others.

Add on the occupation of other countries...

That fits more of the 14 points of fascism.

4-0 Bush so far. In fact, I am intrigued no, so let's examine that again.:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism

Just went over that.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights

I don't even think this is arguable. Bush was clearly against the Geneva Conventions. He advocated torture.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause

Terrorists anyone?

4. Supremacy of the Military

That's all republicans though - for the most part.

7. Obsession with National Security

Patriot Act?

9. Corporate Power is Protected

Again, republicanism. Not his fault, but still a hit.



Now I left some out that are inbetween. Some might say I should have included. But even with that, it puts the score here:

14 Points of Fascism Score Board

Bush - 6 out of 14

Obama - 0 out of 14

reply to post by Jenna


Oops!
Oops! I see I better stop with that sarcasm of mine or it will get me in trouble.

As well as I respect the Op’s experience, I knew from the first paragraph that this thread was going to end up something like Obama being the new Hitler. And there’ve been a lot of beating about the bush but I just though it was interesting how nobody really ever dare to mention who should fear the next Hitler. It will be interesting to see which group the target is gonna be. Will it be a race thing again or will this new Hitler dare to eclipsed everything we’ve learn about the Natzi era?
Since we suspect and apprehend this future catastrophe, wouldn’t it be important to take some preemptive measures then?

TextComparing what life is like in the US today to what it was like in Germany in the 20's and 30's is like comparing an apple to a brick wall.

reply to post by neformore
Wrong, we came dangerously close very close.

I suggest you read Naomi Wolf's book, The End of America and Give Me Liberty and check out the ten fascist steps.

Einstein once said in a conversation to a friend that it was very evident to him Germany was headed in that direction and got out asap, however many people just didn't see it all coming until it was right on top of them and living in their false sense of security eventually meant their certain death.

Quote below taken from Naomi Wolf's Book, "The End of America".

Because Americans like me were born in freedom, we have a hard time even considering that it is possible for us to become as unfree - domestically - as many other nations. Because we no longer learn much about our rights or our system of government - the task of being aware of the constitution has been outsourced from citizens' ownership to being the domain of professionals such as lawyers and professors - we scarcely recognise the checks and balances that the founders put in place, even as they are being systematically dismantled. Because we don't learn much about European history, the setting up of a department of "homeland" security - remember who else was keen on the word "homeland" - didn't raise the alarm bells it might have.

It is my argument that, beneath our very noses, George Bush and his administration are using time-tested tactics to close down an open society. It is time for us to be willing to think the unthinkable - as the author and political journalist Joe Conason, has put it, that it can happen here. And that we are further along than we realise. Conason eloquently warned of the danger of American authoritarianism. I am arguing that we need also to look at the lessons of European and other kinds of fascism to understand the potential seriousness of the events we see unfolding in the US.

1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy
2. Create a gulag
3. Develop a thug caste
4. Set up an internal surveillance system
5. Harass citizens' groups
6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release
7. Target key individuals
8. Control the press
9. Dissent equals treason
10. Suspend the rule of law

www.endofamericamovie.com...

video.google.com...#

Before you start arguing I suggest you take the time and follow these links and get the free video.

The scary part is people like you actually don't see how close we came, how very close.


I remember driving to and from work, seeing all the hugh SUV's (4 out of 5) with their flags and bumper stickers "America love her or leave her". It was scary like time traveling back to Hitler's Germany. There is patriotism and that is good, this was something else, something darker almost like people were running around like brain washed drones.

Freedom and Liberty DO NOT COME FREE FOLKS. We need to be really well educated as to what our leaders are voting on. Are they voting for our interests? We need to DEMAND that our leaders work for us the people not the large American Corporations. We need to DEMAND our leaders are held accountable. "Bush pardon's himself". Why would he HAVE to do that if he didn't know he did something wrong? He got himself out of "being accountable" sounds like a dictator to me.

7:42 in the video above talks about Marshall Law in America.
9:15 Talks about a army (not American) answerable only to the President alone with a budget of 100 billion.

So many people out there will not take the time to educate themselves as to what is going on they sit back and will watch "Dancing with the Stars" or "American Idol" or read "Barbie Loves Kissing Ken" books.

EDUCATE YOURSELVES - KNOWING WHAT IS ACTUALLY GOING ON IS HALF THE BATTLE.

Get involved in your town meetings, go to freedom rallies, get involved in your freedom or that freedom will be taken from right under your nose and it will be your fault. Did you know if you have cable you can watch The Congress and Senate Proceedings. Too boring, well then kiss your freedoms goodbye because FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.

So many people think that "this could never happen in America" that is a sense of false security and many people do not look at what has happened in history AND LEARN. Laws were passed particularly during the last presidential administration that came very close to bringing about almost the same thing that happened in Germany.

I believe most American's take their freedom for granted and are just too lazy to really delve into what has been taking place.

Our country during this last administration has now condoned and practiced torture. YOU DON'T SEE THIS AS FACSIST?

THE WAR ON TERROR, HOMELAND SECURITY.

Now come on people out there for heaven's sake WAKE UP.


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reply to post by Irish M1ck


The man went to a racist church for heaven's sake. You honestly think he doesn't believe every bit that this Ray character and every bit that Rev. Wright had to say about us evil white folks? You don't go to a church for 20 years if you don't agree with what the preacher is saying. Go ahead and think he's not racist if it makes you feel better, but with all the racist crap he's been listening to for the last 20 years I do not for one second believe that he doesn't agree with it.

Hitler thought the blonde-haired, blue-eyed, whites were the chosen race not all Germans. Sure he thought they were chosen by God, but he didn't kill all those people over God he killed them because they weren't blonde-haired blue-eyed whites. He thought they were of an inferior race.

reply to post by Exv8densez


I didn't say Obama is the next Hitler nor did I say I believe he is. I said there are some similarities that I believe are worthy of discussion.