Ex-Hitler youth's warning to America

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posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 12:24 AM
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Posted: November 13, 2008
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WASHINGTON – Because it has abandoned moral absolutes and its historic Christian faith, the U.S. is moving closer to a Nazi-style totalitarianism, warns a former German member of the Hitler Youth in a new book.

"Every day brings this nation closer to a Nazi-style totalitarian abyss," writes Hilmar von Campe, now a U.S. citizen, and author of "Defeating the Totalitarian Lie: A Former Hitler Youth Warns America."

Von Campe has founded the national Institute for Truth and Freedom to fight for a return to constitutional government in the U.S. – a key, he believes, to keeping America free.

"I lived the Nazi nightmare, and, as the old saying goes, 'A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an argument,'" writes von Campe. "Everything I write is based on my personal experience in Nazi Germany. There is nothing theoretical about my description of what happens when a nation throws God out of government and society, and Christians become religious bystanders. I don't want to see a repetition. The role of God in human society is the decisive issue for this generation. My writing is part of my life of restitution for the crimes of a godless government, of the evil of which I was a part."




posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 12:29 AM
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It is one thing for those who have not been deeply involved with a movement to pass judgment, but when someone who was actually a living part of that history, speaks, we should take heed.




Von Campe grew up under the Nazis, served in the Hitler Youth and fought against the Red Army in the Yugoslavian theater as a tank gunner in the German army. He was captured at the end of the war and escaped five months later from a prisoner of war camp in Communist Yugoslavia.
"It took me a long time to understand and define the nature of National Socialism," says von Campe. "And, unfortunately, their philosophy continues to flourish under different labels remaining a menace to America and free human society."

He writes: "The most painful part of defining National Socialism was to recognize my own moral responsibility for the Nazi disaster and their crimes against humanity. It boiled down to accepting the truth that 'as I am, so is my nation,' and realizing that if every German was like me, it was no wonder that the nation became a cesspool of gangsters. This realization is as valid today for any person in any nation as it was then, and it is true for America and every American now."

Von Campe's message is that political freedom and democratic rules alone are not sufficient to govern humanity justly.

"Democratic procedures can be subverted and dishonest politicians are like sand in the gearbox, abundant, everywhere and destructive," he writes. "What I see in America today is people painting their cabins while the ship goes down. Today in America we are witnessing a repeat performance of the tragedy of 1933 when an entire nation let itself be led like a lamb to the Socialist slaughterhouse. This time, the end of freedom is inevitable unless America rises to her mission and destiny."

Von Campe says he sees spiritual parallels among Americans and his childhood Germany.

"The silence
from our pulpits regarding the moral collapse of American society from within is not very different from the silence that echoed from the pulpits in Germany toward Nazi policies," he explains. "Our family lived through the Nazi years in Germany, an experience typical of millions of Europeans regardless of what side they were on. We paid a high price for the moral perversions of a German government, which excluded God and His Commandments from their policies. America must not continue following the same path to destruction, but instead heed the lessons of history and the warning I am giving."

Specifically, von Campe warns Americans their political leaders are on the wrong footing, "denying our cultural and traditional roots based on our unique Constitution and Christian orientation as a nation. Christians don't understand their mission."



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 12:41 AM
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That is my biggest argument about this whole subject. People are always like well where is the proof and this and that. I always say that you don't have to look any further than the people that have lived it.

But as usual they just blow it off and come up with excuses to ignore it.

This is not so much scary, but more like it's getting to be that time to make a choice.



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 01:43 AM
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Fantastic find my friend.

I've thought this for a couple of years now. What scares me is that people truly believe that something like the Nazi movement could never happen in America. I'm sure the Germans thought that when it happened to them.

The worst part is, there won't be anyone left to "free" us.



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 01:46 AM
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So, should we just do away with the Bill of Rights entirely then, and set up a new form of government based solely on the Bible? Should we do away with due process, and just start publicly stoning people for even the smallest of infractions? Should we do away with the Geneva Conventions, and just go back to killing the men and children of those who oppose our religious beliefs then rape their unsullied women?

Who were the bystanders during all the crusades, inquisitians, witch hunts,
and practically every war that's been waged since the rise of Christianity? I can assure it wasn't the "turn the other cheek so I can have a good shot at your jugular" Christians...



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 02:02 AM
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Religion and government don't mix. If this German guy knew anything about America, then he'd know that.



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 02:27 AM
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One component of this is that for one, Hitler was possibly, slightly mentally ill or possibly over time was succombing to some sort of disease like syphilis was eating away at his brain or impairing his judgement or what little he ever posessed.

Once he really found he was of Jewish heritage he made it his obsession to cover it up and destroy his own past and he was completely driven by anger and contempt especially after imprisonment, there were many dynamics at play that were unique to how Hitler led and used his power that make it difficult to draw a line with the way the United States is set up and how the president excercises powere, I do not take what this man has to say with a grain of salt, there are some parallels but he fails to see the leader and how he came to power and take that leaders mentality into account as an individual.

