Originally posted by invisiblewoman
thanks for the link thinkerbell ! I'll study on it

youre always welcome... hey, dont forget to update me whats going on there....

OK Pilgrim consider a picture is worth a thousand words. And you are a Pilgrim, we are all Pilgrims on this path of adventure we call the road of life. The Eye, the All seeing All knowing Eye. It is metaphysical, it is esoteric, it is introverted, it is your eye my eye all eyes the eye of the living the eye of the dead the God the eye of the universe the eye of nothing. It is the eye which marks your birth. The eye which marks the hour of your death. it is the eye which marks your transformation with the all that is the all. It is the eye that marks your departure. It is the eye that marks your return. To see is to believe. To not be seen is to be infinately alone. We all want an eye to mark our leaving from a place upon our quest into the the unknown and we certainly want to know that those eyes, that at least one eye, has felt a since of loss by our leaving and is there to mark our return when we come home. Think on this and be enlightened. You either get it or you don't. Blood and Mayhem are the road to elimination of the dregs and undesirables. Profit in terms of money is profit in terms of your work. Not a value of your worth, but a value of your contribution to the Great Work of Society itself. Evil, yes. But what is Evil if it eliminates the greater Evils of life. Is it Pagan to realize Genesis alone uses Elohim (or Lord plural) numerous times in the Creation story and throughout the letters of the overall text and is plural of Eloi (or Lord singular) and that Dieties are symbols of aspects of existance. Even the Pagan Ba'al or Ba'el simply translates into "the Lord"
"A picture is worth a thousand words, but words can never paint a complete picture" -- anonymous, P.M.P. % tt IOI (or maybe I'm an agent provocateur and just made that up.)
Educate yourself. Challenge everything. Agree to agree to disagree. Just think about it while putting it out of your mind all at once. It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a Man to enter the kingdom of heaven (unless, it's the famous Space Needle). Physically, yes, but in the eye of the imagination, no. I can picture it, can't you? You will not find me in mansions of wood or stone, yet, split a tree and you will find me, lift a stone and I am there. Point to a flower, if they laugh they get it, if not, they are lost.
Consider the cause of a way of thinking and living, before, you can properly address the symptoms of the resultant lifestyle. Not doing so has been the seed of many a war and atrocities in the name of conflicting philosophies and dogma's the world over. A Global Society is not to fear- It's whose Society that should give you pause. The Majority (or Mob) rules mentality of government for self and others is fine, but, what if the majority are barbarians? What if the minorities rule and are barbarians, too. When you decide not to allow subversive Societies to rule you already allow for the argument, "then who rules?" You? Me? No One? Who, if not they are prepared to tackle they challenges and necessities of organizing the global masses efficiently?
I never said I support a NWO, but I never said I was against it, either. Learn the Eye to Mark you Pilgrim, to see that it sees all. We're watching you watching us watching you.

Originally posted by Spirit Warrior
I'm very curious as to why there are no artifacts which prove the existance of civilizations 'as advanced as we currently are'. Surely there would be something that would survive like the dinosaur bones which are millions of years old.

So, Book burnings, Artifact aquisitions of all types, hording of "religious (yeah right) and other forms of bans, censorships, censors, monitoring, reappropriation, and covert/ overt collection of goods, products, services, ideas, literature and the like mean nothing to you?
Look at ancient Summerian and egyptian artwork, then look at what has been "revealed" about their firsts of all civilized societies which we still use today: science, technology, math, history, surgery, medicine, law, and on and on. We still use their astronomy and geometry--look at your watch and modified calenders. Now, go back to the artwork on pyramids- they only show the left side of a person, despite all their level of sophistication and degree of detail and structure in their statues and constructions, we are "led" or "made" to believe they had the art skills of children. Where are their real works of art? More importantly, who and what did they opt to portray. I mean the theory is a large mass of thousands "built" the pyramids - even though ancient material which "survives" tell of giants and heroes and legends of immense strength. Hell, remember the Hebrews story of Sampson, the Epic of Gilgamesh, or the Enuma Elish of the Ur of the Chaldeans (the Pagans), that is, ancient Summeria. Why are we to believe we are somehow more advanced than they were, when actually, the reverse may be true. From the Enuma Elish, the very tablets where we get our math and science of today which has barely been altered, modified, or abolished, but simply "added" to (or exposed more of the original than has been previously released). They say this information which follows was not given to us by our ancestors AS IS TRADITION but from they who from heaven to earth came. Now why do we accept the logic of the math and science, which we still use today, but, refute the source? The biggest lie in history is, I believe, that you "could fill a room with all the knowledge of the world" at one time. I doubt it. I bet you could fill warehouses, or, say, massive vaults and chambers and call them lost, destroyed, or "religious" artifacts, property of State or private collectors, or guise the "lost" information as new "discoveries". Did ancients have a battery like, lo and behold, we have today, as discovered, or do we have batteries like the ancients which we only now get to use after ages of an elect few using them first. And maybe the ancients have a more sophisticated Battery, which the elect use today which several generations may have to pass before the common folk may use it, if ever. Or maybe you're right. They got lucky on a few fronts way back when and we happen to take up the same subject and happen to do it better. Either way, we step on the backs of genius, or they step on us. Educate yourself before you blindly assert whats impossible or improbable.

Originally posted by Spirit Warrior
I'm very curious as to why there are no artifacts which prove the existance of civilizations 'as advanced as we currently are'. Surely there would be something that would survive like the dinosaur bones which are millions of years old.

