Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America

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posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 09:34 AM
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Don't get me wrong, I don't think Obama will be our Hitler. I was just comparing the the two based on why they were elected.




posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 09:43 AM
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People are naturally in need a strong leader to save them in times of serve distress and thus they will turn to the 1st person that looks like that Knight in shining armor on their majestic horse and totally ignore any negative aspects of that person in regards to beliefs, etc.

This is how Hitler took power and same with "The One". Both promised to bring their nations out of depression and to bring about "change" to fix whatever problems their were.



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by jd140
Don't get me wrong, I don't think Obama will be our Hitler. I was just comparing the the two based on why they were elected.


Can't do it. Germany was crushed by WWI. Infrastructure destroyed...there were those among the allied leaders who wanted to complete the job by salting the earth, so it would never again feed Germans. No comparison to the US today.

Let's not forget, either, the last 8 years in which your leader personally spoke to God. We can assume that's where the marching orders came from? Further, the torture? The Republican hierarchy are pretty quick to identify themselves as Christians, but only an Old Testament God would entertain Gitmo.

Once again, careful what you ask for...



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 10:58 AM
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I've read all of the responses, and rather than respond to each one, let me make a few comments.
Several posters mentioned extremism regarding religion. IMHO, that term is very subject to interpretation. Some people call Christians extremists, if they adhere to all of their religion's beliefs. It's as if, being true to your religion is some sort of crime. In the US, they haven't gotten yet to the point where expressing your religious beliefs is a crime, but I think it is closer. Regardless, as long as someone is not infringing upon other people's rights, I don't see where they should be ridiculed.
Some use the term Muslim extremists to describe certain terrorists that happen to be Muslim. Personally, I don't think that those people are true Muslims, because every Muslim that I know has said that those terrorists are not being true to Islam.
Many talked about the similarities of the US situation today to Germany in the 1930's. While it IS true that the Treaty of Versailles did set the table for Hitler's rise to power, it is ALSO true that the ECONOMIC situation in Germany also was a factor. Like many situations, the causes were many.
My belief is that there is more truth in the article I posted, than not. I would never blame one person, one President, or one Act of Congress. However, collectively, we have come to a precarious situation because of that "slippery slope" of political correctness, greed, and corruption. All of those factors have led to the problems we have today.
My REAL concern is that regardless of who was elected, things seem to just continue to head in the wrong direction.
Rather than continue into details, I'd like to hear what others think.



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 11:18 AM
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True, but...

Comparing Obama to Hitler doesn't work, not even by speaking styles. I don't know German, and while it is harsh, it's not that harsh. If I think back to speeches made by Hilter he seemed frantic, loud, angry, used overexagerated hand motions, he rarely smiled, and he seemed, well manic. As in crazy. The complete opposite of Obama, who is reassuring. Of course, my impression of Hitler might be tainted because I am looking back at it, and already know his history.

And the-much-to-do about his win was over two days after election night... the to-do has pretty much subsided. We are once again back to being our apathetic society. I know a couple of McCain supporters who went to bed after McCain's concession speech and didn't even watch Obama's speech (which is a shame, it was a great speech and moving moment in our history). But come Thursday, it was business as usual for most people who just went on about their daily lives. As I predict it will be until Inauguration Day.

And this is before my time, but weren't there other "change" elections? Didn't JFK offer much of the same? And didn't Reagan beat Carter because people were fed up with the Dems at that point?

I'm just saying comparing Hitler to Obama is unfair, as he hasn't even started yet.

[edit on 11/14/2008 by GetOutOfMyRabbitHole]



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 12:37 PM
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You need to stop listening to the media fool boy. I was an intelligence analyst at GTMO and there was NO torture there unless you count giving people mcdonalds and pizza, who's own leadership within their organization is making them starve themselves, torture.

The al qaida and other terrorist groups within GTMO had a hierarchy and the leadership was forcing the others to starve themselves on hungerstrikes to try and gain sympathy from people like you.

The closest thing to torture going on there was taking them into the interrogation rooms and offering them pizza and mcdonalds and letting them watch movies in return for cooperation. Since the leadership couldn't see that they were eating in there, they would jump all over the chance for the most part.

So for you to accept the lies of the MSM is just ridiculous and idiotic. Hell, even the senators and congressmen who went down there expecting to see atrocious tortures were surprised to see how well they were treated. "Better than our soldiers BTW". Hell they would offer to let us go to see the detainee's doctors and dentists when they weren't scheduled for a detainee because they were soo much better than the personnel that were assigned to the soldiers and contractor personnel.