Eugenics at play, superiority complexes gone awry, divine right, these are the things cults are made of, sort of Mansonesque in their construction and the possible parallel easiest to draw is Hitler would have more in common with Manson than Hitler with any future president of the United States.






[edit on 14-11-2008 by phinubian]



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 02:38 AM
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Originally posted by DarthChrisious
Religion and government don't mix. If this German guy knew anything about America, then he'd know that.


Ever notice how much emphasis is put on "Oh, We dont talk about politics and religion, it just causes arguments"? Well My God what would happen if more people attributed their religious beliefs to the way their governments conducted business Hmmm. No wonder the moral divide between the two and unfortunately the Governments total moral depravity has swayed the religions of its constituents. One good thing here though. were so morally deprived that we should have no trouble picking up a gun and blowing someone clear to hell.

God help us.



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 02:47 AM
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I dont know if the right wing extremist politics that have dominated in the republican party are any better than the early naziz. Little bit more to the right and you have a Christan extremist fascism which would trigger WW3 in an instant. Time for the republicans to wake up and move the center little bit to left again!



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 03:45 AM
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While I acknowledge this guy's personal experience I feel he is wrong- and it sounds to me like he is pushing his religion in this book, which automatically makes me suspicious.

First, Hilter was not a socialist by the original definition of the word. Just because he called his party the National Socialists does not make it so. It was a misnomer.

Here is just one site about Hitler's rise to power:
www.fsmitha.com...

I was always taught that he rose to power because the Germans were poor, hungry, and looking for someone to "save them." Or perhaps, someone to lead them, and give them jobs. He fed them ulta-patriotic lines, combined with pro-Christian propaganda, might I add. He also usurped power, and sent out the Brown Shirts to intimidate people.

I would be much more afraid of a "Christian" America becoming poor and desperate than a secular America of happy, lazy, well-fed, working folk.

To quote Bob Marley- a hungry mob is an angry mob.

But I do agree that a return to The Constitution is in order. You just don't need religion to get there.

Edited to add last line.

[edit on 11/14/2008 by GetOutOfMyRabbitHole]



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 04:02 AM
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Hmmmm so the cult like following Obama has couldn't possibly be a warning sign? not to mention his socialist leaning policies? Time will tell But Obama and Hitler have some similarities.

Its people that think like yourself that will do the most harm to this country. you can't see past the here and now and look at the past and look a little future to see what could possibly happen.

reply to post by GetOutOfMyRabbitHole
 

Hitler did rise to power because the Germans were poor, hungry, and looking for someone to "save them." The Germans were poor and hungry, because of how the German was treated after the End of world war 1. the were forced to poverty for a generation by the British and the french. Their economy was in shambles, Inflation was rampant, there was mass corruption in the Government. Hitler promised to restore Germany to its former glory. to reclaim land that was lost after the war. It wasn't until after he got in power that he started to persecute Jews. And yes Hitler was a mix between socialism and nationalism.


Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and the creation of an egalitarian society.[1][2] Modern socialism originated in the late nineteenth-century working class political movement. Karl Marx posited that socialism would be achieved via class struggle and a proletarian revolution which represents the transitional stage between capitalism and communism.[3][4]

Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital and creates an unequal society. All socialists advocate the creation of an egalitarian society, in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly, although there is considerable disagreement among socialists over how, and to what extent this could be achieved.[1]

Socialism is not a discrete philosophy of fixed doctrine and program; its branches advocate a degree of social interventionism and economic rationalization, sometimes opposing each other. Another dividing feature of the socialist movement is the split on how a socialist economy should be established between the reformists and the revolutionaries. Some socialists advocate complete nationalization of the means of production, distribution, and exchange; while others advocate state control of capital within the framework of a market economy.


Socialism


Nationalism can refer to an ideology, sentiment, a form of culture, or a social movement that focuses on the nation.

As an ideology, nationalism holds that 'the people' in the doctrine of popular sovereignty is the nation, and that as a result only nation-states founded on the principle of national self-determination are legitimate. Since most states are multinational, or at least home to more than one group claiming national status,[3] the pursuit of this principle has often led to conflict, and nationalism is commonly associated with war (both external and domestic), secession, and even genocide in contexts ranging from imperial conquest to struggles for national liberation.

Nationalism does not always lead to violence, however, and it plays an integral role in the daily lives of most people around the world. Flags on buildings, the singing of national anthems in schools and at public events, and cheering for national sports teams are all examples of everyday, 'banal' nationalism that is often unselfconscious.[4] Moreover, some scholars argue that nationalism as a sentiment or form of culture, sometimes described as 'nationality' to avoid the ideology's tarnished reputation, is the social foundation of modern society. Industrialization, democratization, and support for economic redistribution have all been at least partly attributed to the shared social context and solidarity that nationalism provides.


