If you don't believe in the Bibles divine authorship, and you are not a Christian why do you care what we think? If there's no God you have nothing to worry about, get over it. Why justify yourself to others? Why do you care what others think or do you just get off shoving your lifestyle in the faces of those that find it wrong or sinful. You are just causing problems so you can play victim wahhhhh!!!! The Christians hate me WAAAAHHHH!!!!!

It appears to me that both sides of the arguement here take some things from the bible and dismiss others.

surely a christian who believes the bible is gods word, must take everything that the bible says as truth, and which should be obeyed.

A difficult if not impossible thing to do considering the amount of contradictions in it.

If you do not believe in god or the bibles teachings then surely you shouldn't grab a statement and say 'see it says it in your bible'.

also the statement 'it's un-natural' is also wrong, in every species of animal there is 'gay sex', therefore if it's in nature it's natural.

The arguement I’ve heard is that even if there was a genetic influence, it would still have to be controlled. There is a genetic influence for some for anger or violence, but that doesn’t mean you can go around hurting others.

I don’t think its that good of an argument. People pick and choose what is sinful according to their own personal interests. They might quote a Bible verse, but that’s not to say that it is set in stone. The strict dietary laws of the Jews are thought by some people to have developed out of safety in times when foods weren’t always cooked right. The dietary law was there to protect people from illness and had nothing to do with sin or God, that is the thought for some. Others will basically say you have to follow it or God will become angry, who’s right? Similarly the verses in the Bible mention homosexual activity largely could have been in response to the prevalance of homosexuality in Greek life. Polytheism was also prevalent in that society so would it make sense to distance yourself, and mold your religion away from that? Makes sense to some. But like the dietary laws, homosexuality itself wasn’t bad but the connection to polytheism is what made it something to look down at.

Back to my main topic, if there are predispositions to “bad” traits via genes, is it possible perhaps that these traits have nothing to do with salvation at all? I think so People like to think that actions are important, but its the intention. If there a genes that give people a predisposition to “goodness” does that mean that they have an easier time getting to heaven? Lets say there is a Mother Terresa gene, is that all that is nessicary to go to heaven? They wouldn’t even have to work in life, they’d be a born saint. It’d be like a free pass into heaven. And with science, we could easily give everyone this gene and everyone would go to heaven because they all are “nice” people that follow rules and kiss eachothers’ butts. Is it that easy, really? I don’t think so

To top it off, right in between the verses that condemn homsexuality, you have verses that talk of killing the women and children yadda yadda. People don't take that seriously, but it is the direct word of God so go figure.

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OK I'm gonna get beat for this maybe but I am Straight as an arrow and I don't want to ever go same sex in any way. I wonder why people who are different don't come up with a different view? Marriage is between a Man & a Woman and should forever be. It's like trying to change the NFL to the NHL or the NBA to the WNBA. Before there was women basketball there was NBA. Well now that women has come along there is WNBA. Can gays and lesbians call it AnyMarriage or Outie Marriage? Or Garriage, larriage etc... I honestly feel that Marriage is a trademark and if it isn't it should be. Again I have nothing against gays and Lesbians and know they will not affect my way of life at all but please trademark your own union with the same rights if you want to.

I believe it is a very hard argument to claim that people are born gay. Since a baby can not convey logic, or a possible understanding of sexuality or love.

When I was younger I had a babysitter who had a younger brother, we use to play with G.I Joes, his sister also had Barbies and all of her accessories and what-not. We would also play with those, play with both, I remember I wanted to be a G.I Joe, along with many other things as a child, because they were amazing to me.

But, that makes me think, what if I was more infatuated with the Barbie, rather than the G.I Joe? Would that mean I would want to become more feminine? To become more like some childhood object, because I took a liking to it early on? My logic is, possibly early on, some surrounding, some influence, something that makes you feel an urge to imitate it, even it's gender role?

But, possibly people are born gay, but it would be very hard to prove due to memories or feelings of your early childhood.

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy

Hate the sin but not the sinner

correct

I hate heterosexuality. I hate the heterosexual orientation.

i see you are uselessly flipping the coin here.

I don't hate it at all. I am just flipping the coin over.

and why would you flip the coin. if gays are born that way, then maybe those that find it disgusting were born that way?

what gives you the right to flip the coin? if were all born a certain way then thats it. gays are born that way. bi-sexuals are born that way. hetero-sexuals are born that way.

what we see here, is bi-sexuals at least cant be born that way, because they enjoy both sexes, that is a choice. a choice that some people find disgusting because they are born that way.




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[edit on 13-11-2008 by pureevil81]

Originally posted by pureevil81
what gives you the right to flip the coin? if were all born a certain way then thats it. gays are born that way. bi-sexuals are born that way. hetero-sexuals are born that way.

And if they are, it's unfair and unjust to persecute them, just as much it is unjust to persecute blacks or redheads or whatever.

what we see here, is bi-sexuals at least cant be born that way, because they enjoy both sexes, that is a choice. a choice that some people find disgusting because they are born that way.

Why? If we can be born to be attracted to either sex then it suggests a spectrum considering that some people are more attracted to one sex as opposed to the other.