Jaden



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 12:45 PM
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HAHAHAHAHA

So the very first line states "Because the US has abandoned moral absolutes...... they are becoming like nazis"


What!... There was no party with a more moral absolute than the Nazis!

What rubbish.

Moral Absolutes lead to facism and totalitarianism because there is always something in those systems which is more important than anything else.. that's what moral absolutes are all about.


This is akin to the faked letters from Kenyas warning about an Obama President. This formula of faking a person which supposedly should know something about a current situtation is a played out tactic of the FUD spreaders.



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 12:55 PM
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Defending this man's right to his faith:

First of all, people have just jumped at this guy, tearing him to bits just because he has some sort of faith, acting like it makes him a derelict or mentally unfit to judge. Jesus, guys.

I am not "religious". I wouldn't even like to call myself "spiritual". I am somewhat of what I like to simply label a mystic, though. There is only one ultimate truth, and that is at the heart of all religions and true mystery schools. That is why atheism, religion, and most forms of spiritualism are a bit skewed.... because they are that way on purpose.
However... I cannot deny a simple truth that Christ himself taught, which is the basis of Christianity... and essentially what the 10 Commandments say. That simple and undeniable symptom of the one ultimate truth can be described in non mystical terms as well. Treat all other beings with the kindness, love, and respect you wish to be given. Like Jesus said, we are all children of one Consciousness (God, if you will). This is the truth. You may believe otherwise, but belief and truth are two different things. Seeing everyone as a separate soul-less savage beast only tamed by governance, fear, and logic of how to avoid death and outsmart others seems to be the very foundation of atheism, even if atheists aren't aware of it... and this creates many problems. People fear each other, and this is ridiculous. We are all the same inside. We all at our core want the same things, and that is just to be who we are here to be by our own free will granted to us by our consciousness.

I would say that if you are a religious or spiritual fanatic, which actually do NOT make up the majority of Americans with a Faith they adhere to, you're one who delves too much into scripture specifics and doesn't understand an overall theme of what their supposed Lord and Savior, whoever that may be, was trying to convey with their message. Religious fanatics do NOT represent
all faithful people, and in America this is the philosophy we're leaning towards becoming completely enamored with. The only true authority to our atheist states, and soon the world if we don't turn, will be basically materialism, egotism, and governance over the gulled.... and that to me sounds a lot like what Satanists and Luciferians preach about. Materialism, pride, selfishness, greed, lies, hate, and a fixation with pleasure...

So don't even start with ripping on an ex-Nazi and his religious leanings for trying to wake people up to the similarities he sees between the two. That is completely besides the point, and he definitely speaks as if he's a Christian that sees the simple truths in his faith. Anyone who abides by simple truths and common sense morals like some which are expressed quite adamantly in Christianity is trutworthy in my book, and I would trust them more than a leader who denies "God" or uses "God" as a shield for doing very atrocious things. If anything in the name of God or with the name of God on it in any way shape or form oppresses the soul and the creator lying within any of us, it is NOT TRULY BECOMING of even the simplest religious foundations.

Sorry for the slight tangent, but i believe it is a necessary thing to address, since several very judgmental people came in here and tried to discredit anyone who has faith in something other than random chaos and the popular phrase nowadays "Life is unfair". I'm sorry, but those people are mistaken, and they do not know yet the giant injustice they have been duped into preaching like a new age morality-free religion.

Back to the meat of what this man was saying:

I see the similarities, too. I also do not believe Hitler was the true power behind the Nazis. I believe he was a hypnotic and powerful speaker, and he was one of the Nazi party's best early mind control subjects. Hell, I think Mengele had more influence on Nazi power than Hitler.

The same power play can and will happen here if the ignorant don't turn quick. This is a grand chessboard, and if the light side never sits aback and observes or understands the
dark side's playing strategy, they'll view each individual chess piece as some separate and unrelated original terror, and the style of the chessboard could change and become a little more post-modern and sterile as opposed to the classic pawns, knights, kings, and queens.... but if the same hand is still moving those chess pieces, it will keep using a similar strategy because it is obviously effective if the light side of the board doesn't catch on. It will always be checkmate until we realize the game we're being played in here.
All we gotta do is force ourselves to look up and see the hand that only lies hidden because we're too busy staring at the maze in front of us that we're forced to run for the cheese against all the other rats in this social experiment gone mad.

Obama as the new Hitler? I doubt it will ever be as in your face obvious as Hitler again. I think the Military Industrial Complex/ World Government Inc. like their citizens worshiping and trusting them better. No will to lash back, no will to enact real change, no will to disagree enough to care... and if there is will left, there's enough fear present at all times subconsciously and consciously to successfully extinguish any effective anount of it.

