Originally posted by Vicky32
First, I know what meme is, thank you very much - and you should be aware that there is controversy as to whether it's a real thing, or just a piece
of smart-arsery from Herr Sir Professor Lord Dawkins. 
The term meme when applied to religion is loaded to say the least...
It is a statement of the obvious to claim that "religion" is a product of environmental conditioning, religious hypnosis and religious indoctrination
and that it is not "genetic;" there is no genetic basis for example for executing people who work on a Saturday (the Sabbath), executing homosexuals,
for executing female slaves who are not found to be virgins when they are sold into slavery, or for committing genocide against persons who do not
revere the particular tribal deity of the ancient Israelites; all such Biblical edicts have to be ingrained into a child through a process of
indoctrination and hypnosis.
As for your disagreement about the fluidity of the sexuality of lesbians particularly I suggest you read the second link, the one from Mother
Jones, and er - actually read all of it!
Yes I did read it however, firstly one cannot make generalisations about the entire human race, based on the claims of "some" people, and secondly the
view that sexuality is "fluid" is anyway supported by studies of human behaviour and erotic desire such as the Kinsey report.
There are two major "generalisations:"
1: All human beings are heterosexual and deviations from heterosexuality are "unnatural" and also "sinful."
2: Human beings are a bisexual species, though some tend to be exclusively homosexual, while others tend to be exclusively heterosexual.
The 46% of males in the Kinsey Studies who admitted to homo-erotic attraction did not all act upon such attracton, however this does mean that they
are psychologically heterosexual.
With regards to sexul fluidity, this is simply an observation of human erotic nature; some people go through heterosexual periods, homosexual periods
and bisexual periods in their life, whereas others tend to stick with one of the three options.
Don't let your prejudices stop you.
A prejudice can be defined as "
An adverse judgment or opinion formed beforehand or without knowledge or examination of the facts". The fact is,
that human beings are a bisexual species, and that even in clutres where homosexuality is an executionable or punishable offence, they still have
homo-erotic relationships, and have done so throughout human history.
You're talking nonsense if you think that distaste for homosexual activity is caused by " this has to do with religious hypnosis and indoctrination.
"
It is possible that "some" forms of homophobia may be just cultural rather than religious, however it does seem to me that the main source of
homophobia is religious fanaticism.
I also think that possibly those persons who are the most insecure about their own sexuality are often the most verbally homophobic; it is as if they
have to "prove" that they are not gay or bisexual. An example of this would be Ted Haggard, the former head of the far right "National Association of
Evangelicals" who admitted having sex with a male prostitute.
Lux
Addendum
Originally posted by Vicky32
Sigh. As I said, read the links! They express what I want to say better than I can, and being written by gay people, presumably more credibly for
you...
Yes human sexuality is often fluid; people can change their gender preferences throughout their lives, but that evidence is more of an argument that
we are innately bisexual than heterosexual.
Of course they are not acting against their desires... the question is solely, are those desires innate, or culturally inculcated?
The 46% of males in the Kinsey Report who claimed to have experienced same sex attraction, did not live in a culture where homo-erotic relationships
were acceptible; they lived in the US in the 1940's where people were rather under cultural pressures to be heterosexual.
With regards to homo-erotic attraction being "culturally inculcated (implanted / subjected to indoctrination)" it seems to me that it is homophobia
which is culturally inculcated; further animals who have same sex relationships are not subjected ro religious or cultural indoctrination. The desire
for erotic experiences is not a product of inculcation; we naturally seek out erotic pleasure and if that is unnatural, and there is a designer (i.e.,
a god), perhaps you should take your complaints up with Her.
Originally posted by Vicky32
... just a piece of smart-arsery from Herr Sir Professor Lord Dawkins.
Dawkins is not a "Sir." A "Sir" is a person who has received a "knighthood" from Jesus' representative on earth to all Anglicans (i.e., Elizabeth
Windsor) and who is bound by a military oath (a "knight" is a soldier) to defend her. I cannot conceive of Jesus' representative on earth knighting
Richard Dawkins and I doubt if he would be so immoral as to accept such an ingolorious and insulting title.
Lux
edit on 9-2-2011 by Lucifer777 because: Addendum & spelling