So, Book burnings, Artifact aquisitions of all types, hording of "religious (yeah right) and other forms of bans, censorships, censors, monitoring, reappropriation, and covert/ overt collection of goods, products, services, ideas, literature and the like mean nothing to you?
Look at ancient Summerian and egyptian artwork, then look at what has been "revealed" about their firsts of all civilized societies which we still use today: science, technology, math, history, surgery, medicine, law, and on and on. We still use their astronomy and geometry--look at your watch and modified calenders. Now, go back to the artwork on pyramids- they only show the left side of a person, despite all their level of sophistication and degree of detail and structure in their statues and constructions, we are "led" or "made" to believe they had the art skills of children. Where are their real works of art? More importantly, who and what did they opt to portray. I mean the theory is a large mass of thousands "built" the pyramids - even though ancient material which "survives" tell of giants and heroes and legends of immense strength. Hell, remember the Hebrews story of Sampson, the Epic of Gilgamesh, or the Enuma Elish of the Ur of the Chaldeans (the Pagans), that is, ancient Summeria. Why are we to believe we are somehow more advanced than they were, when actually, the reverse may be true. From the Enuma Elish, the very tablets where we get our math and science of today which has barely been altered, modified, or abolished, but simply "added" to (or exposed more of the original than has been previously released). They say this information which follows was not given to us by our ancestors AS IS TRADITION but from they who from heaven to earth came. Now why do we accept the logic of the math and science, which we still use today, but, refute the source? The biggest lie in history is, I believe, that you "could fill a room with all the knowledge of the world" at one time. I doubt it. I bet you could fill warehouses, or, say, massive vaults and chambers and call them lost, destroyed, or "religious" artifacts, property of State or private collectors, or guise the "lost" information as new "discoveries". Did ancients have a battery like, lo and behold, we have today, as discovered, or do we have batteries like the ancients which we only now get to use after ages of an elect few using them first. And maybe the ancients have a more sophisticated Battery, which the elect use today which several generations may have to pass before the common folk may use it, if ever. Or maybe you're right. They got lucky on a few fronts way back when and we happen to take up the same subject and happen to do it better. Either way, we step on the backs of genius, or they step on us. Educate yourself before you blindly assert whats impossible or improbable.

Sorry post repated itself- comp errors
The point I was getting at is look at oil companies I know first hand from the chief engineer of the Budweiser racing team for thee years, Mr. Nichols of San Diego, CA that he and several engineers developed water based engines and carburators, one of many over the years, which the oil giants bought up the patents and rights the shelved in their vaults while legally obligating those involved against disclosing or building such designs. If they refused to consent to the sales or injunctions, the Feds would simply appropriate them under Nat'l Security interests- imagine the rush for water based vehicles which would crash the oil industry a major economic interest to which many would lose profit from their stocks, jobs, or other ramifications from involvements with these agencies that they, their relatives, and their friends may be benifitting from in their lives and careers, only to be replaced by the new investors, and upstarts from this new type of industry. Thoeries of this sort abound everywhere. But the fact is there is and is actually possible to make water based engines and carborators. You'll never see it, but, it doesn't mean they don't use it. Why is yesterday- no matter how remote- different from today?
Plus, maybe, thousands of people didn't build the pyramids. I mean, not a one of them wrote or drew about the massive exercise anywhere during their downtime. It is the nature of man to express himself creatively. Either, it was massively suppressed or they never wrote or drew about the massive operation they were undertaking. Even if they couldn't write, they could draw. They didn't. Their pics show a few people at work, not an army of people. Seeing is believing. Doubtful an army of people moved stones weighing in excess of tons, layer after layer, defying gravity, increasing the tonnage- even with Mason's Keys to help them. It's more likely as they claim that their God's (aliens?), or rather, use of their God's (aliens?) technologies (or "magic") undertook the work.

Still waiting for that answer. Don't know if I found anything earthshattering there but I thought someone would have found it interesting. Oh well.

Originally posted by infinitus
at different times, thousands of years ago there were human civilizations
on earth that are just as technologically advanced as we are today.
they were the ones who did the incredible things back then like
build the pyramids, carve crystal skulls, form our religious movements,
as well as the many other things that baffle historians in our modern world.
these people were sent through the proverbial colander that is war and
politics and although the majority of these civilizations were wiped out
by their own evils, some continued to live on in the underground,
practicing advanced sciences at the danger of their own lives.
today any member of the ancient order of the illuminati should be
revered at all expenses. any of the members have access to the all
seeing eye which is an extremely advanced hyperspectral imaging device
that allows the user to see anywhere on earth live as if the person was
actually there. there are also atomic write abilities built-in on the system
allowing them to control the matter that they see (hand of God).
they use this technology to manipulate the world and entertain themselves.
the illuminati are so powerful that if they chose to shift the moon a
few degrees to the left they could do so. most of what you see reported as
ufos, ghosts, etc is actually the illuminati. they are planning on an
eventual global enlightenment. the true illuminati are not necessarily
tied down to being synonymous with adam weishaupt's bavarian group or
freemasonry. the true illuminati have used science and technology
to become godlike in the sense of controlling the environment.
essentially what it means to be illuminated is to have such a full
grasp of humanity that it is at it's peak and there is no more to be
learned except for that which is outside this world.
you may have walked right by one of these folks and had no idea.
the underground is everywhere, be careful.

So the illuminati have already perfected the scientific method?