I also don't think the man was speaking that he sees what's happening as a line for line repeat of Nazi Germany, but instead as a rewritten and streamlined Econo - Friendly version of the philosophy that dominated the Nazi rule.

People need desperately to teach themselves how to think more abstractly and metaphorically, and stop bashing each other's faiths. Christianity isn't the end of the world, but capitalism and atheism and robot-like programmed drones with majorly stroked and swollen big hard egos flying out of this country's education hives and attacking the individual who can think for themselves and humiliate the open minded philosopher who can see some truth in all perspectives is definitely a nice start. America has been more genocidal than Nazi Germany, to be quite honest with you. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Native Americans slaughtered from the very beginning. Slavery and murder of African slaves, both in America and in Africa. Worldwide Ecological Homicide. Killing of mostly all civilians in all our little "not quite wars" waged in the name of our new God democracy and the American way of life. Inventing the nuke and killing millions of Japanese in Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Poisoning and retarding of our food and water supply by our beloved free market capitalist corporate sludge facories, all in the name of WHAT??? Nothing like a Neo-Nazi America???? Not to mention big pharma, the CIA backed drug cartels which have created gangs and violence and slums and horrible atrocities of man against man.... all blamed on us because we're just so evil as humans. This is the American way of life. #ing hating ourselves, hating everybody else, hiring a military and private contractors to kill so we don't have to, so we can rot in cages where we lock our own cell doors, and wwe can poison ourselves, and kill each other, and kill ourselves, and torture ourselves and work ourselves to an early death for imaginary wealth while the dark side of the chess board keeps playing the same moves and benefitting from the geocide of the human species. Yes folks, America is WORSE than Nazi Germany times 1000, because it is so goddamn fraudulent and deceiving and just the worst of all psychologically manipulative bastards in the whole entire existence of this universe. I have no respect for America. It doesn't exist. It only exists as a prison in your mind.... and that is EXACTLY what the Nazis strived to perfect, is getting the people to mentally imprison themselves!!!

They succeeded!!! This man is severely understating the reality of what they have succeeded in.

The tides are turning, though. Freedom, my peoples!



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 01:26 PM
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Show me what race he wants to exterminate and I'll bow out. Show me where he has said he wants to shred the Constitution and I'll shake your hand (and you can't say guns because he's already said it should be left to the states).

If you think socializing health care is like being under Hitler... don't move to Canada or the UK.

Unbelievable.



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 01:31 PM
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That article, and those we share similiar beliefs, forget an important thing. There are MANY countries that do not believe in the christian god (who this article is obviously talking about when it says god), and they are not like nazi Germany. I believe it is the movement TOWARD this christian system that makes a country like nazi Germany. Tolerance does not breed hatred, does not breed genocide. Christianity cannot claim tolerance in any sense of the word.



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 02:09 PM
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Nice article...



We, here at ATS, used to laugh at WND...


Now...


I think WND has the best reporters in the news media...
They do more/better investigative reporting then anything other media outlet.


They touch the stories that the MainStream Media ignores...


This is the best line


"It took me a long time to understand and define the nature of National Socialism," says von Campe. "And, unfortunately, their philosophy continues to flourish under different labels remaining a menace to America and free human society."


I only wish that this man would come on ATS, and share his stories...



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 02:39 PM
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From what I read he wasn't writing about mixing Religion and Government

What I got from it was that the moral ground on which we stand free is lost if you lose the direction laid out by the founding fathers and just as important taking God and the moral of true Christianity out of the individual.

As a free Nation we need both - but the two do not work together outside of ourselves.

I thought that was obvious. And it isn't exactly hard to see the direction both parties are taking us. America right now is 1932 Germany completely in every aspect.

From 9/11 (Riechstag fire) right down to the steady slope heading into Socialism and the Liberal is the new Jew.



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 02:52 PM
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The only thing missing in this scenario of control is the 'American SS' making 'Night patrols' to remove citizens from their beds to 'Disappear' them so political discord at the policies of the leaders whether its Obama or anyone else. This new citizen security force or what ever it will be eventualy called smacks of Hitler youth and the beginnings of dominate propaganda farmsfor our youth. We already have our police departments trying to cause our children to turn us in with the Dare program. Whats to stop them from useing this same idea for political speech? Hell, Senator Dodds Dad used the 1933 Nazi firearms law verbatum for the 'Gun Controll Act of 1968" ! Many of our elected officials have referanced how the Nazi's manipulated the German people. This idea in the OP is definatly possible and has been done before!!

Zindo



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by midnightbrigade
The worst part is, there won't be anyone left to "free" us.


Why do you think God made Great Britain? To free countries from fascist dictatorships of course.

I believe Americans should take this as a stark warning, when someone who has been through it all before tells you it is happening again you should take action.