Nationalism



[edit on 11/14/2008 by Mercenary2007]



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 07:54 AM
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We should look for signs of manipulation from political leaders.
The problem with socialism, is that it can be a transitional stage before communism.
wiki

Modern socialism originated in the late nineteenth-century working class political movement. Karl Marx posited that socialism would be achieved via class struggle and a proletarian revolution which represents the transitional stage between capitalism and communism.[3][4]

I don't think Obama is like Hitler, though. Racial Pride, the deep occult aspects......



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 08:20 AM
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Hmm, this article paints Hitler and the Nazi Regime as secular, anti-Christian, and 'ignoring of God'.

The historical record indicates differently:


"Gott Mit Uns" (translated) = "God is with us"


Here's an interesting page with quotes about Hitler's form of Christianity:
www.nobeliefs.com...


"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922



Is this a fair assessment? Were the Nazis 'real' Christians? If they weren't, how were the German people supposed to be able to distinguish that fact?



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 08:30 AM
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Originally posted by GetOutOfMyRabbitHole
While I acknowledge this guy's personal experience I feel he is wrong- and it sounds to me like he is pushing his religion in this book, which automatically makes me suspicious.

First, Hilter was not a socialist by the original definition of the word. Just because he called his party the National Socialists does not make it so. It was a misnomer.

Here is just one site about Hitler's rise to power:
www.fsmitha.com...

I was always taught that he rose to power because the Germans were poor, hungry, and looking for someone to "save them." Or perhaps. someone to lead them, and give them jobs.. He fed them ulta-patriotic lines, combined with pro-Christian propaganda, might I add. He also usurped power, and sent out the Brown Shirts to intimidate people.

I would be much more afraid of a "Christian" America becoming poor and desperate than a secular America of happy, lazy, well-fed, working folk.

To quote Bob Marley- a hungry mob is an angry mob.

But I do agree that a return to The Constitution is in order. You just don't need religion to get there.

Edited to add last line.

[edit on 11/14/2008 by GetOutOfMyRabbitHole]


Sounds a whole lot like America right now doesn't it. Isn't this the reason Obama was elected? We are poor, hungry and people are looking to Obama to save them.



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 08:37 AM
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Do you think Hitler would pander and say WHATEVER his people wanted to hear?
His occult and paganistic rituals would make it seem so.



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 08:44 AM
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Yes, quite possibly. Although the volume of his writings might counter-indicate that.

Did that make the beliefs of the Germans, who listened and followed, 'insincere'?



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by ProfEmeritus Von Campe grew up under the Nazis, served in the Hitler Youth and fought against the Red Army in the Yugoslavian theater as a tank gunner in the German army. He was captured at the end of the war and escaped five months later from a prisoner of war camp in Communist Yugoslavia.


As far as credentials go, these don't make him a Nazi, and I don't think I see in the excerpts that he committed any atrocities or war crimes, so he assuming the mantle of national guilt upon himself. So be it, but it does not necessarily follow that these factors add credibilty to his present Christian prostylizing.

If there is no firm disconnect between church and state, then sooner or later you end up with a disenfranchised minority. Religion is an individual calling, and one can be moral and an atheist as well. Don't need a religious State to be a good one.



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 08:51 AM
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Were all the people aware of what he was really about?
There was little freedom for dissent!
Christians who objected were jailed, killed.
There was a group of organized anti-naziism. I can't remember the name(???!), they were crushed politically.
You can call yourself a Christian and not be one.
Go through the rituals, for social reasons.
Put your name on a roster, whatever.......



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 09:10 AM
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Of course Hitler and those like him would say whatever was needed. That is their real purpose. Power. They don't care about money, they want power.

Money is a buy product of power and it always comes when enough power is gathered. Be it in the form of taxes (because you go to jail if you don't pay)or donations (because you believe in the person *Blah Blah*) or whatever. It is almost 100% probable that power will corupt.

And more on topic, a quote:

A wise man learns from his mistakes.
A wiser man learns from the mistakes of others.

(I don't know who wrote it.)



posted on Nov, 14 2008 @ 09:22 AM
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I think for a lot of us, who recognized that we once again got to choose between the lesser of two "evils" of corporate and media backed candidates, we just could not handle 4 more years of the last 8. I don't know how many people actually think he is going to "save" us, but I don't think it is a large percentage. I do however think that in a time of crisis you need someone steady and a good communicator and someone with the power to give hope (like the FDR fireside chats). His win was about change, a break from the last 8 years, hope, and his win was largely celebrated both here and internationally. I think what it said about us as a society and what it said to the world about us was great. That being said, I was a Ron Paul fan, and my dream election would have been Ron Paul vs. Dennis Kucinich.

Those of us who follow foreign policy picked the Brzezinski boys over Kissinger and the neocons.

I am cynical, but I have to hope that Obama will be able to accomplish at least some of what he said he wanted to do when he was running. Especially about creating green jobs and fixing health care.





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