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Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
The Gay Community says they were born gay.
The overwhelming majority of non-Christian heterosexual believe homosexuals are born this way.
It may or may not be genetic. But it is 'natural', in that it was produced by nature. 30 million plus people saying it is so does indeed constitute as evidence by the way. * evidence being different then proof*
Originally posted by crmanager
And the fact you stated you HATE heterosexuals is far from normal or natural.
Originally posted by racegunz
If you don't believe in the Bibles divine authorship, and you are not a Christian why do you care what we think? If there's no God you have nothing to worry about, get over it. Why justify yourself to others?
Why do you care what others think or do you just get off shoving your lifestyle in the faces of those that find it wrong or sinful.
You are just causing problems so you can play victim wahhhhh!!!! The Christians hate me WAAAAHHHH!!!!!
Originally posted by Good Wolf
reply to post by miriam0566
Whether or not God made them that way or not, it's not something they can do anything about, or want to do anything about (in most cases). It's part of who they are, just as the effects of any trauma are part of us.
My son has said he did not choose to be "gay" he just always was.
Text they choose to be gay, i choose to be hetrosexual
TextA DNA transplant made these male fruit flies turn away from females. What does that say about the origins of homosexuality?
BY LARRY THOMPSON/BETHESDA
Fruit flies are among the most sexually proficient creatures on earth. Their ability to produce a new generation in two weeks has made them the darlings of genetics researchers for nearly a century. Put a male fruit fly into a bottle with a female, and he doesn't waste any time before getting down to business.
So it's a bit bewildering to watch the behavior of certain fruit flies at the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Maryland. There, in the laboratories of biologists Ward Odenwald and Shang-Ding Zhang, strange things are happening inside the gallon-size culture jars. In some experiments, the female flies are cowering in groups at the top and bottom of the jars. The males, meanwhile, are having a party--no, an orgy -- among themselves.
With a frenzy usually reserved for chasing females, the males link up end-to-end in big circles or in long, winding rows that look like winged conga lines. As the buzz of the characteristic fruit fly "love song" fills the air, the males repeatedly lurch forward and rub genitals with the next ones in line. What's going on? Without a wink or a chuckle, Odenwald claims that these male fruit flies are gay -- and that he and Zhang made them that way.
The scientists say they transplanted a single gene into the flies that caused them to display homosexual behavior. And that's very interesting, they assert, because a related gene exists in human beings, although there is no evidence yet that the human gene has an effect on sexual preference.
The text quoted above taken from this site: www.skeptictank.org...
Originally posted by Blueracer
The title is misleading. Christians do not/should not hate gays. Like God, hate the sin. Not the sinner. Agree or not, I'm just pointing that out.
Originally posted by Parabol
I'll try to make this as short as possible, here's my line of thought.
- Homosexuals exist
There is a genetic factor to homosexuality
Like all of us, the genetic factor influences their personal and social feelings
God creates everything and everyone
God does not create people who are pre-damned, or already bound for hell upon birth due to free will
Homosexuals exist
To those who say 'change them', is like asking a straight person to change to gay, their genetic feelings and direction are based on the same chemical principles as gays
God doesn't hate gays, damn them to hell, or care what they do because He created them as such
...so why in the Lords name do some Christians use God and the Bible to discriminate and hate on homosexuals??
That's pretty much it. My questions to those who are Christian and against gays are these...
- Do you not believe in a genetic basis?
Do you believe God creates people pre-damned?
Do you feel God gives you the right to judge?
The way I see it, God is more concerned about how we treat each other than us going against Him. The commandments and other important lessons are based around us getting along and everyone experiencing a happy, peaceful time (I know wars and such were fought in His name but I don't believe men are above saying God told them to do such things, but that's another discussion).
To say God feels gays are an abomination to His work is like a child complaining to us that we aren't doing it right. Homosexuals do not cause Him, Christians, non-Christians, or themselves any harm. They can be Christians as well, it's not as if they are bathing in blood chanting Satans name or something. I don't understand how Christians can see God as being so hateful.
I know there is a verse which says men shouldn't lay with men or something, but I personally don't agree with it. I think parts of the Bible like this are the work of men. I find it hard to believe that every rule in Exodus was God reciting his list to whoever wrote it. "Ok now, if you steal food, thats going to be 5 oxen that must be repaid.... hmmn, no wait, better make that 10." I know that's my personal belief, but I think we should attempt to recognize how the greedy hands of men have been laid upon the book.
Oh and for the record I'm a straight, semi-Christian (I believe in the positive God in the Bible, don't take it literally, and a strong believer in science).
Originally posted by ofhumandescent
My son has said he did not choose to be "gay" he just always was.
You're a real piece of work and you don't know shi_. Your statement is really ignorant and it's ignorant, arrogant and pompous statements like yours that make this world such a hateful place because homosexuality is far more then choosing ones sexual oriention.
there is no evidence yet that the human gene has an effect on sexual preference
If I could subtract 100 stars from you I would because it's people like you who two hundred years ago that would have yelled "demon" "burn them" when the person on trial was a victim of epileptic seizures.
Before you post maybe do some serious research on the subject and I don't mean "the bible"
Originally posted by MAINTAL
Originally posted by Blueracer
The title is misleading. Christians do not/should not hate gays. Like God, hate the sin. Not the sinner. Agree or not, I'm just pointing that out.
I'm afraid you got that wrong partner, GOD DOES HATE the sinner and it is the sinner who he rebukes not the sin. God does not punish the sin he punishes the sinner. It is the sinner who must repent, not the sin. Sin in and of itself couldn't care less what God thinks because it has no mind no concsience. I know this soft on sin type of logic is often used in many of the churchs today because they don't want to offend anyone but it sure isn't in the Bible that way.
Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by Annee
What about my consent?
I'm not giving my consent to selected aberrant behavior. Remember, this is all genetic, a homicidal pattern borne through the millennia, my feelings can't be helped, they aren't my fault, and I have just as much right to flout my feelings and aberrant behavior as much as anyone else, right?
Remember, there's no right and wrong. No choice, no right or wrong. No moral compass, no right or wrong.
Originally posted by darkelf
Originally posted by MAINTAL
Originally posted by Blueracer
The title is misleading. Christians do not/should not hate gays. Like God, hate the sin. Not the sinner. Agree or not, I'm just pointing that out.
I'm afraid you got that wrong partner, GOD DOES HATE the sinner and it is the sinner who he rebukes not the sin. God does not punish the sin he punishes the sinner. It is the sinner who must repent, not the sin. Sin in and of itself couldn't care less what God thinks because it has no mind no concsience. I know this soft on sin type of logic is often used in many of the churchs today because they don't want to offend anyone but it sure isn't in the Bible that way.
I disagree. According to John 3:16, God loves all, it is the sinner who condems himself for not believing.