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 03:41 PM
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Prof, The US is a full blown Fascist state, its just that the people, the masses have not realised it yet. The frame work is in place, the laws, the rules, the camps and all the rest of it. Any one who states's otherwise is in denial or delluded.

Hitler and his gang rose to power because the counret and its people were weak. The US is in exactly that same position now all it needs is the right despot to come along to kick it off.

I here so many times that the people of the US are well armed and would not stand for it. Well wrong again, its wrong to assume that all those people will side with the good guys and not the bad. One only has to look at ATS for the brain dead patriot ready to follow their country into hell. These are the very people who would round up their fellow citizens, torture and murder them.

its been done before in the US, the civil war anyone, so for all the naysayers that say it cannot or will not happen what is their response to all the historical events and facts where similar situations have occured.

Its quite easy to paint one group of people as a threat to the others, Muslims, the poor, imigrants, politico's, homosexuals, anyone speaking out against the Goverment. Remember it was Bush who said to question the events of 9/11 was unpatriotic, so yes all the seeds are there ready to bare the fruit of death and mayhem.



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 03:48 PM
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Did you vote this election?

Exactly.



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 03:53 PM
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Irish, sorry I'm not American and what has voting got to do with it, it has nothing. The US has been highjacked by a bunch of rich families and it does not matter who you vote for. Politicians are bought and paid for by these powerful families, if they want war they get it, if they want a depression they get it, if they want you dead they get it, are you getting it?



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 04:40 PM
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I hear you loud and clear. They have already authorized reserve troops patrolling our streets. Obama has talked about forming that youth brigade and now the mandatory sign up "draft" under a different name. Then you have Blackwater contracting with FEMA and the ATF and we can see where that is going in relation to most likely an eventual gun confiscation. Canadian troops and foreign military have been training within our borders to work with our Government in case of a "National Crisis."

The new Nazi's are already trained, programmed, and ready to defend the homeland - oops I mean Homeland Security

So its already happening.

I still want to know what exactly is under the Denver Airport, whatever it is must be pretty intense as far as some kind of FEMA/detention camp. The art murals there indicates some pretty extreme ideas or planned events coming our way.

Denver Airport discussion and murals

Stock up and follow the 7 P's

Prior Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance

Sorry for the edit but I had to include one more thing: Let's not forget that Austin just authorized forced blood drawing on anyone pulled over and suspected of drunk driving. That in itself is an illegal Government action and it is just the beginning of more laws like it to come.

What's next, mandatory citizen blood DNA analysis to determine if an individual carries the inherited trait of losing it one day or becoming hostile?

Its getting crazy, when did terrorism profiling switch from the Middle East to any and all Americans?

[edit on 14-11-2008 by arizonascott]



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 05:00 PM
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I mean there are over 50-80 million evangelicals in this country which I feel in other words is Christian Fundamentalism, which is not a good.

The Gay Marriage issue is a prime example of how we are trying to enforce our religious views on the population as a whole.



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 05:04 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.




Originally posted by Mercenary2007
It wasn't until after he got in power that he started to persecute Jews. And yes Hitler was a mix between socialism and nationalism.


Actually, thats not true.

Hitler's - obsessive hatred of the jews took root earlier in his life, when he lived in Vienna, around about the age of 19/20 when he encountered the work of Adolf Lanz, who preached that human existence was a battle between white, Arayan peoples and "dark ones" - black people, jews and slavs who he described as being sub-human, inferior and ape like savages (something I see horribly mirrored in certain descriptions of muslims by some US citizens, and also in descriptions of westerners by some muslim fanatics.

At the time he encountered Lanz, the jewish population of Vienna was on the increase as an influx of people came into the city fleeing religious rioting in Eastern Europe.

His hatred was further shaped when he encountered Guido Von List, who was even more (if thats possible) fanatically anti-jewish, and it was Lists propaganda that gave Hitler the basis of his belief in a world-wide Jewish conspiracy.

To go back to the OP, I have to say that I disagree with the analysis. Hitler very carefully manipulated himself into power using all the tools at his disposal - oratory, psychological and violence. People often think of Hitler as some psychotic mad-man - and that may have been the case by the end of the war as he gradually came to terms with the fact that there was no way Germany - as he saw it - could win.

Comparing the US - or even circumstances in the US, to Nazi Germany is not possible. The living conditions and racial awareness are hugely different these days to what they were in the early 1900's. People are more aware, communication is better, and the media is changing and undergoing a gradual devolution instead of being centralised propaganda.

Theres a whole lot of right-wing scaremongering going on at the moment, and its sad to see it. Personally I believe that this is just another example.



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