As someone who works for an internet company and does business with the places you accused(yahoo/google) from the thread I came to this one in, you are making a bunch of baseless claims.

Did y'all know that Google is a corporate member of the Trilateral Commission?? Or it could be the council on foreign relations -- i 4get

That said, I frankly don't buy the premise of this thread

Originally posted by eniac
Did y'all know that Google is a corporate member of the Trilateral Commission?? Or it could be the council on foreign relations -- i 4get

That said, I frankly don't buy the premise of this thread

No, I didn't, who are they? I'm in the UK. I noticed Google paling up with Obama shortly before he became president.

Google are buying up all the internet companies, if they took yahoo too it would give them 95% control. They need sorting out if we are not to have complette mafia control of the internet.

Originally posted by keeef1
The basis is my own experience. Most people believe what I have written if they read it properly. I am threatened almost daily by people who do business with these companies, if you are not a criminal and use them for whatever you are not alone, if you worked for them & were not aware you are probably not alone either, it's not something they like talked about. That said I get negative or mocking posts from people who are very aware of the truth regularly.

And my basis is also on my own experience. I live in the bay area where the majority of the companies you mention are located, I do business with pretty much every company you've listed and so on. I'm a CTO of a company in the bay area, which means I deal with the technical side of these companies pretty often. I also listen in and take part in meetings for things to see what is technologically possible in working with companies. I know people who work for them, and talk to google and yahoo techs all the time.

You provide no basis or any proof, and the only thing I see in your posting of this thread is to promote your own website(irony?).

"Googles immortal cookie." Cookies that do not expire are very common in programming. The only reason cookies are made to expire is usually just an extra security measure, and those cookies are usually on when you have account sensitive cookies. I've use cookies that never expire(huge dates) all the time. Also, Google is not a federal website. I also assign unique id's to visitors because it always me to keep track of how people visit the site, so that I can look at the data and make improvements to navigation and so on. These are also often used for ads, to keep you from seeing the same ads over and over which you have already displayed no interest in.

It is true that the cookies are used for tracking. And if you have a problem with anyone doing this to your cookies, you can simply check the option in your browser to delete all cookies at the end of your session. Beware that any saved login information you may have stored(such as logging in to these forums) will be deleted as well. You can also view cookies and delete only cookies from certain domains.

To make a claim that google is the first to ever do this, or that it is out of the norm is just plain false. Ad companies have been doing it before Google was even a company.

"Google records everything they can". Geo-location is done by your IP address. I also use geo-location to give people things based on the area they live in. This is done on the range of your IP, which is then matched up with a database that gives a zipcode, city and state of that IP. You can get the databases and modules that do these things free(some you have to buy). I even use a database which contains latitude and longitude tied to zipcodes, and using a bit of math and the lat and long of the target, I can even tell you about how far away you are from the target. It requires only your IP address, no other recorded information. You give your IP address to every website you visit, and any website you visit can easily do this.

I don't know about recording searches, that is possible to do. Especially to get "trends" and find appropriate ads to serve you. Google does do a ton of optimization and things to provide you with the most relevant ads, which in turn increases their revenue, and the revenue of their partners.

If you are worried about this, do not make a user name with them that you stayed logged into, and delete your cookies when you close your browser, and get a dynamic ip address from your IPS if you don't have one already. I've never used such things for bad things, but the possibility IS there. But doing these practices is not in itself enough to say someone is doing something bad, it's a matter of what you trust, and if you do not trust google, or any site finding the appropriate ways to protect yourself.


"Google retains all data indefinitely"

This I have a hard time believing. Based solely on technical reasons. I can say through alot of work it could theoretically be done. However, even then you would want to delete any information for which ties to tracking have been lost. By simply deleting your cookies and such I mentioned before, you put a split in the tracking and start a new one. It would be silly to think they hold all that now useless data, and to suggest they know every search you ever made is just plain false.

"Google's toolbar is spyware"

You should always be aware of the possibilities in any software you put on your PC. There is a reason viruses and such are bad, because once on your PC you give them permissions to do things. I have no idea what google does with the toolbar, anything is possible, so I kept the advanced features disabled when I used it.

Also, you do not have to use the google toolbar to search google from the bar. You can change an option in the settings so if you just type a word in the address bar it will automatically search the engine of your choice.

I personally use a firefox addon that allows me to switch between a bunch of engines, and we don't allow the google toolbar on PC's at work, but because we don't want google picking up pages from it's toolbar before we want it to be public.

Can't really comment on who google hires and such too much.


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Fascinating.

What can we do to help the Mafia get control of the last 5% of Internet porn not run by bad guys who know what they're doing, because I'm guessing that's the really crappy stuff I usually download.

Keeef1, what are you doing talking bad about the Family?
Don't expect the usual Christmas ham this year.

Government, Big Corp. and the Mafia are just different names that serve the same purpose.

Each organization just uses a different method of operation. It's just that the Family enjoy their work and have a bit more flair.

In my opinion the Family is the more democratic than the other organizations. It's equal opportunity as long as you play by the rules.

On the other hand, the government is not a group that has shown that it is fair and keeps it's word. They change the rules at their whim. Not good business.

The aqusition of money and power will corrupt any organization in time. At this time in history the Family seems to be the one group that has not changed their rules every time the wind blows.

Our government would not be in the fix it's in now if it were really operated by the Family.

Please, do not think I am all for "offing" your opponent when rules are broken. Rumor has it that all the Aforementioned organizations use that method when necessary. No organization is less or more violent than the other. The MO is just different.